Lance Franklin is inconsistent & has done nothing since 2008 and other messages from Uranus

[Ricmel]

As a point of comparison, Nick Riewoldt kicked 67 goals in 2004 (from more games) and you and I both know he had a 'superb' (certainly better than 'good') year. because they weren't kicking 100 - there's a lot more to the game than that.

Yes, Riewoldt also took 253 marks in 2004. 100 more than Buddy has ever taken. So yes it is about far more than kicking goals.

 

[Rioli magic]

Good post.

Buddy fanboi aka Hyperdonk doesnt quite understand that "Lance" plays FF......N Riewoldt plays CHF EVERY WEEK and its well known which role is considered toughest in the modern game.

Fanboi's logic would have us compare goals kicked Dunstall V Brereton on that basis.

It aint hard but for some.....sheesh.

Lance is a gifted player who goes AWOL more than Riewoldt in terms of sheer consistency (Lance can go AWOL for weeks before having a big game). Riewoldt does not. That is the difference betwen "gifted" players (aka flashy) and consistent champions.

Im sure Lance is a nice guy.

LOL Reiwoldt Fanboi.

 

[Mitchemx]

Yes, Riewoldt also took 253 marks in 2004. 100 more than Buddy has ever taken. So yes it is about far more than kicking goals.

Think the game has changed much since 2004?

 

[Ricmel]

Think the game has changed much since 2004?

LOL...he took 240 in 2008 and 231 in 2009.

So no. Not much.

This is not supposed to be a slag on Buddy. Those numbers represent 2 of the highest totals of all time...but it shows why they are completely different players. Roo is a big marking KPF. Buddy is a mercurial goal kicker.

They should not be compared as their value is completely different.

 

[Off The Couch]

Good post.

Buddy fanboi aka Hyperdonk doesnt quite understand that "Lance" plays FF......N Riewoldt plays CHF EVERY WEEK and its well known which role is considered toughest in the modern game.

Fanboi's logic would have us compare goals kicked Dunstall V Brereton on that basis.

It aint hard but for some.....sheesh.

Obviously is for you - Buddy is not a stay at home FF and hasn't been for a couple of seasons, he covers more ground than most other players at the hawks and for him to be accused of being lazy is laughable. Maybe to satisfy the dips on this site they should monitor him at every game to dispute the bullshit floating around on this thread about his workrate.

Lance is a gifted player who goes AWOL more than Riewoldt in terms of sheer consistency (Lance can go AWOL for weeks before having a big game). Riewoldt does not. That is the difference betwen "gifted" players (aka flashy) and consistent champions.

You have absolutely no idea and to be critical of another poster supposedly not making sense is laughable, yours takes top billing. There is no disputing that Nicky is a good player but like Buddy he too sometimes goes missing (especially in the big games, unlike Buddy), as do most players at some point or another so to label one as gifted and the other as flashy is pathetic and petty - maybe take the blinkers off occasionally and watch him play rather than making baseless false accusations.

 

[dp_ramas]

It's interesting how the forward lines are perceived. Everyone thinks that because Buddy and Roughead kick more goals than SJ and Moons, that they're the better forwards, but the goals contributed (goals kicked plus goal assists) stat tells a different story.

Since 2007, SJ has kicked 205 goals and assisted in 99, while Mooney has kicked 201 and assisted 108. Combined, they've kicked 406 goals and assisted in 207, for a combined total of contribution in 613 Geelong goals.

Compare that to Franklin, who has kicked 317 and assisted in 45, and Roughead had kicked 219 and assisted in 38. Collectively, that's 536 goals kicked and 87 assisted, or a contribution to 619 Hawthorn goals.

Just because Geelong have only had a handful of players to kick a bag of 6 goals or more, it doesn't mean the forward line burnt most of their chances just because we don't have someone listed as kicking a bag in the paper on Monday morning. After all, the night we kicked 35 goals against Richmond in 2007, the leading goalkickers for Geelong only had 4 goals beside their name, while in 1993 when Ablett kicked 14 goals against Essendon, the whole side kicked 19 in total. Which was the more effective forward line?

Good try with the goals and goal assists but how many of those goal assists that Mooney and SJ had were to each other.

You can't just add up the goals and goal assists of both players and say the total goals to Geelong is 613.

 

[GordonGecko]

It's already been touched on by another poster.

The difference between his brilliant best and worst is too large.

Gee these hawks posters are soft.

 

[Off The Couch]

It's already been touched on by another poster.

The difference between his brilliant best and worst is too large.

Gee these hawks posters are soft.

Know where your coming from as the same has been said in relation to docker supporters and Pavlich. No doubt it occurs amongs every supporter group so no point in throwing your labels about.

 

[David the Cat]

Its a pity that this thread has turned into a " my dick is bigger than yours " effort.....

Franklin is a brilliant player....Riewoldt is a brilliant player...both wonderful players on their day. None of the arguments here change that, or really put one over the other.

Bring on the footy please.....

 

[Hawkas1988]

Its a pity that this thread has turned into a " my dick is bigger than yours " effort.....

Franklin is a brilliant player....Riewoldt is a brilliant player...both wonderful players on their day. None of the arguments here change that, or really put one over the other.

Bring on the footy please.....

Well Said mate!!

They are both superstars, they both work extremely hard and let's just be happy to be able to watch these players play the game.

I get annoyed at some fellow hawks supporters who say Riewoldt hasn't had a great season before comparing stats, his marks up the ground and assists are extremely important to St Kilda as his goals are too, I also get annoyed at other supporter bases who say Franklin is inconsistent, lazy and hasn't had a great season. I get to watch him every week and amazes me how hard he works and runs.

To be honest, the majority of posters haven't got fair opinions on players from other clubs because they don't watch those players every single week.

Let's just bring on the footy and enjoy the superstars we have in the game, which includes others like Goddard, Gaz, Swanny, Pendlebury, Hodge, Cooney, Judd, Selwood and so on!

 

[David the Cat]

Well Said mate!!

They are both superstars, they both work extremely hard and let's just be happy to be able to watch these players play the game.

I get annoyed at some fellow hawks supporters who say Riewoldt hasn't had a great season before comparing stats, his marks up the ground and assists are extremely important to St Kilda as his goals are too, I also get annoyed at other supporter bases who say Franklin is inconsistent, lazy and hasn't had a great season. I get to watch him every week and amazes me how hard he works and runs.

To be honest, the majority of posters haven't got fair opinions on players from other clubs because they don't watch those players every single week.

Let's just bring on the footy and enjoy the superstars we have in the game, which includes others like Goddard, Gaz, Swanny, Pendlebury, Hodge, Cooney, Judd, Selwood and so on!

Yea...but Varcoe is better than Rioli

I'll be keeping an eye out for your posts in future.

 

[obscura]

whats one thing you can never win? a bigfooty argument

 

[Wish Wellingtons]

The OP was really the first i had heard of the "buddy is inconsistent" talk.

Great player, the Cristiano Ronaldo of the AFL.

 

[doppleganger]

The fact of the matter is, Franklin was not playing full forward all year (despite kicking the most goals per game). He spent most of his time as a roaming CHF with stints on the wing and even bobbing up in the back half (and was named AA CHF - surely a clue). As a point of comparison, Nick Riewoldt kicked 67 goals in 2004 (from more games) and you and I both know he had a 'superb' (certainly better than 'good') year.

If he was playing CHF why wasn't he taking marks??

Averaging 5 marks per game is a poor return from your CHF.

It's like saying Carey, Riewoldt, Treadrea, Pavlich, etc did not have great years (when they were kicking 60-70 goals) because they weren't kicking 100 - there's a lot more to the game than that.

Carey would average 8 marks per game
Tredders averaged 9 marks per game at his peak
N.Riewoldt averaged 10 marks per game at his peak
J.Brown averaged 9 marks per game at his peak
Pavlich averaged 9 marks per game at his peak

They were playing CHF, being a target up on the wing, taking 200+ marks per game and also kicking 60+ goals. That is what elite CHFs do.

 

[Rioli magic]

If he was playing CHF why wasn't he taking marks??

Averaging 5 marks per game is a poor return from your CHF.



Carey would average 8 marks per game
Tredders averaged 9 marks per game at his peak
N.Riewoldt averaged 10 marks per game at his peak
J.Brown averaged 9 marks per game at his peak
Pavlich averaged 9 marks per game at his peak

They were playing CHF, being a target up on the wing, taking 200+ marks per game and also kicking 60+ goals. That is what elite CHFs do.

Franklin beats his man, kicks bags of goals and wins games for his team, that is what elite CHF's do. I don't think Cloke is a better CHF than Franklin because he is a better mark. Every player has weaknesses, be thankful Franklin doesn't have Stewie Lowe hands.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Scares the shit out of me everytime they play Geelong and the ball goes near him. Like opposition fans of particular clubs when Ablett Snr was going around.

As a key forward and out of the ones running around the league now he'd be my first picked just ahead of a fit Brown then Pavlich and then trailing back to Riewoldt.

To me Franklin has that X factor and Brown just has presence.

 

[SydneyMalakellis]

I hate Hawthorn as much as every other Cat fan, but Buddy Franklin is definitely the player I most fear coming up against.

He can win a game in five minutes. With sheer brilliance. Stuff that you've never seen before. If Buddy is on, it's game over. I don't think you can say that for any other player...

 

[ant555]

Anyone who has ever turned up and seen how far and wide Buddy works in a game would never question him. Not only does he do fantastic individual stuff he works harder for the team than most players going around.

 

[David the Cat]

Scares the shit out of me everytime they play Geelong and the ball goes near him. Like opposition fans of particular clubs when Ablett Snr was going around.

As a key forward and out of the ones running around the league now he'd be my first picked just ahead of a fit Brown then Pavlich and then trailing back to Riewoldt.

To me Franklin has that X factor and Brown just has presence.

Add courage to that....one of Brown's outstanding traits.

 

[jaitachi]

I think it just goes to show how amazing buddy is to kick 70-100 goals a game without being even a decent mark... its saying doenst have the luxury of taking a mark and going back to take a shot, he has to kick a goal while the ball is still in dispute . amazing haha

also unless buddy kicks 8 goals or kicks 100 goals a season then hes underachieved. I also believe that as he has such high lofty standards.. but im sure once the hawthorn engine room of rioli hodge and burgoyne start firing up (hopefully with bailey and hale feeding them the ball), cant wait for all the deliveries coming down to franklin
Imagine them kicking to franklin around 10 times a quarter, im sure hed get a bag of goals from taht kind of delivery (silky smooth kickers rioli/hodge/burgoyne - even lewis and mitchell aint a bad kick either)

so buddy to kick 10 goals this weekend and signal his intentions of being the most dominant player and go for the tonne baby! he may say individual awards dont mean anything but kicking 100 goals and winnin the coleman pretty much would set your team up to be a top 4 team and scariest team out there if hes in that kidn of form

 

[SAINTACLAUSE]

with all the zoning and pressing going on its gona become very important for kpf to take strong contested marks something the otherwise brilliant buddy struggles with a bit

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

with all the zoning and pressing going on its gona become very important for kpf to take strong contested marks something the otherwise brilliant buddy struggles with a bit

Doesn't matter how many contested marks you take, it's where you take them. Riewoldt can take as many as he wants on the wing or high half forward, who cares?

Marking is a skill that can be improved over time, footy nous and goal smarts come naturally.

 

[Hawkas1988]

Yea...but Varcoe is better than Rioli

I'll be keeping an eye out for your posts in future.

Haha, I actually really rate Varcoe, my best mate is a cats supporter and he always says he is just a good goalsneak, no more tricks and doesn't rate him that highly, I keep telling him he is fast becoming one of your most important players, the kid can play!

Rioli is a good player, not a great player like a lot of hawks people suggest, he has the potential to be definitely, but I don't wanna overrate him like the media and hawks supporters. He does some amazing things, but he has to do them more often, until then he is just a good player, I hope he reaches his full potential because he is exciting to watch, so is Varcoe, teams need those sort of players in their sides.

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Good post.

Buddy fanboi aka Hyperdonk doesnt quite understand that "Lance" plays FF......N Riewoldt plays CHF EVERY WEEK and its well known which role is considered toughest in the modern game.

Fanboi's logic would have us compare goals kicked Dunstall V Brereton on that basis.

It aint hard but for some.....sheesh.

Lance is a gifted player who goes AWOL more than Riewoldt in terms of sheer consistency (Lance can go AWOL for weeks before having a big game). Riewoldt does not. That is the difference betwen "gifted" players (aka flashy) and consistent champions.

Im sure Lance is a nice guy.

You probably watch Riewoldt most weeks because you are spot on, he is a consistent, very hard working champion of the game and sits comfortably in the top 10.
You clearly do not watch Buddy every game (or are a terrible troll) as almost everything you have said of Buddy is incorrect. I recommend you watch more football rather than reading the goalkickers lists at the end of the week or rehashing Bigfooty opinion (having said that, according to this thread, general bigfooty consensus is far more accurate that your opinion also) .

 

[Guardian Hawk]

Yes, Riewoldt also took 253 marks in 2004. 100 more than Buddy has ever taken. So yes it is about far more than kicking goals.

and Buddy laid four times as many tackles per game as Riewoldt, but that is NOT the point...as you have said, and I have agreed, Buddy and Riewoldt are both different, and fantastic, players.

The point was, as Riewoldt's 2004 MVP illustrates, there is more to having a great season than kicking 100 goals, especially as a roaming CHF. For that to be your sole criteria (and then compare him to a Lockett or Dunstall) represents either (a) ignorance or (b) bias