Just Thought You Would Like To Know

[BlueMark]

I am not trolling, but I thought you would be interested in how Laurence Angwin is going at the moment.
Having spoken to him, his family and the club, it would appear he has settled down markedly over the past six months. He is currently completing his 100 hours community work and is in a treatment program that involves counselling amongst other things.
Around the club he has become quite popular and largely assiocates with Jarrod Waite and Karl Norman. He was fantastic with the kids at the family day at the weekend and when presented to the supporters was given a rousing cheer. I often see him sitting down chatting to the older supporters around the club. Having spoken to him a number of times he has has stated that he has been grateful for the support and oppotunity that has been given to him by Carlton. He said one of the best things he has done has been to move back home and that he rarely ventures out and when he does, he has a minder.
Having observed Laurie at close quarters over the past 12 months there is no doubt that he has a lot of excess energy and initially was quite immature. He still has the energy but has matured a great deal, particularly recently.
There no doubt he is a gifted athelete and hopefully he will continue to develop as a person as well.

Cheers

Mark

 

[tribey]

Well isn't that nice.

 

[lozstar]

It's good to hear that he's become err.. more normal. I guess, pity he couldn't have done that a couple of year earlier though!

 

[PrideOf]

Thanks for the update, but in answer to your initial statement

no, I am not interested at all in how he's going.

 

[DaveW]

BlueMark - do you really not think Angwin is capable of creating a facade of normality?

He would hardly have been a raving psycho when the Crows picked him up either.

Anyway, enjoy. His presence at Princes Park epitomises the state the Blues are in. No other club is prepared to touch him with a ten foot pole.

 

[BlueMark]

To be honest Dave, I do not think that Lauries time at Adelaide was handled well by either side. I know Laurie does not excuse his behaviour and he regrets it now. But recievcing a spray from his senior coach on his second day did not help nor did being thrown against the lockers either ( That is common assault). I think that Lauries going to Adelaide was a mistake, he certainly was not mature enough and I know his father regrets not intervening. All in all a regrettable situation for all involved.

He certainly has been under close supervision since his last offences and having his family around him and the support structures in place will help him immensely. Most teengagers whose behaviour is similar to Lauries do grow out of it as they mature, and this is what Laurie appears to be doing. One thing though Laurie accepts that it is to him to prove his critics wrong and the onus is on him not to re-offend.

Carlton is well equipped to work with 'difficult' personalities. Carltons history is littered with past larikins whose behaviour if committed in these times would most likely result in far more serious sanctions than the nod and wink they recievced back then. So I suppose if anyone can work with Laurie Carlton is the place. Agree drafting Laurie was a risk, but the pay off could be huge for us.

Cheers

Mark

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by BlueMark
But recievcing a spray from his senior coach on his second day did not help nor did being thrown against the lockers either ( That is common assault).

They say most, if not all, drug addicts start with alcohol.

Laurie's addiction to stealing from his team-mates lockers started with him being thrown against one it seems. Let that be a lesson to all.

 

[lozstar]

Originally posted by BlueMark
I know Laurie does not excuse his behaviour and he regrets it now. But recievcing a spray from his senior coach on his second day did not help nor did being thrown against the lockers either ( That is common assault). I think that Lauries going to Adelaide was a mistake, he certainly was not mature enough and I know his father regrets not intervening. All in all a regrettable situation for all involved.

Aw, no.. Poor baby got yelled at

If he got thrown against lockers, that's his own fault - he should have been smarter than to go breaking into team mates lockers.

He would have known with going into the draft that there would have been a possibility of going to play for an interstate team - So it's his own fault. Don't make him out to be the victim, because he isn't.

 

[BlueMark]

Going by the responses, things sure have changed in Adelaide since Don Dunstans day. Given what Laurie actually did was on the lower end of anti-social behaviour. You know got ****ed a couple of times, knocked off a couple of trinkets, normal wayward youth stuff, let alone far less than what many current footballers have been found guilty of. I would hate to think what you all would have done to him if he, you know started a brawl in a hotel carpark, that put people into hospitial. Sold some dope in the club shop etc.

No wonder the lad is glad to back in Melb.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by BlueMark
Going by the responses, things sure have changed in Adelaide since Don Dunstans day. Given what Laurie actually did was on the lower end of anti-social behaviour. You know got ****ed a couple of times, knocked off a couple of trinkets, normal wayward youth stuff, let alone far less than what many current footballers have been found guilty of. I would hate to think what you all would have done to him if he, you know started a brawl in a hotel carpark, that put people into hospitial. Sold some dope in the club shop etc.

No wonder the lad is glad to back in Melb.

Get up. He was a sook, a thief and a moron.

Didn't mention the drink driving and rolling his car while he was here did you? What if another car had been coming the other way?

And on top of all that he was a complete waste of the club's highest ever draft pick.

So what do you want? For everyone here to pat him on the back and give him a medal?

 

[Jars458]

I for one am happy he is turning his life around.

The fate of a human being is far more important than lamenting about wasted draft choices.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Jars458
The fate of a human being is far more important...

I totally agree. Let's give thanks the waste of carbon didn't seal the fate of a family of four while he was committing an act "on the lower-end of anti-social behaviour."

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by dyertribe
I totally agree. Let's give thanks the waste of carbon didn't seal the fate of a family of four while he was committing an act "on the lower-end of anti-social behaviour."

My point is that all of that behaviour is hopefully in the past and it is good he is rebuilding his life.

 

[BlueMark]

Never said I condoned his behaviour, what I am trying to point out is that he is working hard to turn his life around and that I hope you would all agree is a good thing.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by BlueMark
Never said I condoned his behaviour, what I am trying to point out is that he is working hard to turn his life around and that I hope you would all agree is a good thing.

I hope you are right that he is turning his life around and that it's not just an extension of his facade for the previous 3 plus years.

He's made many a new start in that time, hasn't he?

While I genuinely hope he does get his act together and become a decent normal person that can add to rather than detracting from society, you just can't expect anyone in Adelaide to like or respect him for thieving from his mates and being an overall low down arse-hole while he was here (both of which he continued in Victoria).

 

[smilingassassin]

why don't you hang the kid?

Gee whiz, I wouldn't want you pious. puritanical ****ers judging me if I ever went astray - which I f...ing well did when I was Angwins age. For what it's worth I saw Laurence play in the game when Carlton got flogged by my team - the WCE - and he showed enough to make me think he has the makings of a very good foootballer.

Give him to the likes of a Mathews or a Worsefold and who knows what he might become. Wasn't Martin Pike banished from the roos for being a bad, bad boy? Three more premiership medals later and he's a f...ing hero and I love watching him kick arse.

If you are reading this Laurie - stay straight anbd stick it up them son

 

[Crow-mosone]

I don't get these Carlton fans. They talk about getting Angwin as a recruiting coup. Not only did we disown him, Hawthorn desperately wanted to give him a 2nd chance, but couldn't bring themselves to do so. He has been given so many 2nd chances, that only Carlton was at a low enough point to risk it.

How the f*** are we expected to believe Angwin is socialising with Karl Norman???? rubbish.

The AFC never said he was a drooling nutter, but rather an intelligent, articulate, calculating, pyschopath. Or a similar tone.

That he has been charming at Carlton in the off season seems to be expected.

It is a pity as he is an abundently talented player, but given the reactions to him by other players - well says it all really.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Re: why don't you hang the kid?

Originally posted by smilingassassin

If you are reading this Laurie - stay straight anbd stick it up them son

like he hasn't been told that before.

Assassin - you steal from your mates do you?

 

[PrideofSA]

They should make a give a **** board and this should headline many other threads from around this place.

 

[napsyd]

Look, the problem a lot of us have is he screwed our club out of a lot more than a few DVD's. Sure he's a kid and there is a lot of pressure on these young lads, but we don't have to eat **** and call it icecream either.

To my mind the fact that he now blames the AFC even in part means that he is a long way off "turning it around". But I do hope he does. No one wants to see a bloke ruin his life.

As far as the football goes, well he will be high up on my most hated player list assuming he makes it.

You wouldn't expect Kangaroos fans to still love Wayne Carey, similarly why should we hope he is successful as a footy player? And remember the Roos were pretty well compensated, whilst we got nothing, lost our highest ever draft pick and get told that his juvenile **** ups are somehow our clubs fault.

Give me a break.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
I don't get these Carlton fans. They talk about getting Angwin as a recruiting coup.

Well i guess he might look like a recruiting coup for most Carlton fans as they didn't have much choice seeing as they were left with cast-offs from other clubs.

As for young Angwin well i hope he does turn his life around & make something worthwhile of him self & if that's as an AFL footballer then so be it.

 

[kirky]

Originally posted by napsyd
To my mind the fact that he now blames the AFC even in part means that he is a long way off "turning it around". But I do hope he does. No one wants to see a bloke ruin his life.

As far as the football goes, well he will be high up on my most hated player list assuming he makes it.

You wouldn't expect Kangaroos fans to still love Wayne Carey, similarly why should we hope he is successful as a footy player? And remember the Roos were pretty well compensated, whilst we got nothing, lost our highest ever draft pick and get told that his juvenile **** ups are somehow our clubs fault.

Give me a break.

Agreed. Its commonly called accountability and responsibility. Neither are characteristics shown in this individual. Stealing from ones mates - ah, now I don't seem to remember doing that in my youth. The blokes true colors will always show thru. Total loser.

 

[tribey]

Keeping the Carlton/Adelaide connection alive for a second - I feel we all need to be reminded of a young bloke who has received more than his fair share of knocks but hasn't resorted to repeatedly breaking the law and blaming others for the hand he was dealt.

Kris Massie take a bow.

 

[lozstar]

When that was first written, I found it hard to believe that it was written by Caroline Wilson.

 

[Paralowiepower]

I never realized Angwin use to be the club mascot
Must of made a killing at all those family days.