Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2013 phantom draft

[doggies ftw]

Really really hope we go with Bontempelli, even as early as 4 (providing Boyd/Aish don't slip which is unlikely) seems like the type our coach would love (he loves versatile players) and he just has that much upside and fits what we need perfectly, would be absolutely rapt with him!

 

[Punchy Demons]

KM,

Is the GC compo pick (currently #19) an end of 1st round or start of 2nd round compo pick?

Thanks in advance

 

[Thurlow2Mackie]

#19 Gold Coast (Activated Compensation) - Dominic Sheed (WA – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 183cm, Weight: 82kg, DOB: 10/03/1995
Recruited from: Subiaco
Style: Simon Black
Player comparison:
Range: 5-25
Profile: For mine the best performed midfielder through the u18 champs and the most complete midfielder in this draft class. Sheed is a high production midfielder with some real class to him. Excellent both inside and outside which is rare for an 18 year old with most either capable at one or the other. He has some real ball winning ability inside the contest but then also a hard running game with his endurance excellent allowing him to also accumulate that outside ball with his running patterns also very good. Sheed is a damaging user of the footy by both hand and foot and has more time to use it than the next player making the correct decisions consistently hitting his targets. To finish off his game he also is excellent when he pushes forward because 1v1 he protects the drop zone like a natural forward and has above average ability overhead with his finishing ability also excellent giving him some potential to rest forward which is a big bonus. The main criticism by some recruiters on Sheed is that he is “one pace” but as a player who rarely gets caught and executes so well under pressure I wouldn’t concern myself with that.

Given this description, why do you have him going at 19? Why have a bunch of people you believe are inferior to him above him, particularly when you think the recruiters criticisms are invalid?

 

[Knightmare]

I have been saying for a while I think he is WCE first selection in the draft, he is everything we need at the moment.
Plus Rohan O'brien has been in constant contact with him and his family, to get him used to the idea he might be heading west.

Bontempelli would be a perfect fit for WCE and your comments about WCE reaching out to him don't surprise me at all. He adds height to that midfield but he's also a guy who can move. In that WCE midfield at the moment I'm not seeing too many guys who can cover the ground so Bontempelli would be in my view not only the correct fit but also the best available. When you get both the correct fit for the team and the best available selection that's when you have found the right player at that selection.

 

[Knightmare]

KM,

Is the GC compo pick (currently #19) an end of 1st round or start of 2nd round compo pick?

Thanks in advance

It's an end of first round pick.

Given this description, why do you have him going at 19? Why have a bunch of people you believe are inferior to him above him, particularly when you think the recruiters criticisms are invalid?

I agree with you. As my power rankings suggest I rate Sheed much higher than this selection. The reason Sheed is expected by many recruiters to slide is because there is a perception that he lacks pace.

Personally I couldn't care less. It's not a deficiency that will hinder his game with his strengths to remain strengths at the next level. Personally I'd take him top 10 without hesitation but not all recruiters agree with me on that one and as such to be representative of the view of recruiters I have Sheed going lower in my phantom draft than I would take him.

 

[Thurlow2Mackie]

I agree with you. As my power rankings suggest I rate Sheed much higher than this selection. The reason Sheed is expected by many recruiters to slide is because there is a perception that he lacks pace.

Personally I couldn't care less. It's not a deficiency that will hinder his game with his strengths to remain strengths at the next level. Personally I'd take him top 10 without hesitation but not all recruiters agree with me on that one and as such to be representative of the view of recruiters I have Sheed going lower in my phantom draft than I would take him.

Fair enough. How do you know how recruiters are rating him?

 

[Knightmare]

Fair enough. How do you know how recruiters are rating him?

Reading widely. Talking to other draft watchers.

Most seem to have Sheed going roughly around picks 15-20 at this point (and that was before injury).

It's a pretty stacked year for midfielders and with so many inside types performing strongly this year Sheed and I'd say the same with Dunstan and Dumont who I also rate just seem to have slipped down the projected draft order more than they in my view should.

 

[smashbox gill]

It's an end of first round pick.



I agree with you. As my power rankings suggest I rate Sheed much higher than this selection. The reason Sheed is expected by many recruiters to slide is because there is a perception that he lacks pace.

Personally I couldn't care less. It's not a deficiency that will hinder his game with his strengths to remain strengths at the next level. Personally I'd take him top 10 without hesitation but not all recruiters agree with me on that one and as such to be representative of the view of recruiters I have Sheed going lower in my phantom draft than I would take him.

Its quite similar to Tom Rockcliff in his draft year. I remember many experts saying he had one of the best footy brains in the draft was was regarded as very slow, and this would not hold up at AFL level. He won numerous awards like best TAC Cup player but was still overlooked in the main draft. Hopefully clubs dont make the same mistake again with sheed by seeing him slip down the order because of it

 

[Rodriguez Mendoza]

Hi Knigntmare,
What can you tell me about Allen Christensen younger brother Aaron? Height? Weight? Game style? Worth bringing to Geelong?

 

[Knightmare]

Hi Knigntmare,
What can you tell me about Allen Christensen younger brother Aaron? Height? Weight? Game style? Worth bringing to Geelong?

Young Aaron is the thin, speedy 3rd tall forward. 190cm 74kg. He's a taller Brad Dick just without that same tackling ability.

A club may look at him as a rookie but there are others who have done more so Geelong probably pass on him.

 

[tenderwarrior]

Hello Knightmare,

Which players from this years draft to you think are most likely to become huge accumulators of possessions, either by winning their own ball or through their ability to read the play and link and run?

 

[eaglespremiers]

Hello Knightmare,

Which players from this years draft to you think are most likely to become huge accumulators of possessions, either by winning their own ball or through their ability to read the play and link and run?

Lewis Taylor would have to be the stand out.
Let KM answer more appropriately though.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

Young Aaron is the thin, speedy 3rd tall forward. 190cm 74kg. He's a taller Brad Dick just without that same tackling ability.

A club may look at him as a rookie but there are others who have done more so Geelong probably pass on him.

You've got the wrong Aaron Christensen. Aaron at Calder is 190. Aaron at Geelong is 174 and a crafty, small forward who can really hurt you but plays in bursts.

 

[Knightmare]

Hello Knightmare,

Which players from this years draft to you think are most likely to become huge accumulators of possessions, either by winning their own ball or through their ability to read the play and link and run?

I'll go with Marcus Bontempelli, Matt Crouch, Dom Sheed and Lewis Taylor as those large scale accumulators. Jack Martin will also be a big time accumulator.

It will depend on who drafts them and what roles they are allowed to play but if they get to play on the ball all should accumulate in a big way, right away.

 

[tenderwarrior]

I'll go with Marcus Bontempelli, Matt Crouch, Dom Sheed and Lewis Taylor as those large scale accumulators. Jack Martin will also be a big time accumulator.

It will depend on who drafts them and what roles they are allowed to play but if they get to play on the ball all should accumulate in a big way, right away.

Bontempelli seems to have it all, I am a bit surprised to see his name there to be honest. It will be intriguing to see where he ends up. The other three are more apparent.

Every year there seems to a couple of high possession winning juniors who end up sliding through late due to perceived deficiencies in their game. Colquhoun last year (lack of winning own ball?) Grigg a few years back (lack of pace?) etc.

It will be interesting to see who it will be this year and why..

Cheers for the response, I enjoy reading your thoughts. Keep it up

 

[Knightmare]

Bontempelli seems to have it all, I am a bit surprised to see his name there to be honest. It will be intriguing to see where he ends up. The other three are more apparent.

Every year there seems to a couple of high possession winning juniors who end up sliding through late due to perceived deficiencies in their game. Colquhoun last year (lack of winning own ball?) Grigg a few years back (lack of pace?) etc.

It will be interesting to see who it will be this year and why..

Cheers for the response, I enjoy reading your thoughts. Keep it up

Bontempelli I certainly wouldn't have had in that class earlier in the season as more of a flanker then but he has well and truely developed into a midfielder this year. His production is increasing at such a rate that I'd say he will become that most productive midfielder in this group, even if it does take a couple of years as it did with Pendlebury to get to that absolutely elite level I think he will all things said and done become that most productive.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Fair few rumours floating around that North have had meetings with Garlett.

Do you see him fitting at North? Personally, I reckon he's exactly what we need, in terms of outside run etc.

Any chance?

 

[Knightmare]

Fair few rumours floating around that North have had meetings with Garlett.

Do you see him fitting at North? Personally, I reckon he's exactly what we need, in terms of outside run etc.

Any chance?

You can never say never.

With Garlett I don't project him as a long term player, but as a short term impact player, sure.

He'll give any team an immediate punch and individually play some damaging footy but long term I don't expect him to change his stripes and I'm anticipating that he will remain a problem guy who won't make those around him better which will be why many will pass on him.

There will again be some teams who look at him. Essendon are the only team I've heard but there are probably another 2-3 teams who will take a long hard look.

Personally I'd probably pass though. As good as the short term benefits will be long term I'm not seeing him as someone you'd want to play with.

 

[Chris25]

Have you met Dayle?

 

[Knightmare]

Have you met Dayle?

No. I just pay attention.

 

[Chris25]

I find it hard to comment on (or write off) someone as a person, without actually talking to that person. Media articles can only get you so far.

 

[Knightmare]

I find it hard to comment on (or write off) someone as a person, without actually talking to that person. Media articles can only get you so far.

I find it dangerous getting to close to any personal situation. I'm not in the business of forming relationships with players. Forming those relationships with players creates bias and clouds judgement. You lose your objectivity when you do that.

The media is a part of it but you talk to numerous other WA scouts and they all have the same views. Add to that the evidence we saw online last year and the evidence is damning.

I don't want to go into the particulars of Garlett's problems (I'm not in the business of ruining a guys draft chances so I won't publish the specifics on a forum). Also some of the relationships he has formed don't leave me optimistic. Best mates with Murray Newman who is just as troubled. Having his own off-field issues. But in short it's not a chance I'd take with the long term harm greater than the good.

As a 1-2 year rental where you're going premiership or bust. Perhaps with a late draft selection. But otherwise not for me.

 

[Chris25]

I'll just stick to what can be objectively analysed from my position, and that's actual performances not hearsay and a 19 year old kid posting photos online. Clubs can bother themselves with interviews and his character. Plenty of players have straightened up in an AFL environment, and I could see a team like North backing themselves in to help him.

 

[deedog2]

Hi KM, just wondering if to think anyone would be interested in Brendan Goss from Old Xavs, seems to be dominating this year with 70 goals us far.

 

[Atavistic]

i've seen all of tippa's past month at vfl level.

His first step is as explosive as cyril rioli. in terms of a bag of tricks, he is that good. fitness and height are an issue, but i'd be elated if we drafted him

I like what I've seen from Tippa lately, too. Has he been this good all year? I'll be surprised if he doesn't get drafted as he has better skills than a lot of AFL players and is a tackling machine.