Kurt - I'm commited to Adelaide

[macca23]

The only one I can think of who even comes close would be Paul Salmon. The big fish kicked 63 in 1984 (from 13 games, in just his 2nd year in the VFL) & 65 in 1992 (59 in 1991). During those same years he had 0, 148 & 194 hitouts - with a peak of 549 in 1998, topping 300 every year from 1997-2000.

Players of Tippett's ability just don't come along every day. It's like having the best elements of Franklin & Pittman all rolled into one. In this draft, I wouldn't consider trading him for less than picks 1, 2 AND 3. 2010 remains to be seen, though it's rated considerably better than 2009, even after the GC hoover up a dozen of the best kids before anyone else gets a look in. Probably 1 & 2 might be a place to start negotiations, working upwards from there.

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Paul Salmon is the exact comparison for Tippett.

Salmon was a rarity in that he could be a quality ruckman, a quality forward or a combination of both, and that's what Tippett is. They're as rare as hen's teeth, and why anybody would think that we'd even want to trade such a player is beyond comprehension.

Tippett must be kept if we want to win flags.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Let's not forget he compares pretty well with Jarryd Roughead already.

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=101&pid1=2007006&tid2=108&pid2=2005061

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

What are peoples odds on Tippett resigning. IMO if he hasn't signed by the end of the year its 65/35 he will be going. If he hasn't signed by round 1 90/10 he will be going.

Given his talent, if the AFC are holding off on negotiations as he still has one more year left then they deserve to lose him. The longer this saga goes on the less likely he is to be with us past 2010.

If Tippett did decide to go home and we were offered a top 3 pick I would be doing cartwheels. As long as its not top 3 in this draft.

 

[crowman86]

AFC are not holding off negotations his management are. AFC tried to sign him back up not long after the Essendon game when they did a few other youngsters. His management smartly said they would wait to the end of the year and work it out during the off season.

 

[King Elvis]

What are peoples odds on Tippett resigning. IMO if he hasn't signed by the end of the year its 65/35 he will be going. If he hasn't signed by round 1 90/10 he will be going.

Given his talent, if the AFC are holding off on negotiations as he still has one more year left then they deserve to lose him. The longer this saga goes on the less likely he is to be with us past 2010.

If Tippett did decide to go home and we were offered a top 3 pick I would be doing cartwheels. As long as its not top 3 in this draft.

Compensation picks from the GC can be used in a two-three year window, can't they?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Compensation picks from the GC can be used in a two-three year window, can't they?

yeah you're right. I'm sure vader said you can bank the pick for a couple of years until you want to use it.

 

[Vader]

Compensation picks from the GC can be used in a two-three year window, can't they?

5 years from memory, 3 of which are GC/WS affected anyway. Can't be bothered looking it up again.

 

[cmndstab]

Don't bother searching for it if you don't remember Vader, but do we have to nominate at the start of the year that we're going to use it, or can it be at the end of the year when we've unexpectedly come 15th and want to use an early pick?

Edit: I'm assuming the pick comes after our other pick in that round but if it's in a designated place then I guess my question is kinda moot.

 

[dplggr47]

Vader's memory is spot on! within 5 years

1. 2009 NAB AFL Draft
- Capacity to sign 12 x 17 year-olds born in the January – April window (January 1 to April 30, 1992).
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5. Zoned access
- Zoned access to up to five Queensland players prior to each of 2010, 2011 and 2012 NAB AFL Drafts
- Zoned access to up to three Northern Territory players prior to the 2010 NAB AFL Draft

6. 2010 Post-season, AFL listed player access
Gold Coast to have capacity to pre-list 10 players who had previously nominated for the AFL Draft, or were previously listed with an AFL club.

Gold Coast to have capacity to sign up to 16 uncontracted players

As part of the entry rules for the Gold Coast side, the AFL Commission resolved that any club that lost a player to the expansion side would be eligible for a compensation pick (after the entry of both Gold Coast and the second club to be based in Sydney).

Compensation picks will be tradeable and can be used by clubs at any time within five years. First round compensation picks cannot be used until the end of the first round in the 2010 and 2011 drafts. Clubs will be required to nominate the year in which they plan to use the compensation pick before the first round of the Toyota AFL Premiership Season in that particular year.

The compensatory pick would be assessed around the player’s age (greater weighting for younger players), club contract ranking (greater weighting for club key players), onfield performance (greater weighting for strong club best and fairest performance) and draft position if less than four years experience.

This ranking system will then determine if a club is eligible for a compensatory pick in one of five spots
– first-round pick
- end-of-first-round pick
- second-round pick
- end-of-second-round pick OR
- third-round pick.
Under the model, the round-one, round-two or round-three picks would be taken immediately after the pick the club already has in that round in the draft that year.

link: http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/76855/default.aspx

the Gold Coast list is already up to 16 players:
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=81600

...i'm not sure which category each of the 16 belong to though (from the above)...maybe someone can work it out.
i don't really get the compensatory pick system though...it says the pick is taken immediately after the club's pick for that round...does that mean if the Crows get pick 1 as compensation, and they choose to use it in a particular year (after 2011, because no point in using a first rounder in those years if they're going to end up as second rounders anyway) and say they win the premiership that year, then that pick becomes pick 17? doesn't sound very fair IMO. Or i could just be reading it wrong (my brain gets foggy this late at night).

 

[Crow-mo]

This is a good a thread as any t o post the latest rumour

Now I don't know whether the troll thread provided any impetus .......but Dwayne Russell tonight said rumours from Adelaide were:

Tippett to GC in return for pick 1 in the draft

Now if you ask me I still believe Tippett will definately stay

But that said the story may in fact be that this is an offer put to Adelaide to lure Tippett away

Then again Rumours are just that rumours

why would the GC do that?

if there is no plausible motivation for someone, anyone, to do something then they won't.

obviously dwayne didn't think about that when he made up that rumour, but did you have to buy it?

GC will not be giving up pick 1, for something they can get for free.

 

[Crow-mo]

Really? Scotty Thompson was only a kid who played 40 games, had 4 injury interrupted seasons and really at the time we traded for him everyone thought we payed over the odds. At that time he was never worth pick 14. However we "projected" him to be an elite onballer and now he was turned into one.

just because you never saw thompson play, don't assume no one else did.

he was damned near their best onballer already when they lost him.

 

[Vader]

the Gold Coast list is already up to 16 players:
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=81600

...i'm not sure which category each of the 16 belong to though (from the above)...maybe someone can work it out.

They've recruited players of 3 types so far:

• Zone recruits - players from Qld and NT
• 17yo - They've signed about 6 or 7 (roughly) of their 12 allocated 17yo, with more expected to sign by the end of the year.
• Karmichael Hunt - Signed as a rookie (outside their initial senior list of 48 players), as a player not registered with an AFL affiliated competion for 3 years. This signing required no special draft concessions, though rules have been bent to allow him to sign a 3-year rookie contract.

They have yet to sign any uncontracted players, or trade for any contracted players. They won't be able to do so until the end of 2010.

i don't really get the compensatory pick system though...it says the pick is taken immediately after the club's pick for that round...does that mean if the Crows get pick 1 as compensation, and they choose to use it in a particular year (after 2011, because no point in using a first rounder in those years if they're going to end up as second rounders anyway) and say they win the premiership that year, then that pick becomes pick 17? doesn't sound very fair IMO. Or i could just be reading it wrong (my brain gets foggy this late at night).

The GC is allowed to take 1 uncontracted player, for which the AFL will provide compensation. If they want to take a 2nd player (or a contracted player), then they will have to trade for him - the same as any other club. Trading is the only way we'd be able to get access to their #1 draft selection. If they do trade it to us, then it's ours and we get the first selection in the draft and that's all there is to it.

The AFL's compensation scheme is for the single uncontracted player that the GC is allowed to take from each club. These players aren't being traded away - we're just losing them outright. That's why the AFL feels the need (rightly so) to compensate us. These compensation picks are determined by the value of the player being lost - as determined by the AFL's secret recipe (containing 14 different herbs & spices). They are either 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round, or between 1st & 2nd rounds and between 2nd & 3rd rounds.

If our concession pick is assessed as 1st, 2nd or 3rd round, then it's taken immediately after our existing selection in that round. Bit of a bugger not knowing what that pick will be, given the requirement to nominate our intention to use the pick before the beginning of R1, but that's life. If it's assessed as an end-of-R1 or end-of-R2 pick, then it's taken between the rounds and is (relatively) independent of our ladder position. I say "relatively", as the possibility exists of multiple clubs having selections in the same zone, presumably these will be ordered according to ladder position.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

why would the GC do that?

if there is no plausible motivation for someone, anyone, to do something then they won't.

obviously dwayne didn't think about that when he made up that rumour, but did you have to buy it?
GC will not be giving up pick 1, for something they can get for free.

Hey ...don't shoot the messenger

I just tried to think what circumstances would exist for the rumour to be true .....and I just said that maybe Adelaide wouldn't fight as hard to retain Tippett if the #1 pick was on the table

As it stands now IMO there's a 85% chance of Tippett staying

 

[dplggr47]

thanks for the explanation Vader

 

[CoastBhoy]

They've recruited players of 3 types so far:

• Zone recruits - players from Qld and NT
• 17yo - They've signed about 6 or 7 (roughly) of their 12 allocated 17yo, with more expected to sign by the end of the year.
• Karmichael Hunt - Signed as a rookie (outside their initial senior list of 48 players), as a player not registered with an AFL affiliated competion for 3 years. This signing required no special draft concessions, though rules have been bent to allow him to sign a 3-year rookie contract.

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The list the AFL have stated there is a bit deceiving as a lot of those players have just signed one year deals for for the 2010 VFL side , ive made a list on the GC board who has signed on for the AFL team 2011 , from memory we have 8 of those signed up 2011.

 

[NTRabbit]

Shaun Higgins has signed a new deal with the Bulldogs

Tippett is now the only target left undecided.

 

[Gets!]

Mate I am sure there are about another ten targets at least.

 

[Dujon11]

Shaun Higgins has signed a new deal with the Bulldogs

Tippett is now the only target left undecided.

Tippett would be crazy to sign, one of the most exciting young prospects in the league. Definitely worth waiting it out and getting the best deal for himself.

Adelaide wont be stupid though they will pay him exactly that - what he's worth. If he's money hungry then its GC or bust for him.

 

[WALL-e]

Riedy is optimistic

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/84417/default.aspx

"I haven't sat down with Kurt, his management or his father on that issue, but I'm quietly confident [he'll stay]," Reid said on Tuesday.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Like me, I wonder how many AFC supporters regularly check adelaidenow just for any news on Tippetts contract. Just sign the blo0dy thing kurt so I can move on with my life.

 

[slippery crow]

Tippett would be crazy to sign, one of the most exciting young prospects in the league. Definitely worth waiting it out and getting the best deal for himself.

Adelaide wont be stupid though they will pay him exactly that - what he's worth. If he's money hungry then its GC or bust for him.

not necessarily

signing early will remove the distraction and by weighting the additional pressure that comes with that approach may have negative impact on his footy

the crows know his value and whether a deal gets done in the comming months or in the next 12 months he will get his worth

If it was me I would want to make the decision early and go into next year with a clear head and no distractions