Lets not get over the top

[Punchy Bassett]

OK I loved that win as much as the next Crows fan and the gameplan was so refreshing compared to what we have seen lately. The kids played well, Macca turned up to play etc etc.

BUT BUT BUT let us not forget people it was ONE win let us not get overly hyped up and see what happens next Saturday. A good performance there then we might start to be able to believe

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Punchy Bassett
OK I loved that win as much as the next Crows fan and the gameplan was so refreshing compared to what we have seen lately. The kids played well, Macca turned up to play etc etc.

BUT BUT BUT let us not forget people it was ONE win let us not get overly hyped up and see what happens next Saturday. A good performance there then we might start to be able to believe

I think we all accept that this game was a reaction to being released from the restrictions of Gary Ayres game plan.

It was just bloody good to see though after some of the crap dished up this year, so there's no reason why we shouldn't all enjoy it.

But fair enough, the genuine hard work starts next week.

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Hey don't get me wrong I loved every minute of that but we all know that people will get WAY OTT about this (KG for one ) just trying to keep a lid on it all and if it is this good in eight weeks time I think we all know who our new coach will be

 

[DaveW]

KG Cunningham doesn't post here.

I think everyone's been pretty rational about the win so far.

I'm counting down the days for next weekend's match though.

 

[Cove Cobra]

Originally posted by Punchy Bassett
OK I loved that win as much as the next Crows fan and the gameplan was so refreshing compared to what we have seen lately. The kids played well, Macca turned up to play etc etc.

BUT BUT BUT let us not forget people it was ONE win let us not get overly hyped up and see what happens next Saturday. A good performance there then we might start to be able to believe

Yes, definitely agreed. The media won't though. Still bring in Wallace.

Heard Cornsey after the match on 5AA. The man is spot on in his comments and we should seriously think about getting him to look after the kids.

What do you guys think?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by rainmage

Heard Cornsey after the match on 5AA. The man is spot on in his comments and we should seriously think about getting him to look after the kids.

What was the essence of Cornes comments for us interstaters?

 

[macca23]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
What was the essence of Cornes comments for us interstaters?

Basically that he believes the club should appoint the best man out there for the job, and in his opinion that man is Terry Wallace.

Contrary to some of the opinions expressed on this board, he believes that Wallace has the appropriate experience at AFL level and is the right man to take this young squad and develop it to its potential.

I think there's quite a few of us who agree with Cornesy on this one.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by macca23
Basically that he believes the club should appoint the best man out there for the job, and in his opinion that man is Terry Wallace.

Contrary to some of the opinions expressed on this board, he believes that Wallace has the appropriate experience at AFL level and is the right man to take this young squad and develop it to its potential.

I think there's quite a few of us who agree with Cornesy on this one.

Yes although our job to convince the non-believers is a little more difficult after today.
But it is one match and there's 8 to go to form a solid opinion.

Wouldn't it be terrific if Wallace and Craig could work together?
I think their coaching philosophies are not too dissimilar, wheras I think Ayres and Craig had very different coaching philosophies.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by macca23
Basically that he believes the club should appoint the best man out there for the job, and in his opinion that man is Terry Wallace.

Contrary to some of the opinions expressed on this board, he believes that Wallace has the appropriate experience at AFL level and is the right man to take this young squad and develop it to its potential.

I think there's quite a few of us who agree with Cornesy on this one.

Yeah well he also strongly believed that we should extent Gary Ayres' contract for another 2 years

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Yeah well he also strongly believed that we should extent Gary Ayres' contract for another 2 years

Not sure today was the day to make the statement about appointing Wallace.
I'm guessing the 5AA talkback will be looded with calls on the subject.

Hope it doesn't become a popularity contest

 

[macca23]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Yeah well he also strongly believed that we should extent Gary Ayres' contract for another 2 years

Yes, but that was based on irrational emotion, because he has been a sacked coach, and knows the pain of being in that position.

Didn't last long though!!

He carried on like a pork chop about it for a day or two, but he got over it very quickly didn't he.

When he talks about the future coach, he's back to being his normal logical self, because unlike the sacking, that doesn't bring back his personal pain of years ago.

 

[macca23]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Not sure today was the day to make the statement about appointing Wallace.
I'm guessing the 5AA talkback will be looded with calls on the subject.

Hope it doesn't become a popularity contest

It will be if people keep praising Craig for banning leggings, while criticizing Wallace's coaching record, ignoring his positive achievements with a B grade squad.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Not sure today was the day to make the statement about appointing Wallace.
I'm guessing the 5AA talkback will be looded with calls on the subject.

Hope it doesn't become a popularity contest

As I said earlier I think that in general there has been a great deal of support for Craig. I am guessing that this week he will be labed the messiah and if we lose against Sydney they will be calling for his head

However, as I have said million times before, personally, I am willing to give him a chance because as you pointed out in the other post, there is a striking similarlity between Craig's and Wallace's strategies and there is also a big difference between Ayres' and Craig's beliefs.

I don't think its rational to say anything either way after 1 game. Craig has another 8 weeks to prove himself and contrary to popular belief I think its enough time to tell us if Craig can be a senior coach. Don't forget people in AFC know what Craig is all about and whether or not he has the ideas and beliefs that lead to success. The only thing they need to find out is whether or not he is capable of being as good with greater responsibility. We as supporters have an opinion but none of us have an informed opinion as we don't know what Craig is like behind closed doors.

I just want to ask if that was the game plan Craig had at Norwood because if it is, it sure is the right one to win you a premiership.

 

[macca23]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18

I just want to ask if that was the game plan Craig had at Norwood because if it is, it sure is the right one to win you a premiership.

No it wasn't. Norwood were the master of the backward handball, the ring a ring a rosy handball, the short chip etc.

Simply put - overuse the ball by a factor of about 3.

Worked against the lesser sides - fell in a screaming heap against the better ones.

Norwood supporters were even more pleased to see the back of Craig than we were of Ayres.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
As I said earlier I think that in general there has been a great deal of support for Craig. I am guessing that this week he will be labed the messiah and if we lose against Sydney they will be calling for his head

However, as I have said million times before, personally, I am willing to give him a chance because as you pointed out in the other post, there is a striking similarlity between Craig's and Wallace's strategies and there is also a big difference between Ayres' and Craig's beliefs.

I don't think its rational to say anything either way after 1 game. Craig has another 8 weeks to prove himself and contrary to popular belief I think its enough time to tell us if Craig can be a senior coach. Don't forget people in AFC know what Craig is all about and whether or not he has the ideas and beliefs that lead to success. The only thing they need to find out is whether or not he is capable of being as good with greater responsibility. We as supporters have an opinion but none of us have an informed opinion as we don't know what Craig is like behind closed doors.

I just want to ask if that was the game plan Craig had at Norwood because if it is, it sure is the right one to win you a premiership.

Good comments Stiffy
To play that gamestyle is very dependant on having a high skill level.
Given his time out of coaching I'm sure he's refined his ideas over the last 9 years. Particularly working closely with Blight and Ayres.

I haven't said he's a bad coach, or a bad option, I just think Wallace has a better background, more experience, and is still the better option.
But I'm open minded.

Still think a partnership between wallace and Craig would be very good. Particularly with Craig having the experience of being the head coach.

 

[Jerome]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I just want to ask if that was the game plan Craig had at Norwood because if it is, it sure is the right one to win you a premiership.

Not a Norwod man so I cant really recal exactly what he did at Norwood.

However, I can tell you that I was not convinced on today's gameplan. It still needs to improve. We won't win a flag playing like that.

The only real change to the gameplan today, was that instead of chipping and criss crossing the ball across half back, we handballed and ran. In fact we handballed a lot.

We certainly moved the ball quicker and eliminated some of the stop/start rubbish at HB we were producing under Gaz. This was a nice change.

The problem is - We still go far too wide, our forwards lead out too wide and we waste the ball far too often. Even if we do get it in the middle, we run out wide to the flank - saw McLeod do it several times today.

More often than not, we struggle to hit a bloke on the chest 30 m out, straight in front of goal.

We need to be far more direct or we will keep getting beaten.

Next week, Sydney.

Last year Sydney frustrated us by having their defenders run out to the wings/flanks where a Crow player was waiting and punching the ball away. They knew our style, and just about beat us at it.

If I see SFC do the same thing again, I will not be impressed with the AFC coaching dept.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Jerome

However, I can tell you that I was not convinced on today's gameplan. It still needs to improve. We won't win a flag playing like that.
Must admit that was my initial impression as well until I watched the replay.
Seemed to be a lot of free men, unaccountable football - but it was entertaining stuff though.
The only real change to the gameplan today, was that instead of chipping and criss crossing the ball across half back, we handballed and ran. In fact we handballed a lot.
What I liked was at stoppages we had a series of handballs to clear the congested area, to enable a balanced delivery to the next Crows player.
Previously it was get boot to ball and scramble it forward.

The problem is - We still go far too wide, our forwards lead out too wide and we waste the ball far too often. Even if we do get it in the middle, we run out wide to the flank - saw McLeod do it several times today.
Have to disagree here. Thought we were the most direct we have been all season. We will continue have our forwrd delivery influenced by the opposition, and you cannot afford to become predictable.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Jerome
1. However, I can tell you that I was not convinced on today's gameplan. It still needs to improve. We won't win a flag playing like that.

2. The only real change to the gameplan today, was that instead of chipping and criss crossing the ball across half back, we handballed and ran. In fact we handballed a lot.

3. We certainly moved the ball quicker and eliminated some of the stop/start rubbish at HB we were producing under Gaz. This was a nice change.

4. The problem is - We still go far too wide, our forwards lead out too wide and we waste the ball far too often. Even if we do get it in the middle, we run out wide to the flank - saw McLeod do it several times today.

5. More often than not, we struggle to hit a bloke on the chest 30 m out, straight in front of goal.

6. We need to be far more direct or we will keep getting beaten.

1. Jerome, you cannot completely overhaul a game plan midseason. Craig said last thing he wants is a bunch of confused players so he was always going to tweak the current game plan to the best of his ability while not confusing the players. You seriously couldn't expect a complete change in that shot period.

2. We handballed to clear the congested area and find an open man who can deliver the ball by foot to a team mate. I am happy for us to do that rather than kick it in hope that it hits a team mate.

3. And that makes you win more games than lose.

4. Old habits die hard. Of all our our shots at goal only 4 were from difficult positions (greater than 45 degree angle)

5. Did you hoonestly think that our skills will improve dramatically over the space of 2 weeks?????? You need a whole pre-season to hone the skills. It won't happen in a fortnight.

6. We were pretty direct. Unless you want us to go down the guts 100% of the time even when its not the right option then I don't know how much straighter can we get

 

[Nige_Bix]

I think the most important aspect of a game plan is not to make things too complicated - stick to the basics and team rules, back yourself, enjoy what you are doing, and, if you are good enough and play better than the other team you will win.

 

[MaccasNeighbour]

As far as I'm concerned Graham Cornes was just being a big wet blanket after the game yesterday. The players know they can't get carried with the win, the coach knows he can't get carried away with the win.

BUT...we the fans can get as carried away as we bloody well like. Just let us enjoy our best win in a very tough season. Only an idiot would think every problem of the AFC is solved after one game, let's just enjoy the ones we do win as they have been few and far between.

He didn't just mention it, he kept going on and on about....I ended up changing over to MMM on the way home cause Cornsey was obvioulsy trying to ruin my very good mood.

 

[noddy]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18

I just want to ask if that was the game plan Craig had at Norwood because if it is, it sure is the right one to win you a premiership.

Would definitely get us into the finals & it sure is great to watch but not sure playing that style without a plan b will win us too many finals let alone a grand final though.

Next weeks game in Sydney will answer some of those ?? but like you Stiffy i am prepared to give Craigy a chance to show what he can offer the AFC in the next couple of months.

On G Cornes well he still has an axe to grind not only in relation to N Craig for the lack of respect & cooperation to him & to any surplus players going back to Norwood when Craig was coach but also to J Reid for much the same reason as Reidy was somewhat a critic of Cornsy when he was coaching the Crows.

 

[PrideOf]

Originally posted by DaveW
KG Cunningham doesn't post here.

I-i-i-i-i-t-t-t-t-t would b-b-b-b-e-e-e-e-e easy to s-s-s-e-e-e-e it if he d-d-d-d-d-d-i-i-i-d