Player Watch Lin Jong

[Zephiisdaman]

You can't compare the two. They play totally different positions.

Witts is a better ruckman than Jong.

Jong marks better than Witts, don't really see your point. We had Ayce Cordy as a ruckman in the VFL, just because he was big didn't mean he wasn't a chump.
Don't over-rate your average players.
If you want to keep him as backup for Grundy, fair enough. But don't tell me Witts is Len Thompson, because he isn't.

 

[sirlothie]

I guess we have differing views.
A bloke who is ranked about 24-28 in a contending club and has shown plenty
v
A bloke ranked about 24-28 in a battling club that has shown very little.

Talk about over-rating your own players and list.

The position of the club is irrelevant. A ruckman is always top dollar. Cameron Wood went for pick 14. Talk about not understanding the trade market.

 

[sirlothie]

Witts is a champ, thats why he dominates in the VFL and an American is playing ahead of him.
Your list isn't that great that you keep guns in the reserves. Oops....sorry Travis is a champ also.

Do you remember where you are mate?

 

[sirlothie]

Jong marks better than Witts, don't really see your point. We had Ayce Cordy as a ruckman in the VFL, just because he was big didn't mean he wasn't a chump.
Don't over-rate your average players.
If you want to keep him as backup for Grundy, fair enough. But don't tell me Witts is Len Thompson, because he isn't.

Don't tell me you know more about Witts than we do. Don't want him, don't have him but he is an AFL quality ruckman which don't grow on trees.

 

[soreplums]

Jong marks better than Witts, don't really see your point. We had Ayce Cordy as a ruckman in the VFL, just because he was big didn't mean he wasn't a chump.
Don't over-rate your average players.
If you want to keep him as backup for Grundy, fair enough. But don't tell me Witts is Len Thompson, because he isn't.

Pull your head out of your ass, mate. None of us have compared him to any of the sort.

I didn't realise that Cordy and Jong were fighting for the same position on the ground. Witts is competing for one spot on the ground while Jong is competing for 1 of a possible 15 spots on the ground. Witts and Jong have different skill sets.

Richmond had Roach and Brian Taylor competing for the same FF position- BT ended up winning a Coleman medal playing for Collingwood- they couldn't play in the same side.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Witts is a champ, thats why he dominates in the VFL and an American is playing ahead of him.
Your list isn't that great that you keep guns in the reserves. Oops....sorry Travis is a champ also.

Young rucks trade at a premium due to scarcity. We happen to have a surplus of a rare item. The Dogs are in the window and need a ruck now. If they dont pay up they dont get him and maybe they dont win a premiership. Simple. Players like Jong are readily available.

I've already said I dont think Jongs a good fit for Collingwood. The Dogs need Witts far more than Collingwood needs Jong. We will get a better trade at one of 3-4 other clubs who also need a ruckman.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Pull your head out of your ass, mate. None of us have compared him to any of the sort.

I didn't realise that Cordy and Jong were fighting for the same position on the ground. Witts is competing for one spot on the ground while Jong is competing for 1 of a possible 15 spots on the ground. Witts and Jong have different skill sets.

Richmond had Roach and Brian Taylor competing for the same FF position- BT ended up winning a Coleman medal playing for Collingwood- they couldn't play in the same side.

Richmond actually had Roach Taylor and Mark Jackson on the list at the same time. They all won the club goalkicking one year...seniors, reserves, and under 19s!!!

 

[Apex36]

Sure but it doesnt really change my point very much or at all does it...my point is we have tons of depth in this department.

Besides havent midfielders like Adams currently patched the gap created by the injuries to our defenders?

And Wat is such a bogan term..

I don't see how a midfielder pushing back to defence has any relevance to defenders being labeled as strong bodied mid forwards, but each to their own.

Wat wat wat wat wat wat

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don't see how a midfielder pushing back to defence has any relevance to defenders being labeled as strong bodied mid forwards, but each to their own.

Wat wat wat wat wat wat

The general point I was making about players we already have who will be available next year. Its quite unneccessary to pick out a misused word or definition and take the whole thing out of context.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Do you remember where you are mate?

Hes welcome to make a fool of himself here

 

[Anzacday]

We've already tried to trade Witts before, we will try again.

His value isn't as high as you think, he's a 23 year old VFL ruckmen who hasn't really shown good development signs.

Sure, he MIGHT develop into a good player in a few years, but I think at this stage it's more likely he's another Cameron Wood / Robbie Walnock... has some skills but lacks aggression and can't mark. Also a complete liability at ground level unlike many other ruckmen.

Mason Cox shot past him in under 2 years on an AFL list

Cox is in the side for the contest, (sprinkled with the occasional mark) he provides in the forward line and ruck relief.
Witts is a ruckman and better around the ground than Cox.
On a needs basis, Witts misses out at the moment.
Doesn't mean he couldn't go to another club and flourish as the main ruckman.

 

[HenrikLundqvist]

Don't tell me you know more about Witts than we do. Don't want him, don't have him but he is an AFL quality ruckman which don't grow on trees.

Now I've read it all. Abandon thread.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Apparently we have cooled on him already. Baffling we even took the time to show him around. Maybe he approached us rather than the other way around.

I really like him and he'll be a good player at a club that needs a player like him. But after recruiting Treloar Adams Crisp and Greenwood in recent years and developing others like De Goey and Maynard I think we are ok in the "hard man" department.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Jong marks better than Witts, don't really see your point. We had Ayce Cordy as a ruckman in the VFL, just because he was big didn't mean he wasn't a chump.
Don't over-rate your average players.
If you want to keep him as backup for Grundy, fair enough. But don't tell me Witts is Len Thompson, because he isn't.

enjoy the freedom here to discuss our players. shame there are so many sooks on your board when it goes the other way.

so you haven't signed Jong and Stevens. Sounds like cap pressures is just starting to kick in. can you imagine what it will be like in 3 years when your young mids all want more money? You'd better win a flag in the next 2 years.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

enjoy the freedom here to discuss our players. shame there are so many sooks on your board when it goes the other way.

so you haven't signed Jong and Stevens. Sounds like cap pressures is just starting to kick in. can you imagine what it will be like in 3 years when your young mids all want more money? You'd better win a flag in the next 2 years.

They wont win one without a ruckman

 

[pablo disco bar]

Apparently we have cooled on him already. Baffling we even took the time to show him around. Maybe he approached us rather than the other way around.

I really like him and he'll be a good player at a club that needs a player like him. But after recruiting Treloar Adams Crisp and Greenwood in recent years and developing others like De Goey and Maynard I think we are ok in the "hard man" department.

Where did you here we cooled on him?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Where did you here we cooled on him?

Back page of the Herald Sun

 

[OniAu]

Apparently we have cooled on him already. Baffling we even took the time to show him around. Maybe he approached us rather than the other way around.

I really like him and he'll be a good player at a club that needs a player like him. But after recruiting Treloar Adams Crisp and Greenwood in recent years and developing others like De Goey and Maynard I think we are ok in the "hard man" department.

Probably the only sensible post in this entire thread. Agree entirely , three years ago , we would jump at him. He is hard at it in the guts and loves a contest. I just cant see a spot for him in our midfield with the names you have mentioned. To me he would be fighting for Greenwoods position.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I'm neither here nor there on Jong. He's a little meh for me and not really what I see as someone critical for us to move forward. I'd think we are looking at packaging him with a pick/player in a bigger trade and he's being thrust in front of the media as a diversion.

 

[OniAu]

Left out the point , I think we do need to move Witts on and use him to get some value to get Daicos & Brown to the club. Plus go after a young ruck prospect.

Hes shown no improvement in almost three years. We have Cox to cover as back up Ruck to Grundy. Would leave us thin if Grundy went down , however I don't think Witts is the answer as a replacement to Grundy if Grundy is in the sidelines for a long stint.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Left out the point , I think we do need to move Witts on and use him to get some value to get Daicos & Brown to the club. Plus go after a young ruck prospect.

Hes shown no improvement in almost three years. We have Cox to cover as back up Ruck to Grundy. Would leave us thin if Grundy went down , however I don't think Witts is the answer as a replacement to Grundy if Grundy is in the sidelines for a long stint.

I think that's a bit harsh. He has shown improvement; however has had little opportunity this year only playing 2 games in an unsettled line up. He's only 23 so we need to remember that this isn't uncommon for big men. We've made a conscious effort to go with Grundy which is fine and what we needed to do but I still think Witts if given opportunity will make it at AFL level, just not at Collingwood and certainly if we can develop Cox in that second ruck role.

 

[Soups]

Now I've read it all. Abandon thread.

Haha savage.

 

[Heham]

Young rucks trade at a premium due to scarcity.

If that were the case, there'd by nothing stopping AFL clubs from recruiting young basketball centers.

They're only a premium if they can play good football. Witts is not a good footballer at all.

We happen to have a surplus of a rare item.

Nope.

The Dogs are in the window and need a ruck now. If they dont pay up they dont get him and maybe they dont win a premiership. Simple. Players like Jong are readily available

We don't need anything. A quality ruckman might improve our chances, but it's not impossible to win a flag with the rucks we have.

Witts certainly wouldn't improve us at all. Roughead and Campbell have both proven themselves better than him at AFL level.

 

[mike123]

Now I've read it all. Abandon thread.

If tha'ts who I think it is, then **** you campaigner

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Him taking a Tour at Least Shows there is Interest from Both Parties

Not really. Or, that our interest extends as far as offering a fourth rounder of he's available.