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We can either combine the positions and just have Stanton doing the job or we can move Stanton back to being a development coach and promote Power to do the combined job... OR... we can move power into one of the two midfield jobs and put Stanton into the other.
My preference would be to combine both positions, less mixed messages and both the followers group and the midfield group get to practice the same shit, and put Power into the job and move Stanton back into the development role. I suspect that Stanton would be gone come tthe end of the year regardless.
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It conflicts with what others have posted (re: Barker Vs Teague argument and what was said).
1. Sayers was angry after we lost to Collingwood (end of March).
2. He has done his own research, spoken directly to people himself (players, coaches, support staff).
3. Continued doing this in the background over the course of the season. This was ramped up in Sydney.
4. MLo all but begged him not to perform an immediate review upon the announcement that he was going to be the new CFC president.
5. A lot was riding on this extended trip to Sydney. Two highly winnable games against teams that were battling for the lower half of the eight like we were aspiring to.
6. Despite not being thrashed, he felt that we weren't really in either match when it mattered most and that the on field results weren't indicative of a competitive team.
7. With it being almost impossible to make finals (would need to finish 8-2 at absolute worst) he decided that it was time to do the review. Belief is that it is better to do the review now when people can see what is happening live rather than at the end of the season when people's allegiances and perspective can impact upon their view and what they will say. Doing it live means nobody can protect mates, etc.
8. Lloyd isn't wrong when he says Teague will coach in 2022. There is an almost universal appreciation of Teague. He could have easily have prioritized other things going on in his life but has been diligent at the club.
9. What became clear is that Barker was a significant issue. Players have no idea where to (to coin a basketball term) "box out" defensively at stoppages, where they should be positioning themselves, etc. The smarter players have naturally done better (e.g. Walsh) but the gulf shouldn't be as glaring.
10. The sentiment is that Barker has thrown his hands in the air and resorted to scapegoating Teague for his own deficiencies.
11. Barker was advised in no uncertain terms that he was going to be let go at the end of the season. He then offered his resignation. The club accepted it immediately and advised him that because of his decade of service to the club, where he was well liked by his colleagues, other staff members, and the players that they would frame it as a well-loved member of staff (because that is true, he was).
It conflicts with what others have posted (re: Barker Vs Teague argument and what was said).
1. Sayers was angry after we lost to Collingwood (end of March).
2. He has done his own research, spoken directly to people himself (players, coaches, support staff).
3. Continued doing this in the background over the course of the season. This was ramped up in Sydney.
4. MLo all but begged him not to perform an immediate review upon the announcement that he was going to be the new CFC president.
5. A lot was riding on this extended trip to Sydney. Two highly winnable games against teams that were battling for the lower half of the eight like we were aspiring to.
6. Despite not being thrashed, he felt that we weren't really in either match when it mattered most and that the on field results weren't indicative of a competitive team.
7. With it being almost impossible to make finals (would need to finish 8-2 at absolute worst) he decided that it was time to do the review. Belief is that it is better to do the review now when people can see what is happening live rather than at the end of the season when people's allegiances and perspective can impact upon their view and what they will say. Doing it live means nobody can protect mates, etc.
8. Lloyd isn't wrong when he says Teague will coach in 2022. There is an almost universal appreciation of Teague. He could have easily have prioritized other things going on in his life but has been diligent at the club.
9. What became clear is that Barker was a significant issue. Players have no idea where to (to coin a basketball term) "box out" defensively at stoppages, where they should be positioning themselves, etc. The smarter players have naturally done better (e.g. Walsh) but the gulf shouldn't be as glaring.
10. The sentiment is that Barker has thrown his hands in the air and resorted to scapegoating Teague for his own deficiencies.
11. Barker was advised in no uncertain terms that he was going to be let go at the end of the season. He then offered his resignation. The club accepted it immediately and advised him that because of his decade of service to the club, where he was well liked by his colleagues, other staff members, and the players that they would frame it as a well-loved member of staff (because that is true, he was).
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Dependa on what's available in the footy dpt cap and how much they'd be asking for. If the latter fits under the former then yes
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Which nuff?
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Fairy Nuff.
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nuff duff
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never nuff wonderful duff.........
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That's...very detailed.
2 from 2 for Sayers. The club hasn’t been this ruthless in a long time (outside of the head coach position).
Makes me wonder if we’re pushing these decisions through now (rather than at season’s end) to persuade a certain Mr. Cripps in to sticking around for a few more years.
Makes me wonder if we’re pushing these decisions through now (rather than at season’s end) to persuade a certain Mr. Cripps in to sticking around for a few more years.
This has been glaring the last 2 seasons.
Just doesn't make sense that there was no change at the end of last year.
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Clubs in damage control and need to show internal leadership before players walk
If it’s true I commend sayer and hope he doesn’t stop there
If it’s true I commend sayer and hope he doesn’t stop there
The AFL dragged its heels on letting the clubs know where the soft cap would be at, leaving little time for clubs to make decisions re: coaching personnel.
Melbourne, Essendon, Sydney all managed just fine. North sacked all their coaches. There was a soft-cap amnesty on sackings. We didn't make any changes after a very disappointing year.
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Those informal chats would have gone both ways, so it wouldn't be surprising. He is the captain of the CFC after all
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Thought you lot would have guessed who I was by now.
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This is the most logical information I’ve read so far across the forums.
Point 8 Is the standout for me, I hope they stick with him and get the right assistants around him.
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While every coach has a lifespan and JB outlived his, I just don’t see one assistant out as being much of a solution.
We can try all we want, but hard to hold JB responsible for the terrible team selections, the mind blowingly stupid positions of some of the players. If none of the other coaches can’t see playing Ed on a half back flank is stupid, then we have a lot bigger issues than JB.
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We can try all we want, but hard to hold JB responsible for the terrible team selections, the mind blowingly stupid positions of some of the players. If none of the other coaches can’t see playing Ed on a half back flank is stupid, then we have a lot bigger issues than JB.
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Thanks to John for his service and efforts, there's no observable success in his career. Whether it's him or the club who knows.
Let's see if our poor midfield positioning and performance changes.
Who coaches our midfield now?
Let's see if our poor midfield positioning and performance changes.
Who coaches our midfield now?
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who cares it will get better regardless
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He’s starting off with a bang to begin with isn’t he. Gets pissed off back after the Collingwood loss, starts talking to players to get an idea of what they’re thinking, talks to the coaching staff and others in the football department, loss two winnable games and goes boom. Announces an official external review, the next day Barker up and quits and says he’ll finish up at the end of the year. Board nope, do your talking walking, and his gone.
Potential members of the review panel are leaked later in the day, and it’s a good panel, former CEO at the MCC and Carlton, former GM of football at two clubs and a former head of the AFLPA.
It might all be a massive PR stunt to get the members and supporters on his side, but the guy was the CEO at PwC Australia and Pacific. He has a clue or 3.
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