Looking at 2008

[earlsta]

Carlton will get picks #1 and pick #3 if they don't win another game this year.

Two guns - Kruzer 200cm ruckmen that can play as a KPP as well. (This guy IMO will be a lot better than Dean Cox and even better than what Leunenberger will become, no disrespects to Leunny.

Reece Palmer = KPP gun gun gun

Or Cotchkin the midfielder, hehe Carlton must be laughing.

They'll probably have 12-14 players on their list that have been taken in the top #10.

Gibbs, Murphy, two #1 picks playing in the middle.
Plus Carazzo who was taken as a rookie...but he's just a gun.
A.Walker who was a #2 midfielder that was selected.

Did I forget Josh Kennedy and Waite?
Young gun footballers all over the park

So much talent put to waste by a greedy shitass football department.

Take Murphy out then put him in WCE Midfield, then take a look how good he actually is. GUN

 

[Crow-mo]

Ebert is rated so highly i think you'd have to finish bottom 4 to be a chance to recruit him.

is that anymore than your personal view?

 

[Port_GW]

So in summary Carlton will have pick one yet again

Well more than likely, the rest of the football community will just need to pray they have another win maybe this week against the Wobbles, after their ordinary performance against the Lions they may be lacking in confidence, or the last game of the season i think they (Carlton) is playing Melbourne, so that would be another chance for Carlton to win (although it could be a nil draw).

At least with Ratten as their coach, given that hes auditioning for a coaching position, their focus hopefully wont be on tanking.

I know for one i'll be extremely *(^&%$ off if they get 2 picks in the top 4 or whatever it is. They dont deserve this for their own stupidity and mediocrity!!

 

[bus24]

Other than Ebert, are the any quality KPP available early in the draft and around our pick?!

I could see us going for a tall. Preferably a key forward.

From what I understand, this draft is very light on KPP.

Quality rucks, and quality midfielders early on. Overall it lacks depth though.

I think you'll see midfielders make up most of the first round. We'll probably have pick 5-7.

I'm not sure how tall we need to go. We do need some talls, but in this draft I'd rather take the quality midfielders over a weaker KP option.

2006

James Sellar

Kurt Tippett (I don't think he was the plan, but they were obviously surprised he was still available)

Nick Gill - remains to be seen what sort of future he has.

These guys as well as recruiting medium - tall guys in McIntyre, Gallman and Turner through the rookie draft.

2005 - This was the midfielders draft. Richie Douglas, Bernie Vince and Darren Pfeiffer. As well as Jason Porplyzia through the PSD. Only tall that went on the senior list was Obst

2004 - Rucks + Midfielders - Meesen, van Berlo, Gibbo, Maric, Knights. Also putting Griffin + Hinge (goneski) on the rookie list.

We have 14 players topping 192cm on the list at present.

Rutten, Bock, Gill, Perrie, Hentschel, Stevens, McGregor, Sellar, Maric, Hudson, Meesen, Biglands, Tippett, Griffin.

Of those 14, I'd suggest a maximum of 3 could be gone. Probably 2.

Could mostly be covered by promotions off the rookie list.

IMO we're much more likely to lose more small players. Doughty, Shirley possibles and Hinge, Jericho being probables.

 

[Port_GW]

is that anymore than your personal view?

No its from reading what various people have said about him.

I think theres enough hype about him to think that he'll go top 5, but its all speculation, i'm certainly not putting myself forward as an expert, just giving an opinion.

 

[bus24]

Reece Palmer = KPP gun gun gun

He's a midfielder

 

[Stiffy_18]

Oh don't get me wrong, I am not against taking a midfielder. I think we might go in with the "pick the best available" approach. If that happens to be a midfielder then great. But if that happens to be a KPP that slipped a bit I could see us jumping at the opportunity to take him. A bit like what Hawks did with Franklin. They didn't think he was going to be there but when he was they went for him even though they were banking for a midfielder

You mentioned a lot of talls but truth be told, not many of them are star quality and certainly some of them a unproven and have question marks. If you have a chance to add one genuine quality KPP to you list then you always take him even though you might not be in great need for one (we obviously are )

 

[Markthirtytwo]

On SEN I heard an interview with Matthew Richardson about the goal kicking and he was saying that other than refining your kicking action the goal kicking practice is next to useless because all the goal kickers have a very good accuracy during training, they just can't emulate the match day elements of extreme fatigue and pressure at training.

You could probably push people hard then have them practice their kicking and do that over and over during a pre-season, but the match day pressure element wont be there. People tighten up in high pressure situations.

That's my point. All the practise in the world means nought for most sports.
Baseballers, cricketers and especially golfers. Just look at the practise they do putting balls and driving, then in the heat of battle, they miss a gimme.

What I am asking is trying to get the dynamics right when shooting from a set shot.

 

[bus24]

Oh don't get me wrong, I am not against taking a midfielder. I think we might go in with the "pick the best available" approach. If that happens to be a midfielder then great. But if that happens to be a KPP that slipped a bit I could see us jumping at the opportunity to take him. A bit like what Hawks did with Franklin. They didn't think he was going to be there but when he was they went for him even though they were banking for a midfielder

Thing is, I don't think there will be a KPP that will slip. Kruezer will be number 1 and after that I'd expect midfielders to dominate the selections.

You mentioned a lot of talls but truth be told, not many of them are star quality and certainly some of them a unproven and have question marks. If you have a chance to add one genuine quality KPP to you list then you always take him even though you might not be in great need for one (we obviously are )

We do need talls, but I think in this draft you're just as likely to pick a decent KPP with your 3rd or 4th pick as your 1st pick.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Heard today that the club is looking at going over to Ireland and looking at some of the gaelic young bucks. Apparently they aren't involved in any drafting but you can put them on a rookie list.

Could be a way around some of our problems.

Edit: Oops just seen the thread.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Thing is, I don't think there will be a KPP that will slip. Kruezer will be number 1 and after that I'd expect midfielders to dominate the selections.



We do need talls, but I think in this draft you're just as likely to pick a decent KPP with your 3rd or 4th pick as your 1st pick.

Fiar enough!

Obviously a piss weak draft for talls! Which was the answer to the question I asked earlier

 

[Crow-mo]

No its from reading what various people have said about him.

I think theres enough hype about him to think that he'll go top 5, but its all speculation, i'm certainly not putting myself forward as an expert, just giving an opinion.

that's fine, but you might want to hold back from the opinions of others on these subjects. there aren't many people with any real knowledge saying much before the event.

 

[bus24]

Fiar enough!

Obviously a piss weak draft for talls! Which was the answer to the question I asked earlier

In contrast to last year, featuring the likes of

Scott Gumbleton
Lachlan Hansen
Mitch Thorp
Ben Reid
Nathan Brown
Andrejs Everitt (although more of a wingman type IMO)
James Frawley
Jack Riewoldt
James Sellar
Mitch Brown

and that was just picks 2-16

 

[Port_GW]

that's fine, but you might want to hold back from the opinions of others on these subjects. there aren't many people with any real knowledge saying much before the event.

I see your point, but Big Footy is about giving an opinion, and I'm just as entitled to give an opinion, in good faith, that Brad Ebert wont slip to the Crows' first pick, as the person on your board who said that he would. I may not be right, and i'm not stating something that i passionately believe it, i'm just saying this is what i believe will happen. I dont think me saying that makes a mockery of your board or BF in general, as i said i'm just giving an opinion, based on a feeling that i've had from reading various things about Brad.

 

[Crow-mo]

steady on champ.

you've been a bit more definite on this subject than anyone should be - that's all.

but if I was a betting man, I'd be taking the over on a top 4 pick.

 

[Port_GW]

steady on champ.

you've been a bit more definite on this subject than anyone should be - that's all.

but if I was a betting man, I'd be taking the over on a top 4 pick.

Well we'll see, its all just speculation at this stage isnt it.

Certainly would be quite ironical though to see an Ebert in Crows colors with 2 Cornes in a Port guernsey, but i guess thats the nature of AFL footy these days.

 

[amer]

Port_GW.

Want to make it any more obvious you don't want Ebert to be taken by the Crows, and therfore in your mind there's no way he'll slip.

 

[Crowked]

Carlton will get picks #1 and pick #3 if they don't win another game this year.

My understanding is that the priority pick is now a second round pick, not first round. This will give Carlton or who ever finishes bottom, pick 1 and picks 17 & 18, unless another team also qualifies for the priority pick, then they get a pick inbetween Carltons.

 

[Vader]

My understanding is that the priority pick is now a second round pick, not first round. This will give Carlton or who ever finishes bottom, pick 1 and picks 17 & 18, unless another team also qualifies for the priority pick, then they get a pick inbetween Carltons.

Yes ... and No.

Qualify for a priority pick once (by winning 4 games or less - technically 16 premiership points or less, taking draws into account) earns you a priority pick after the first round - pick #17.

Qualify twice in two years, as Carlton may do this year, and you get a priority pick before the first round. Hence, Carlton may get picks #1 and #3 this year, with Richmond looking at #2, #18 and #19 (or #20 depending upon whether Melbourne get one as well).

 

[Crowked]

Yes ... and No.

Qualify for a priority pick once (by winning 4 games or less - technically 16 premiership points or less, taking draws into account) earns you a priority pick after the first round - pick #17.

Qualify twice in two years, as Carlton may do this year, and you get a priority pick before the first round. Hence, Carlton may get picks #1 and #3 this year, with Richmond looking at #2, #18 and #19 (or #20 depending upon whether Melbourne get one as well).

Yeh! I'm surprised about that.

I thought the AFL were finally serious about eliminating tanking for an extra pick, Maybe not.

 

[feenix67]

That's my point. All the practise in the world means nought for most sports.
Baseballers, cricketers and especially golfers. Just look at the practise they do putting balls and driving, then in the heat of battle, they miss a gimme.

What I am asking is trying to get the dynamics right when shooting from a set shot.

Ridiculous statement. As Lee Trevino once famously said, the difference between a pro golfer and an average one is 1,000 balls a day. Golfers spend hours practising in order to "groove" their swing. The difference between making a clutch 6 footer to win the British open or not is nothing more than mental strength in most cases - refer Mr Norman

A footballer who is mentally tough should be able to block out the circumstances around the shot (ie the pressure of the moment, the possibility of missing, what happened with their last few shots at goal etc etc) and just focus on putting the ball through the big sticks. Hell, I think 90% of people on this forum could have kicked the two goals that Gill missed, the one that VB missed and Burtons. It's unforgivable that they miss such vital shots that my 13 yr old could kick. Its down to mental strength.

 

[texasjack]

what direction and what players to cut in 2008

What is your opinion on this matter and whom do you think should be cut and who recruited as a priority ?

Surely decisions are beinhg made now regarding the futures of several players and a think tank on what are the deficienies that have haunted the crows this year.

Time is running out for the finals and surely the average member would be disappointed with the last six or so games this season....time will tell whether a more flexible coaching philosphy will help the structure that has fallen down at times.

Whats your opinion on all of the above !!!!!!!!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

That's my point. All the practise in the world means nought for most sports.
Baseballers, cricketers and especially golfers. Just look at the practise they do putting balls and driving, then in the heat of battle, they miss a gimme.

Not too often though! To me golfers have just the right mix with their training. Between tournaments they get to practice the volume - thousands of shots on the practice fairway, thousands of putts, bunker shots etc without any pressure on them. They can hone their swing, refine their technique and train themselves to be able to repeat their swing automatically. Then during the tournaments their game is exposed to the pressures of competition.

The advantage they have is that professional golfers get to play about 280 shots during a tournament, where there is pressure on them, heaps of people watching, dollars slipping away with every missed stroke, the cut looming, opponents breathing down their neck, the leaderboard staring them in the face etc. If Skill = Technique + Pressure then they are getting the perfect combination. For Nick Gill on the other hand, he only gets 4 shots at goal during a game to test himself under match conditions. And that's a good game.

They have tested groups of professional athletes and compared them to groups of non-professional athletes to see what it is that sets the best athletes apart. In terms of being able to execute skill (passes, kicks, catches etc) there was minimal difference between the two groups.

However, when they had to do activities like executing a series of passes and at the same time identify a series of coloured flashing lights in their peripheral vision, the professional athletes significantly outperformed the non-professional athletes. For the most talented athletes, the skill is done subconsciously and automatically which leaves their mind clear to choose the right option, to be aware of the players around them, to be able to read the play etc.

Transfer that to Nick Gill. There is the isolated skill of kicking. Then there is the opposition trying to put you off. The state of the game. Your place in the team. Your reputation as a poor kick. The wind (not at the Dome though!). The crowd watching. The fact that you are on national tv for the first time. The fact that your club is sitting 9th and is in a must win game. Your parents and mates have all come along to watch you. Will you be retained on the Crows list? Etc etc.

There are training methods that can supposedly make athletes more immune to the pressures of the contest. For Nick Gill it might be giving him a series of tasks to do while he is practicing kicking for goal at training. You try to 'overload' his brain so that he is not consciously thinking about the process of kicking the ball. If possible you make training harder than the game.

 

[Crow-mo]

interesting post Carl

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Ridiculous statement. As Lee Trevino once famously said, the difference between a pro golfer and an average one is 1,000 balls a day. Golfers spend hours practising in order to "groove" their swing. The difference between making a clutch 6 footer to win the British open or not is nothing more than mental strength in most cases - refer Mr Norman

A footballer who is mentally tough should be able to block out the circumstances around the shot (ie the pressure of the moment, the possibility of missing, what happened with their last few shots at goal etc etc) and just focus on putting the ball through the big sticks. Hell, I think 90% of people on this forum could have kicked the two goals that Gill missed, the one that VB missed and Burtons. It's unforgivable that they miss such vital shots that my 13 yr old could kick. Its down to mental strength.

Is that so, smarty pants. Ever seen Mr. Traveno miss a put from a metre out, or Tiger Woods miss one every Sunday hacker could have potted?
It doesn't happen often but it does happen and that is called the human factor. We are not robots whereby everything is going according to the script. Tiger would have one of the best mental strengths of any athlete going around, but once every so often, he will miss hit a drive or put.
Then there are the other variables such as wind, rain, noise,etc or in his case, a family matter.

I would hate to be your 13 year old son if he missed a set shot in front of goal playing for his school. Sounds like it could be the hostile parent syndrome.