Analysis Lin Jong 2017

[Dry Rot]

I understand Dunkley has a strained groin

 

[BRWB]

I understand Dunkley has a strained groin

As you would.

 

[perro_loco]

Hope jong has a ripper game and kicks a couple of goals. Go dogs.

Me too mate. One thing I love about Jong is that he may not be a polished player, but *&^% is the guy a tough nut and he is improving all the time in a consistent way. barring injuries he will have a great season imo.

 

[Libba39]

I understand Dunkley has a strained groin

Definitely a repetitive strain injury...

 

[bresker]

Hoping that our rejigged forward line helps Jongy out. Maybe he can burst out of the packs and hit a target rather than shit his breeks with the old 1m sideways handball. Just kick it in the general direction of Stringer and Stewie she'll be apples

 

[BRWB]

Hahaha resting players in Round 1? If you need a conspiracy theory to support your view it probably tells you something. They played JLT and are named emergencies, they're fit.

C'mon mate just accept the MC sees Jong differently to you.

Mate I rate Jong at about 30 on our list. Based on last year's B and F the MC rated him somewhere between 27 and 32.

Sure he has been picked for Rd 1. Maybe something happened in the off season additional to departures to change their assessment of where he fits to put him in the first 22. Maybe there are attitude readjustments happening with a few players. If I'm an AFL mid and see Lin Jong In, and me Out...well that would trouble me.

If Smith is fit, he should be ashamed. As fit and mentally on, I'd have him in the first few picked. Almost single handedly turned two finals our way last year. The only final Jong is turning, is not our way IMO. I hope Smith gets the message. I hope Wallis and Dickson get back from injury soon. As on proven ability, all three should play ahead of Jong IMO.

I hope Dunkley, Williams and Webb get a wriggle on as their ceilings are cathedral like when compared to Jong's flat.

Obviously hope to see mostly good Lin tonight.

Bad Lin could nearly cost us the game.

 

[Golden_6]

Mate I rate Jong at about 30 on our list. Based on last year's B and F the MC rated him somewhere between 27 and 32.

Sure he has been picked for Rd 1. Maybe something happened in the off season additional to departures to change their assessment of where he fits to put him in the first 22. Maybe there are attitude readjustments happening with a few players. If I'm an AFL mid and see Lin Jong In, and me Out...well that would trouble me.

If Smith is fit, he should be ashamed. As fit and mentally on, I'd have him in the first few picked. Almost single handedly turned two finals our way last year. The only final Jong is turning, is not our way IMO. I hope Smith gets the message. I hope Wallis and Dickson get back from injury soon. As on proven ability, all three should play ahead of Jong IMO.

I hope Dunkley, Williams and Webb get a wriggle on as their ceilings are cathedral like when compared to Jong's flat.

Obviously hope to see mostly good Lin tonight.

Bad Lin could nearly cost us the game.

This is genuinely getting ridiculous. Jong has been picked in the seniors every single week when he's been 100% fit. The club clearly rate Jong much higher than you do. You seem to have a short memory as I can recall Jong being one of our best players in the Adelaide elimination final and starting off terrific last year as well.

Strange comment about those other players ceiling's when compared to Jong. They all have great potential but Jong has an enormous ceiling that he could get too.

 

[BRWB]

This is genuinely getting ridiculous. Jong has been picked in the seniors every single week when he's been 100% fit. The club clearly rate Jong much higher than you do. You seem to have a short memory as I can recall Jong being one of our best players in the Adelaide elimination final and starting off terrific last year as well.

Strange comment about those other players ceiling's when compared to Jong. They all have great potential but Jong has an enormous ceiling that he could get too.

No. IIRC Jong was dropped after Rd 6 when he was shocking against Norf.

He was suspended for a game after rd 9 but didn't get picked again for a few weeks.

He wasn't picked for the first two rds last year

He wasn't picked for the GF despite proving his fitness the week prior.

Four periods in one season where he wasn't best 22 and that in a season of unparalleled injuries.

And how did Jong help us win the final against Adelaide?

But hey, Jong is in Rd 1, so all is right with world.

Good luck to him.

 

[Pigdog]

If Smith is fit, he should be ashamed. As fit and mentally on, I'd have him in the first few picked. Almost single handedly turned two finals our way last year. The only final Jong is turning, is not our way IMO. I hope Smith gets the message. I hope Wallis and Dickson get back from injury soon. As on proven ability, all three should play ahead of Jong IMO.

I know when you are getting down to the last few picked it gets pretty tight in who gets selected, but Jong & Smith are extremely different players, who play extremely different roles within the team.

Jong is a mid/ forward... Smith is forward/mid.

In our last JLT game against GC Jong attended 54% of the centre clearance contests behind only Libba & Bont who were both on 57%, Smith attended 19% with the bulk of these in the 1 quarter.. Jong was team leader in clearance wins too.

In this team Smith is fighting with McLean, Picken and Crameri for a spot and at present the MC has him behind all 3.

 

[Mutt]

This is genuinely getting ridiculous. Jong has been picked in the seniors every single week when he's been 100% fit. The club clearly rate Jong much higher than you do. You seem to have a short memory as I can recall Jong being one of our best players in the Adelaide elimination final and starting off terrific last year as well.

Strange comment about those other players ceiling's when compared to Jong. They all have great potential but Jong has an enormous ceiling that he could get too.

Spot on. Many on here are forgetting that Jong was considered best 22 for the first final against West Coast even when we had Wood and Macrae returning after injury. Jong has had a run of injuries at unfortunate times in his career but whenever he is fit he is in the mix for selection. For mine he is on the fringe of the best 22 and certainly not placed in the 30 to 44 bracket, which some seem to feel is his ranking. The match committee keep on selecting him whenever he has had a reasonable run at it injury wise.

 

[King Harold]

Make mental note , don't click on this thread again for while.
For a bloke that has pretty reasonable ability , despite my old mate MD's bluster , can't think of any of our past players coping this much scrutiny.

 

[Mutt]

Make mental note , don't click on this thread again for while.
For a bloke that has pretty reasonable ability , despite my old mate MD's bluster , can't think of any of our past players coping this much scrutiny.

I too find the negativity towards Jong totally bewildering. It's not even as though he is an outside seagull who could be chipped for not committing his body. The guy is a battering ram who tries his heart out each game and who loves the club and his team mates. What the actual feck is going on that I don't get?

 

[BRWB]

I understand getting smashed in the clearances without a ruckman but how did we go so badly in contested possession?

I know I pick on him but isn't that why Jong is in the bloody team according to most?

Bont look short of a run will only get better and Libba was off slightly off but that contested count is a worry.

The pies aren't much and won't make the 8.

11 possessions- half of them rubbish. Standard goal costing fumbles and poor decision making (like the decision to play on and miss a goal).

If his job was to lock down on the Pies mids, it didn't work as they ran riot.

If his job was to play fwd - he offered nothing.

14 tackles says he was hard at it but second to the ball.

Just a shit game - didn't even reach Jong's historically low possession numbers. Far and away the worst mid on the ground.

Surely we can't carry that output into a game against a good team, and pick someone else like Dunkley or Smith.

Shirley.

 

[King Harold]

11 possessions- half of them rubbish. Standard goal costing fumbles and poor decision making (like the decision to play on and miss a goal).

If his job was to lock down on the Pies mids, it didn't work as they ran riot.

If his job was to play fwd - he offered nothing.

14 tackles says he was hard at it but second to the ball.

Just a shit game - didn't even reach Jong's historically low possession numbers. Far and away the worst mid on the ground.

Surely we can't carry that output into a game against a good team, and pick someone else like Dunkley or Smith.

Shirley.

I agree with most of that , but please add most of our on ball brigade . They were smashed , all of them.
What were McLeans stats ? He was virtually un sighted .
Very happy with the win , thought we would struggle to hold on after 1/2 time.

 

[Golden_6]

11 possessions- half of them rubbish. Standard goal costing fumbles and poor decision making (like the decision to play on and miss a goal).

If his job was to lock down on the Pies mids, it didn't work as they ran riot.

If his job was to play fwd - he offered nothing.

14 tackles says he was hard at it but second to the ball.

Just a shit game - didn't even reach Jong's historically low possession numbers. Far and away the worst mid on the ground.

Surely we can't carry that output into a game against a good team, and pick someone else like Dunkley or Smith.

Shirley.

I don't like the '14 tackles because he was second to the ball'. If that was Libba or any other midfielder with those stats we would be singing their praises.

 

[BRWB]

I agree with most of that , but please add most of our on ball brigade . They were smashed , all of them.
What were McLeans stats ? He was virtually un sighted .
Very happy with the win , thought we would struggle to hold on after 1/2 time.

McLean isn't an inside mid. Plays more fwd. Still got it 13 times - was clean - kicked it to advantage - gained metres - idn't cost us goals with fumbles IIRC - and kicked a goal.

Agree that of our other mids were mainly badly beaten but they still more than doubled Jong's possession tally.

 

[BRWB]

I don't like the '14 tackles because he was second to the ball'. If that was Libba or any other midfielder with those stats we would be singing their praises.

Because in addition to tackling Libba wins the ball and creates.

Just tackling doesn't cut it.

 

[bresker]

When the Pies were on top and smashing us in the centre Treloar was running past Jong with such ease he may as well not been there. Treloar is a fine mid and quick player but isn't Jong meant to be the same?

Did lay plenty of tackles and nearly chimed in with a goal. Hmmm.

 

[TiAn_]

Libba only had 16 touches. Delist.

 

[DelRe]

Can I throw a bit of speculation out there. I feel like in playing Jong Bev is searching for that 'burst' type goal kicking mid we don't really seem to have at the moment. A Cooney type if you will. Yes we have Bont but I guess I'm saying to use a Pies analogy - a Treloar to go with Pendles. Jong is obviously not of that ilk but is possibly the only option for it? Just thought it backfits why he may play ahead of, say, a Smith or Dunkley who are not those types. Thoughts?

On his actual game tonight he seems more and more a confidence player. Plays like he's afraid to make mistakes and ends up making some?Fortunately he has the right coach to address that (and why perhaps he didn't do as well under Macca).

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Libba only had 16 touches. Delist.

Bob too - he kicked a couple out on the full and straight to the oppo.

And make sure you don't mention that lightning handpass and vision by Jong to get it to Dahl bursting through congestion that led to an easy goal.

Also make sure you discredit (14!) tackles.

 

[The Inbetweener]

I sit on the fence with him.

I think he is really only a depth player but don't have a melt down if picked.

Wouldn't be in my best 22 but acknowledge obviously the coach does

 

[Mr. Walker]

Libba only had 16 touches. Delist.

i think the difference in attitude is due to "runs on the board", don't you?

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

Bevo's presser re: ruck was a bit cryptic.

My take on 'we might play a large mid as ruck next week' (or something like this) is:
CHF or FF: Boyd
Ruck: Jong

 

[BRWB]

Bob too - he kicked a couple out on the full and straight to the oppo.

And make sure you don't mention that lightning handpass and vision by Jong to get it to Dahl bursting through congestion that led to an easy goal.

Also make suere you discredit (14!) tackles.

And Bob did some great things and goes for more. I can accept his mistakes. Same for Libba. And like Libba Bob has runs on the board.

Jong has none of that. He did one good handball to help set up a goal. One creative possession.

Only 64m gained for a supposed 'burst' mid.

I recall two handballs that sold his team mate into trouble. Two fumbles resulting in Pie goals. And one poor decision to play on from a free straight in front and miss the goal. That was one of his two, that's right two, kicks.

How many frees did Jong's tackling win? I don't recall any.

14 tackles is great but it doesn't outweigh the rest of his game. And it indicates we are second to the pill -
Like Hawthorn were in the semi.

People will say he had four score involvements. Well one was his missed behind. One was his diabolical handball to JJ who did a great tap to set up a goal. One was great one possession to not fumble the freak tap from Daniel and handball it well to a running Dahl.

Sure Jong tries hard. And believe it or not, I'd like him to do well. And he will play better games. But I see him making the same mistakes from relatively few possessions over and over again.

Just a nett liability IMO.