Coach JLo v RTB

[Purple Maverick]

I have started this thread to hear posters throughts on the differences between JLO and Ross.

The biggest thing for me is enabling young players to play well and meaningfully contribute. They are allowed to play their strengths and not be stuck in a non-preferred position.

It’s all well and good to play the youngsters, but they need to play in positions they will excel in.

 

[blue shark]

I have started this thread to hear posters throughts on the differences between JLO and Ross.

The biggest thing for me is enabling young players to play well and meaningfully contribute. They are allowed to play their strengths and not be stuck in a non-preferred position.

It’s all well and good to play the youngsters, but they need to play in positions they will excel in.

Things may have been totally different if we went the Bombers route and added JLo and Carr as assistants.
JLo coach in waiting, who knows?
We still had Ross under contract so whether he stayed or went we still paid him out.
Worsfold may mane a GF, and then get the boot.

 

[Docker82]

The time was right to move Lyon on but I’ll remember his first few years here fondly. He took a bunch of players who, on paper, were no where near the best side in the comp and got us very close. Despite me saying it was the right time to move him on, if the WA Media weren’t a bunch of low life scum they’d realise we improved in 2019 with heaps of injuries. Going after his job just because he treated them with the level of respect they truly deserve was not right and was tearing the club apart from the outside. The club had no choice in the end.

Longmuir is probably a better coach for us right now as we needed a breath of fresh air and a coach that would maximise the types of players we’ve been drafting. It’s not nearly time to compare him with Lyon though. Lyon will always be remembered, by those who judge fairly, as a coach that got middle of the road squads to top four and Grand Finals. Longmuir may be different if he has the chance to build a better list.

 

[Kenny_01]

Can’t we love them both?

Ross has left, he gave everything he had for the club, had to cop the grunt of negativity from the media etc but never let it get to him and shielded the players in particular. He put the club on the map and gave us our most successful era by some margin.

JLo has more of a Freo feel having played his career at the club, and has impressed me so far. I’m reasonably optimistic about his tenure.

Both have their own styles and their own strengths. It’s only natural to be excited about what’s new. So while I am happy with JLo, I hope Ross coaches again and hope that club does really well. In my mind Ross deserves a flag and would be very happy for him if that happened (unless it’s against us).


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[Tbonefreo]

I miss Pav more than anything

 

[meesy]

It's amazing how much Ross was individually critiqued considering the whole league now plays his style of football

 

[mightymouse75]

Ross was the boss. Loved him coming over & doing what he did.
Stuck around 2 years too many but forever grateful to him.

Good thing for jl to do his apprenticeship elsewhere..
Otherwise would be another ross lyon clone.
It was time for something different.

Why can't we love both ?

 

[Nalin]

The difference is:
One is our current coach
The other is long gone

 

[Mesc]

Ross was the coach that got us to a GF ! Somewhere any former coach couldnt get us anywhere near . He was the coach we needed. I believe if we had aquired him 2 years earlier than we did we would be a more successful club.


Longey on the other hand is going to bring great things to our club, he has proven himself at other clubs and has a wealth of knowledge to take us forward. have faith people, Justin is our man.

 

[Bring back Drum]

Ross made the mistake of trying to coach in a manner that wasn’t him. He tried to compete with Hawthorn by being like Hawthorn, but he didn’t have the list. 2016 was meant to be a new attacking style.

He bought in Hawthorn people for the intel, but he had a list that was big bodied & defensive minded, not like the Hawks who spent years getting quality ball users & quick outside players.

He then spent a number of years trying to work out the balance of attack & defence when he should have just kept his style. I think he coached himself into a corner.

In 2019 he was coaching well, but he was never going to win a flag for a number of reasons & the right decision was made. He will always be a cult figure in my eyes, but we’ve got the right coach now.

 

[Mesc]

The difference is:
One is our current coach
The other is long gone

The other is "Longmuir" . How the Fck could you spell that wrong ?

 

[tonygeeks]

Never liked Lyon even when we were winning , I'll argue anyone till I'm blue in the face that wants to tell me he 100% put the interests of the FFC ahead of the interests of R Lyon , no matter whether JLo succeeds or fails I would be shocked if I ever had similar feelings about him


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[Mesc]

Never liked Lyon even when we were winning , I'll argue anyone till I'm blue in the face that wants to tell me he 100% put the interests of the FFC ahead of the interests of R Lyon , no matter whether JLo succeeds or fails I would be shocked if I ever had similar feelings about him


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Did you like him when we almost won a premiership against arguably the best team of the last decade, when we had an average list?

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Big fan of RTB. Big fan of JLo.

 

[tonygeeks]

Did you like him when we almost won a premiership against arguably the best team of the last decade, when we had an average list?

Nope or at Saints

Absolutely certain another coach wouldn't have got just as much or even more out of those years is it ?


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[Mesc]

Nope or at Saints

Absolutely certain another coach wouldn't have got just as much or even more out of those years is it ?


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Jeez. You're a stubborn bugger !

 

[Inveigh Slang]

This thread could turn toxic

 

[tonygeeks]

Jeez. You're a stubborn bugger !

Sometimes...... certain subjects


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[FreoMonocle]

The coach has the spotlight, but it's been a long time since they were god at clubs.

They are but one of several cogs. I can't think of any clubs where for example, recruiting reports to coaches. A coach has a very short term view of a list, a list manager needs to consider the present, but also the next decade.

For the available list in front of them, Ross got the best out of his list and Justin seems to be taking the helm well, of a very young (but uber talented) list - kind of in contrast to Buckley taking a great and experienced list and spudding it up.

Justin has a long way to go yet, but I'm confident that he has the goods. With the list that he has, it is too green to do a lot with (same to be said for Ross in the last few years). But as Logue, Brayshaw, Cerra start hitting 23/24 and a host of uber talented players a year or two younger, then he should blow the league away - if he doesn't he may need to be re-evaluated rather than giving him a free pass like Hird, just because he was a club legend as a player.

 

[dominguez]

The time was right to move Lyon on but I’ll remember his first few years here fondly. He took a bunch of players who, on paper, were no where near the best side in the comp and got us very close.

Definitely. We finished 2013, 2014, 2015 disappointed but the likes of Zach Clarke, Sheridan, Danyle Pearce and Sutcliffe were playing regularly through that period who are very average footballers. Our best 22 were very good but when injuries struck we had little depth so to finish top 4 three years in a row is pretty impressive.

 

[Docker82]

Definitely. We finished 2013, 2014, 2015 disappointed but the likes of Zach Clarke, Sheridan, Danyle Pearce and Sutcliffe were playing regularly through that period who are very average footballers. Our best 22 were very good but when injuries struck we had little depth so to finish top 4 three years in a row is pretty impressive.

Danyle Pearce was not an average footballer in 2013-2015.

I’d include Suban, De Boer, Mayne (outside of 2013), Mzungu (2015 only) ahead of D.Pearce for being average over that period.

Take the period you’re talking about - not how you remember them as players in general. Everyone tends to be most bias towards what they saw most recently. Given the footy De Boer and Mayne play now it’s easy for people to forget they were close to useless for us from 2014 onwards.

 

[dominguez]

Danyle Pearce was not an average footballer in 2013-2015.

I’d include Suban, De Boer, Mayne (outside of 2013), Mzungu (2015 only) ahead of D.Pearce for being average over that period.

Take the period you’re talking about - not how you remember them as players in general. Everyone tends to be most bias towards what they saw most recently. Given the footy De Boer and Mayne play now it’s easy for people to forget they were close to useless for us from 2014 onwards.

I'm biased because Danyle Pearce is one of my least favourite Freo players ever. Always seemed to go missing in big games. I would have played Clanceeeeeeee Pearce over Danyle.

 

[mightymouse75]

Danyle had a big year the year we played in the grandy

 

[arsesmart]

I'll argue anyone till I'm blue in the face that wants to tell me he 100% put the interests of the FFC ahead of the interests of R Lyon

So that'd include Pav then..... ......

 

[G Mus]

I think we would have seen Walters play a lot more FWD and Conca in the mid, better balance imo