Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2014 Phantom Draft

[imabowss]

Any thoughts on a 204 cm full forward from South Fremantle cameron loersch? Can take a serious grab

 

[David Spencer]

Some insights to game Eastern v Oakleigh both full backs were outstanding Neilson did a great job on Moore holding him with smart defensive work and once again Beasley was very good on Petracca who really tried hard without good supply - I think information about these two guys will be kept very quiet by some interested parties looking for bigger bodies next year. Surely the Saints need to look closely at one of these two as the third tall?

 

[Chris25]

Just a quick note, anyone with general thoughts on the TAC Cup, can you take them to the specific sub forum? That way everyone can enjoy them.

 

[wa_boy89]

Any thoughts on a 204 cm full forward from South Fremantle cameron loersch? Can take a serious grab

He appears to be enjoying his footy a lot more this year in the South line up. South has a great depth of talls this year and it has shown in their first two games.

 

[imabowss]

He appears to be enjoying his footy a lot more this year in the South line up. South has a great depth of talls this year and it has shown in their first two games.

Agreed, Having a quality ruckman has released him forward and I think he's performing well interesting to see how he goes for the rest of year and if he pushed for the draft

 

[joop]

Some insights to game Eastern v Oakleigh both full backs were outstanding Neilson did a great job on Moore holding him with smart defensive work and once again Beasley was very good on Petracca who really tried hard without good supply - I think information about these two guys will be kept very quiet by some interested parties looking for bigger bodies next year. Surely the Saints need to look closely at one of these two as the third tall?

White, lee, siposs, mark worth, all those guys can play the third tall. We need a monster full forward

 

[smashbox gill]

If i was Carlton and we had 2 picks around 6-8 (Gibbs leaving) Id be picking Goddard and Jack Lever.

Wright and Durdain will be both gone by then. Goddard hopefully can develop into a KPF as he has all the tools, just hope he doesnt turn into another Jack Watts.

Lever while injured this year and at 192 is undersized for a KPD, he is an amazing leader by all reports after having captained Vic Metro as a bottom age player. We need more leaders at the club and think he would be a great get?

Who do you think Carlton will take if we get 2 picks in the top 10? Also who are the KPP who would be available around the 5-10 mark?

 

[bananatigz]

does reece have a basketball background that might explain his excellent movement

Has been playing Vic Basketball last few years and didn't even play footy last year to concentrate on that, I'm glad he's come back though I'm a big wrap for him, if I could lock him in for Richmond's second round pick now I gladly would.

Seen a bit of Langford as well, think he could be quite a good player once he fills out, good skills, excellent overhead mark considering his size and reads the play beautifully.

 

[GT619]

If blues finish low I expect Wright or Goddard would be there targets and young McKenzie son of blues great Warren

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[blueiris]

What are your thoughts on father and son possibilities Tyler Roos and Josh Clayton hear both are Brisbane Lions supporters. If we did look at them where would clubs rank them

 

[Knightmare]

How on earth did Butcher go at pick #8 with an awful ball drop? How was he as a young prospect?

Many thought he should have gone higher as the best key forward in his draft, or thought to be at the time. Kicking was always the issue with John.

 

[Knightmare]

Any thoughts on a 204 cm full forward from South Fremantle cameron loersch? Can take a serious grab

Haven't seen him play live but at that height he's interesting as a key forward and I hope to see more. With further strong performances it's certainly possible that he rises well up the draft order with those super tall key forwards very hard to defender.

Some insights to game Eastern v Oakleigh both full backs were outstanding Neilson did a great job on Moore holding him with smart defensive work and once again Beasley was very good on Petracca who really tried hard without good supply - I think information about these two guys will be kept very quiet by some interested parties looking for bigger bodies next year. Surely the Saints need to look closely at one of these two as the third tall?

Petracca is a big unit but with what I'd assume will be an early pick for the Saints I'd imagine the Saints go key position with that where the value is early and no elite young talls on that list.

If i was Carlton and we had 2 picks around 6-8 (Gibbs leaving) Id be picking Goddard and Jack Lever.

Wright and Durdain will be both gone by then. Goddard hopefully can develop into a KPF as he has all the tools, just hope he doesnt turn into another Jack Watts.

Lever while injured this year and at 192 is undersized for a KPD, he is an amazing leader by all reports after having captained Vic Metro as a bottom age player. We need more leaders at the club and think he would be a great get?

Who do you think Carlton will take if we get 2 picks in the top 10? Also who are the KPP who would be available around the 5-10 mark?

The bigs are always hardest to find and in a year with plenty of them why not?

192cm isn't terrible for a key defender (Lever). That call would just need to be made whether he's a key defender or a 3rd option, I just tend to prefer him as a 3rd option with key forwards getting taller in a hurry and his natural read and intercept game so good down back he could do more damage in a freer role.

Both Lever and Goddard could be strong picks. I'd also recommend Brayshaw for Carlton as another strong bodied midfielder around that range who looks among the more sure things in this draft and someone who can have an impact early.

What are your thoughts on father and son possibilities Tyler Roos and Josh Clayton hear both are Brisbane Lions supporters. If we did look at them where would clubs rank them

Still early but late draft both are chances. With strong seasons may rise up the ratings and could attract some interest from other clubs.

 

[manny100]

Hi KM, in my opinion the Demons are way short of instinctive hard nosed players who play if its life or death out on the field - natural footballers ( football skills > athletic skills) who can really play the game 'in the head' as well as on the field. Reading your notes on the last few drafts I can see they may now have recognised this through Viney, Hogan (plays hard, can accumulate as high half forward and can crash packs), and I note your notes on Tyson say he is more your footballer who accumulates rather than athletic. You also say that Salem is tough, thrives on tackling, goes when its his turn whether being crunched in a pack or head over the ball and can accumulate. In general natural footballers tend to be more composed than the athlete first type - its as if its part of their DNA!! So its easy to see why they dis a deal with GWS. These are the types through hardness and ability set on field standards, ie demand other players go when its their turn. Its the old story - the first person to cough at the movies gives everyone else permission to do so - same on the field - first players not to go when its his turn gives everyone else permission do so. The first player to miss a shot for goal takes the pressure off the others to kick straight, etc. So you need hard nosed players to set standards and deal with those 'softer' players who
In hindsight they should have picked up McRea in 2012!!
With interchange rules being changed etc and athletes with big tanks in vogue there is sure to be a 'knee jerk' in favour of these types with some real natural gems left behind. For example rucks are out of favour as early picks so Grundy was a bargain.
I just hope that the Demons can get a good run of games with Viney, Salem and Hogan this year.
I think was a list management problem with the Demons. I think they had on their requirements list, position, age talent, character etc but forgot to add ' hardnosed', plays the game as if its life or death', takes a hit for the team, composed, etc.
Anyway given the Demons will get an early pick are there any players who will go early fit the really hard nosed type who will influence the team positively???. The last thing the Demons want is a very highly talented softer wall flower type!!
If it sounds like I have just had I big cry - well I just watched the first 15 mins of last Sundays game!!!

 

[Knightmare]

Hi KM, in my opinion the Demons are way short of instinctive hard nosed players who play if its life or death out on the field - natural footballers ( football skills > athletic skills) who can really play the game 'in the head' as well as on the field. Reading your notes on the last few drafts I can see they may now have recognised this through Viney, Hogan (plays hard, can accumulate as high half forward and can crash packs), and I note your notes on Tyson say he is more your footballer who accumulates rather than athletic. You also say that Salem is tough, thrives on tackling, goes when its his turn whether being crunched in a pack or head over the ball and can accumulate. In general natural footballers tend to be more composed than the athlete first type - its as if its part of their DNA!! So its easy to see why they dis a deal with GWS. These are the types through hardness and ability set on field standards, ie demand other players go when its their turn. Its the old story - the first person to cough at the movies gives everyone else permission to do so - same on the field - first players not to go when its his turn gives everyone else permission do so. The first player to miss a shot for goal takes the pressure off the others to kick straight, etc. So you need hard nosed players to set standards and deal with those 'softer' players who
In hindsight they should have picked up McRea in 2012!!
With interchange rules being changed etc and athletes with big tanks in vogue there is sure to be a 'knee jerk' in favour of these types with some real natural gems left behind. For example rucks are out of favour as early picks so Grundy was a bargain.
I just hope that the Demons can get a good run of games with Viney, Salem and Hogan this year.
I think was a list management problem with the Demons. I think they had on their requirements list, position, age talent, character etc but forgot to add ' hardnosed', plays the game as if its life or death', takes a hit for the team, composed, etc.
Anyway given the Demons will get an early pick are there any players who will go early fit the really hard nosed type who will influence the team positively???. The last thing the Demons want is a very highly talented softer wall flower type!!
If it sounds like I have just had I big cry - well I just watched the first 15 mins of last Sundays game!!!

I doubt Salem plays a whole lot this year. Roos doesn't throw rookies in too early and he'll have to do it at VFL level first.

Watch for Angus Brayshaw this year. Best mid in the draft and is that ultimate strong bodied inside ball winner/tackler and has a nice skill set to go with it. Looks like the first picked mid and a beauty this year.

 

[TradeDraft]

I doubt Salem plays a whole lot this year. Roos doesn't throw rookies in too early and he'll have to do it at VFL level first.

Watch for Angus Brayshaw this year. Best mid in the draft and is that ultimate strong bodied inside ball winner/tackler and has a nice skill set to go with it. Looks like the first picked mid and a beauty this year.

Would Dees go Mid or Tall at Pick 1?

 

[Knightmare]

Would Dees go Mid or Tall at Pick 1?

Best available.

If Brayshaw looks like he'll be the next Oliver Wines and then some maybe they go for Brayshaw.

If Wright or McCartin or one of the other talls dominate and Mitch Clark walks at seasons end then probably one of the talls.

Whichever way Melbourne go this offseason they've got options a plenty.

 

[aussierulesrules]

And will probably have two of them!

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Best available.

If Brayshaw looks like he'll be the next Oliver Wines and then some maybe they go for Brayshaw.

If Wright or McCartin or one of the other talls dominate and Mitch Clark walks at seasons end then probably one of the talls.

Whichever way Melbourne go this offseason they've got options a plenty.

Honestly, if we end up with pick 1 it will probably be traded (unless Clark is done).

 

[manny100]

Honestly, if we end up with pick 1 it will probably be traded (unless Clark is done).

I tend to agree, I think GWS will be active again come trade time. Unless things change dramatically we are likely to get pick 1 or 2 plus an end of first round priority pick. GWS will likely want one of the talls who are capable of playing Key back. They may have to trade up to get this depending on player rankings after the champs. Other clubs will also be lining up to trade with GWS as well. GWS have extended contracts of players not getting games. You can bet their contracts are pretty good. If the GWS want to trade any of them the new club will have to match if not better what GWS are paying - smart move by club and GWS.
Whether the Demons are willing to swap first round picks will depend on how badly they need an extra tall come draft time.

 

[Knightmare]

I wouldn't bank on GWS trading into another first round pick this year.

The talls look like the top picks in this draft and GWS more than have their share. If Melbourne finish 18th they're likely to make a move to add Wright/McCartin as they've already got Cameron/Patton/Boyd.

More likely if anything is GWS make a play for Frawley as a free agent and move that pick for some other established player - say Ryan Griffen or perhaps if Carlton loose Gibbs they may attract a package of both first round picks and a Mitch Robinson which may also arouse some interest.

 

[billyboutsis]

Cant see us finishing anywhere other than last. Frawley will def walk and we'll get a priority pick as well so picks 1, 2 and 3 look like a possibilty. Would imagine we'd go wright/brayshaw 1 and 2 (if they are considered the standout kpp and mid) and trade out pick 3 to a team looking to get the 2nd most rated kpp.

You gotta love being a Melb supporter, its round 3 and we're already discussing the next draft

 

[GutsyBug]

Cant see us finishing anywhere other than last. Frawley will def walk and we'll get a priority pick as well so picks 1, 2 and 3 look like a possibilty. Would imagine we'd go wright/brayshaw 1 and 2 (if they are considered the standout kpp and mid) and trade out pick 3 to a team looking to get the 2nd most rated kpp.

You gotta love being a Melb supporter, its round 3 and we're already discussing the next draft

I extremely doubt you'll get a priority pick.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Heard good things about Alex Urban, is there a player comparable to him in the AFL at the moment and do you think someone with his leadership could be a good match with Dunstan for the Saints future?

 

[leggs]

I extremely doubt you'll get a priority pick.

They will get 1 after today.

 

[eastfreo75]

They will get 1 after today.

I agree.