Josh Frydenberg. Out of his depth.

[Opine]

Opine is right. Where do you think all the people who are getting the LNP tax cuts for high income earners live? Those tax cuts aren't temporary like the ones for low income earners either.

The LNP assume low income voters are stupid. They rely on it.

The rich know where their bread is buttered. But tolerating rampant incompetence is very, very hard for them. Many will take the tax cut and vote teal.

The lefty kiddies are always needing something to get angry about. This is just nonsense.
As a prominent ALP poster in another thread has rightly posted: this current government has undertaken one of the largest social payment initiatives in recent history.

This rich v poor crap is so decades ago.

 

[Opine]

You really are a classic Liberal - you add nothing

So what, you’re a classic whiner, you add even less, but I still like you.

 

[Chief]

This rich v poor crap is so decades ago.

Wow

Clueless.

 

[sherb]

The lefty kiddies are always needing something to get angry about. This is just nonsense.
As a prominent ALP poster in another thread has rightly posted: this current government has undertaken one of the largest social payment initiatives in recent history.

This rich v poor crap is so decades ago.

No, it's as relevant as ever.

We're a rich country, poverty should be a rarity. Instead, we have this:

https://antipovertyweek.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Poverty-in-Australia-APW-2019.pdf

And what used to thought of as just a thing for the poor overseas is now a reality here:

Sponsor an Australian Child with The Smith Family

1.2 million Australian children are growing up in poverty, sponsor a child today and help support The Smith Family in creating a better future for disadvantaged kids growing in poverty. Donate now!

www.thesmithfamily.com.au

 

[Opine]

There may be difference of opinion about how to achieve the sort of society the majority of AU’s want. But by and large ALP’s and LNP voters have a similar vision about the sort of Australia they’re aiming towards. Isn’t that the argument many in here are making to purposely avoid their ALP being branded anything but centrist?

Then there’s the left that even the left think are too leftist: but that’s another discussion entirely.

 

[Opine]

Wow

Clueless.

Ya bloody lefty

 

[Opine]

No, it's as relevant as ever.

We're a rich country, poverty should be a rarity. Instead, we have this:

https://antipovertyweek.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Poverty-in-Australia-APW-2019.pdf

And what used to thought of as just a thing for the poor overseas is now a reality here:

Sponsor an Australian Child with The Smith Family

1.2 million Australian children are growing up in poverty, sponsor a child today and help support The Smith Family in creating a better future for disadvantaged kids growing in poverty. Donate now!

www.thesmithfamily.com.au

I think both of the majors understand there needs to be recognition that not everyone starts at the same point in terms of opportunity, appreciation that the challenges faced by those who are disadvantaged need to be accounted for in decision making so as to pursue equality. The question how to best do that, but both of the majors aim to be proportionally responsive in their own way.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I think both of the majors understand there needs to be recognition that not everyone starts at the same point in terms of opportunity, appreciation that the challenges faced by those who are disadvantaged need to be accounted for in decision making so as to pursue equality. The question how to best do that, but both of the majors aim to be proportionally responsive in their own way.

Only one side calls people on welfare "leaners"

 

[Opine]

Only one side calls people on welfare "leaners"

Who did that?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Who did that?

you are kidding???

Welfare flogs being leaners, and tax payers being lifters has been lib vernacular for years

 

[Opine]

you are kidding???

Welfare flogs being leaners, and tax payers being lifters has been lib vernacular for years

I sincerely interpret that as AU being a nation that lifts those who are disadvantaged; lifting as means of assisting. Are you inferring differently? Admittedly the “learners” reference seems unnecessary and insensitive, but I guess it depends on context

 

[Gough]

I sincerely interpret that as AU being a nation that lifts those ho are disadvantaged; lifting as means of assisting. Are you inferring differently? Admittedly the “learners” reference seems unnecessary and insensitive, but I guess it depends on context

Don't play dumb mate, it's unbecoming. The ALP being soft on welfare recipients has been an article of faith for the Coalition for the best part of two generations now.

 

[Opine]

Don't play dumb mate, it's unbecoming. The ALP being soft on welfare recipients has been an article of faith for the Coalition for the best part of two generations now.

Yes fair enough, I recall feeling that way. But, I’m not so sure that distinction continues to exist. If it does it seems subjectively implicit, not something upon which the majors clearly diverge.

 

[LiquidCrow]

The guy who gets it wrong about a fundraiser is doing the national budget tomorrow night. What a time to be alive.

 

[campbell]

Dont feed the troll guys.

 

[Chief]

Exactly. One of my friends lives in one of the most silver spoon electorates in WA. She says Scomo is so on the nose the diehards are jumping ship, to an independent, labor is a bridge too far, just as you said.


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They will do a PHON and vote with the LNP every time. Maybe hold out for some pork.

 

[Pessimistic]

The guy who gets it wrong about a fundraiser is doing the national budget tomorrow night. What a time to be alive.

I’m going to ask the boroondara council for a larger recycling bin for all the crap he’s sending us

 

[carltonchelsea]

I sincerely interpret that as AU being a nation that lifts those who are disadvantaged; lifting as means of assisting. Are you inferring differently? Admittedly the “learners” reference seems unnecessary and insensitive, but I guess it depends on context

“If ya have a go, ya get a go”
There’s only one interpretation and I bet you **** it up.

 

[Opine]

you are kidding???

Welfare flogs being leaners, and tax payers being lifters has been lib vernacular for years

Refer below to an article putting that quote in context. It was clearly aimed at justifying imposition of additional social contribution tax burdens on high income earners.

“From July 1 this year and for just three years, we are asking higher income earners to pay a Temporary Budget Repair Levy that, in effect, increases the top marginal tax rate by two percentage points for people earning more than $180,000 a year...”

“…We are a nation of lifters, not leaners. We are a great nation. We are a great people. By everyone making a contribution now, we will build a bigger, better Australia…”

The article in its entirity is here —-> Joe Hockey: We are a nation of lifters, not leaners

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Refer below to an article putting that quote in context. It was clearly aimed at justifying imposition of additional social contribution tax burdens on high income earners.

“From July 1 this year and for just three years, we are asking higher income earners to pay a Temporary Budget Repair Levy that, in effect, increases the top marginal tax rate by two percentage points for people earning more than $180,000 a year...”

“…We are a nation of lifters, not leaners. We are a great nation. We are a great people. By everyone making a contribution now, we will build a bigger, better Australia…”

The article in its entirity is here —-> Joe Hockey: We are a nation of lifters, not leaners

You are aware the issue is that they are segregating people into lifters and leaners in the first place. Who the **** describes people on welfare as leaners

 

[Opine]

You are aware the issue is that they are segregating people into lifters and leaners in the first place. Who the fu** describes people on welfare as leaners

Yes, as I already wrote a few posts back, that was unnecessary and insensitive.

 

[Opine]

You are aware the issue is that they are segregating people into lifters and leaners in the first place. Who the fu** describes people on welfare as leaners

Over the last 2 or so years, almost an entire nation had to rely on government assistance to help lift them during COVID related stand-downs. That was facilitated quickly and with relatively few obstacles, thanks in no small part to the subject of this thread.

 

[QuietB]

Don't play dumb mate, it's unbecoming. The ALP being soft on welfare recipients has been an article of faith for the Coalition for the best part of two generations now.

Who says Opine is playing?

 

[beema limapep]

I sincerely interpret that as AU being a nation that lifts those who are disadvantaged; lifting as means of assisting. Are you inferring differently? Admittedly the “learners” reference seems unnecessary and insensitive, but I guess it depends on context

Oh my lord. Well, I'm hoping your excuse for that interpretation is that you are too young to remember when it was said and what it meant.

If not, 10/10 for creative thinking!

 

[beema limapep]

Over the last 2 or so years, almost an entire nation had to rely on government assistance to help lift them during COVID related stand-downs. That was facilitated quickly and with relatively few obstacles, thanks in no small part to the subject of this thread.

Similar to the GFC, except:-

• Labor assistance went straight to individuals, which lifted spending, and resulted in the number 1 economy in the world.
• Scomo's assistance went to businesses, which was partly passed on to individuals through maintaining employment, but was also kept by business (rorted) and not required to be paid back, contributing to record debt and in the bottom 25 OECD economies in the world.

Over the past 40 years, it's the Liberals which have been the poorest economic managers (racking up debt) and the highest taxing.



So more money is taken from the majority of workers pockets and at the same time we have gone into more debt.

Where is our money going under the Libs? Because it isn't to the workers and it's certainly not to infrastructure or nation building.