List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2021

[eldorado]

From my understanding Hawthorn only have 34 Primary listed players which includes Reeves being upgraded.
Are there any other players to be upgraded, eg Moore & Bramble or will they stay with just the 34 plus rookies?

Two current rookies need to be upgraded; the minimum on a primary list is 36

I suspect 2 of Moore, Jeka and Bramble

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Looking at the KPD discussion and the possibility of Kosi moving back or Callow getting a long look as a kpd; the other guy who’s skills would translate very well is Jekka.
Personally, I recon he is a key piece to fill the long term CHF file but CHB would be a pretty awesome position for him if his work rate went through the roof. His skill set would be pretty attacking and on the rebound he could be used as a release player form deep defensive with his forward craft leading patterns.

If we had a defensive progression, with rose coloured on and potential in mind, for the end of next season or the year after looking something like this we will be in a pretty good space I recon.

Hardwick DGB CJ
Sicily Jekka Impey

Id have Day up the ground, Scrim on ball if you were wondering. Both more than capable to roll back if required.
If Callow works out as a KPD then DGB goes to CHB.
Time will tell

It's an interesting thought re Jeka. Some players go back and it clicks and they are involved in the play all the time whereas up fwd they drift. His kicking would certainly be a massive asset out of the back half both left and right.

Concern is his agility and ability to have to turn around and chase back. Suspect he would get turned inside out a fair bit. But like your idea.

 

[WWSD]

From a video of the first day of preseason you can see Callow is training as a back man. Hopefully he can develop into that long term full back

If I recall correctly, I think Sam Mitchell mentioned wanting to try Callow out in defence in the VFL before the season got cancelled.

 

[eldorado]

From a video of the first day of preseason you can see Callow is training as a back man. Hopefully he can develop into that long term full back

On the Hawk website?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I wonder if Kosi could return to the backline. He may be strong enough and certainly quick enough to compete with KPF's.

Lewis looks primed for a big season up forward. His natural marking ability, height and now size should allow him to be a quality KPF. Jeka could be ready to take that next step as a CHF.

 

[Yardie]

Do u think we moved on from Clarko this year from him moving on from Mitch and Hodgey 5 years ago?

All I am saying is that we want a fresh and new approach. What you were saying is that Sam should do what Clarko did.

I thought Shiels might have been on the table. But listening to Sam he sees him as a valuable resource who can teach the kids. Same goes for our other older players. Punting people for picks never ends well.

 

[Yardie]

We'd be crazy (& all out of ideas) if we dumped everything Clarko did just because he did it though.

For a start, Clarko won Premierships - we don't wanna move on from that*!



*unless it's to 4-peat!!!

I was a defender of Clarkson and can see the good base (IMO) that he left Sam. I think Sam will build on it quite nicely and we will have success earlier than expected. I'm just a bit sick of the punt all the old players and now that included get rid of Gunston even though he might want to stay and help us transition.

And why should Sam stop at 4?

 

[RX Hawk]

It's an interesting thought re Jeka. Some players go back and it clicks and they are involved in the play all the time whereas up fwd they drift. His kicking would certainly be a massive asset out of the back half both left and right.

Concern is his agility and ability to have to turn around and chase back. Suspect he would get turned inside out a fair bit. But like your idea.

Jeka I felt palyed well as a developing CHF last season given how young and inexperienced he was. On Lewis I felt he got pushed easily many times when he was playing FF but it was different when he was playing CHF and took some good marks too. What I am trying to say is they both played well (given they are still very young and inexperienced) in CHF. May be we need a genuine FF next year unless Lewis could develop into that in 2022.

 

[CHUBBSS]

I wonder if Kosi could return to the backline. He may be strong enough and certainly quick enough to compete with KPF's.

Lewis looks primed for a big season up forward. His natural marking ability, height and now size should allow him to be a quality KPF. Jeka could be ready to take that next step as a CHF.

kozi kicked 27.19 in first ever go at being a key forward, another pre season and working with Gunston and hale and Gelling with Mitch Lewis will make him a far better forward.

We need him kicking 50 more then we need to test him in defence

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Jeka I felt palyed well as a developing CHF last season given how young and inexperienced he was. On Lewis I felt he got pushed easily many times when he was playing FF but it was different when he was playing CHF and took some good marks too. What I am trying to say is they both played well (given they are still very young and inexperienced) in CHF. May be we need a genuine FF next year unless Lewis could develop into that in 2022.

Let's see how Lewis goes with his new leveled-up physical form. IMO Jeka is probably more suited to CHF given he's a great field kick and is more mobile than Lewis.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I expect we will we Box Hill line-up with:

Morris - FB - BP
Morrison - Callow - Howe

Lynch - Long - Maginess
Downie - the Duke - MacDonald

Serong - Jeka - Mitchell
Saunders - Green - Butler

Could be a fun to watch them all develop.

 

[Slainte]

From a video of the first day of preseason you can see Callow is training as a back man. Hopefully he can develop into that long term full back

Interesting - definitely worth a shot. If we are targeting a player from another club, my first choice would be Dougal Howard.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Interesting - definitely worth a shot. If we are targeting a player from another club, my first choice would be Dougal Howard.

Um, can you elaborate why? That’s the guy that went from Port to StKilda yeah?

 

[JaegarTime]

On the Hawk website?

Saw it on Facebook but I’m sure it’s on both. Saunders (playing as a forward) tried to tackle Callow but couldn’t get a hold, callow then dished off to Hartigan who dished off Scrimshaw (or the other way around, can’t remember)

 

[Pessimistic]

Moving on Sam Mitchell fast tracked him into his current position as the coach of the best club in the land, did it not?

and hodge Mitchell we’re older than say Tom and Jom now, and they had achieved quite a bit already

I also not that many in here were screaming out for Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

40

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

5star

to be ‘moved on’

 

[Slainte]

Um, can you elaborate why? That’s the guy that went from Port to StKilda yeah?

I watch a fair few St Kilda games because my brother supports them. Howard is currently 25 and good size (199cm/97kg). He is excellent on the big strong forwards like Charlie Dixon. He has the strength to hold his ground in a contest and the speed to get to a leading forward. He very reliability gets his fist to the ball without giving away a free. Excellent reader of the play and the high ball and does some good rebound work. We have an abundance of intercept backs. Howard would do the job when an intercept is not possible. He would have a similar role to Harigan but would be a massive upgrade.

Prising him out of St Kilda is a other matter. They rate him and he is part of their leadership group.

 

[Pessimistic]

If KPD is such a burning need, why move on TOB?

 

[PhatHQ]

It's an interesting thought re Jeka. Some players go back and it clicks and they are involved in the play all the time whereas up fwd they drift. His kicking would certainly be a massive asset out of the back half both left and right.

Concern is his agility and ability to have to turn around and chase back. Suspect he would get turned inside out a fair bit. But like your idea.

I recon it would be pretty cool to see him get another season developing as a CHF at BH but getting a few runs at CHB early to see how he goes couldn’t hurt. Even to have a long look at the possibility over the pre season as a defender would do me. He is a natural forward anyway so I don’t think 3-4 months training as a defender and a few games back would hurt his development.
It could be a good way to bump up his work rate.

 

[PhatHQ]

I wonder if Kosi could return to the backline. He may be strong enough and certainly quick enough to compete with KPF's.

Lewis looks primed for a big season up forward. His natural marking ability, height and now size should allow him to be a quality KPF. Jeka could be ready to take that next step as a CHF.

I don’t think Kosi going back is done. He had a ripper season last year without a great deal of fuss about him on the move forward.
I think his development as a player in general has had a huge leap because of the forward move. I just see that his traits that he learned and applied as a forward should translate really well back in defence.
Kosi up forward will keep Jekka out of the seniors IMO. Lewis will play FF and I get the feeling that Sam will run with a 2 ruck combo with Reeves No.1 and Lynch/BB in the pocket.

 

[Slainte]

If KPD is such a burning need, why move on TOB?

TOB lacked the body strength to hold down FB.

 

[Pessimistic]

Hence we got Hartigan, and frawley befor him, and lake before him. Lake was a great footballer but the other two are adequate but have speed and strength.

put a Sicily a DGB and a Hardwick around them and it’s a moot point.

 

[Glebehawk]

List breakdown (by position)

Small defenders
Impey (26)
Hardwick (24)
Bramble (23)
Jiath (22

Medium defenders
Sicily (26)
Day (20)
Scrimshaw (23)
Morris (20)

Key defenders
Hartigan (30)
Frost (28)
Grainger-Barras (19)

Inside Midfielders
Mitchell (28)
Worpel (22)
O’Meara (27)
Shiels (29)
Maginness (20)
Newcombe (20)
MacDonald (18)
Long (18)
O’Hara (19)

Outside midfielders
Morrison (23)
Phillips (25)
Downie (19)
Ward (18)
Saunders (19)

Medium forwards
Gunston (30)
Serong (18)
Butler (18)
S.Mitchell (19)

Small forwards
Breust (31)
Wingard (28)
Moore (22)
Brockman (19)

Key forwards
Lewis (23)
Koschitzke (21)
Jeka (20)
Callow (19)

Rucks
McEvoy (32)
Reeves (23)
Lynch (23)

Utilities
Howe (25)
Nash (23)

Next years priority feels like it should be a gun outside mid and another key defender.

 

[OnTheRocks]

Hence we got Hartigan, and frawley befor him, and lake before him. Lake was a great footballer but the other two are adequate but have speed and strength.

put a Sicily a DGB and a Hardwick around them and it’s a moot point.

An interesting thing to remember about the 3 KPDs is that we never developed one from the beginning of their careers. We got Lake due to us being at the top of our game and him wanting a premiership because his time was running out. We then needed a replacement for Lake so we then got Chip for similar reasons to Lake coming to us. We are a bottom side and replace a departing Frawley with Hartigan, I'm sure you see the pattern.

I doubt that we are going to get a suitable KPD to replace Hartigan until we are a real premiership contender and who knows how long that will be?
Tob never was nor ever will be a kpd no matter how many other good defenders surround him. I believe we have to develop our own kpd for until we are in a position for another clubs player to want to join in our success. Even then we are no guarantee of getting what we want.

 

[Slainte]

An interesting thing to remember about the 3 KPDs is that we never developed one from the beginning of their careers. We got Lake due to us being at the top of our game and him wanting a premiership because his time was running out. We then needed a replacement for Lake so we then got Chip for similar reasons to Lake coming to us. We are a bottom side and replace a departing Frawley with Hartigan, I'm sure you see the pattern.

I doubt that we are going to get a suitable KPD to replace Hartigan until we are a real premiership contender and who knows how long that will be?
Tob never was nor ever will be a kpd no matter how many other good defenders surround him. I believe we have to develop our own kpd for until we are in a position for another clubs player to want to join in our success. Even then we are no guarantee of getting what we want.

That is why I thought we should go for Gibcus in the draft. Instead we loaded up on mids. No question we need more from the midfield but we now have to find another pathway to finding a KPD. It may be that there is a fair bit of confidence that Calllow of one of the other KPFs can make the grade. If not we will depending on FA and our cash reserves.

 

[tommyk72]

Hence we got Hartigan, and frawley befor him, and lake before him. Lake was a great footballer but the other two are adequate but have speed and strength.

put a Sicily a DGB and a Hardwick around them and it’s a moot point.

Massively underselling Frawley there if you're putting him on the same level as, or closer to, Hartigan.