Lukey McGuane! [2012 Thread]

[JAKLAUGHING]

What you've been banging on about is something that rings true for my mother's partner who's also a Richmond fan.

He still doesn't understand why McGuane wasn't delisted at the end of 2010.
He says Luke can't kick, mark, handball or anything.
In 2010, he also said the same about Shane Edwards.

I guess the same goes for Matt White, Angus Graham, Andrew Browne, Jayden Post, Tom Hislop, Cleve Hughes, Dean Polo, Adam Pattison, Daniel Jackson, Jay Schulz etc etc etc.

Mind you, Essendon have also had spuds over the years.

Jason Laycock, for example, was our Luke McGuane.

Not even close...McGuane is a far better player...

 

[CotchinsClass]

I agree with yours and BTs comments, however, you have made one very wrong comment. He is not a has been. He is a never been. Useless footballer.

Haha you're right, I just cant see why Dimma wouldnt be all for Elton or Astbury all year, could get 25 or so goals and experience instead he wants to hack away at experience, for what? McGuane or Edwards would be lucky to kick 5 more goals then these younger guys this year.

 

[Morro]

Haha you're right, I just cant see why Dimma wouldnt be all for Elton or Astbury all year, could get 25 or so goals and experience instead he wants to hack away at experience, for what? McGuane or Edwards would be lucky to kick 5 more goals then these younger guys this year.

Obviously the club, the people in the know disagree at this point. Elton couldn't get a kick last year and Astbury is coming from a very low base. You might be right by mid year. But right now it seems they aren't ready. The best players need to play.

 

[Vitriol]

He is shit

 

[ReaperX]

To be honest, I don't care if McGuane plays or doesn't play. All I care about is winning games of football in the regular season, making the finals (for once), and ultimately winning a premiership.

Now with that said, I trust that Hardwick and co. know what they are doing based on our improvement from absolute basketcases in 2010, to very competitive in basically all our matches in 2012 (minus probably 2 of them)

Let's not forget that in 2010 we still had Cotchin, Martin, Deledio, and Riewoldt in our team. And in 2011 when we only won 8 games, we had Conca, Houli, and Grigg playing too. It really isn't about our stars AT ALL. It's about our mid and lower tier players getting better and better.

So with this said:

If McGuane being in the side gets us into finals, then he has obviously improved enough, and I'm all for him being around. If McGuane needs to be displaced for this to happen, then obviously our depth has improved to the point where he is no longer one of our Best 22 players, and so I'm all for that as well.

Moral of the story guys - Let's not lose sight of the ONLY ACTUAL important thing there really is, and that's having a team capable of making the finals, and ultimately, win a premiership.

Sometimes it seems that there are people on here who would rather slag off individuals and not WANT them to keep their place, even if they are doing what is required for us to improve. Which is very disappointing.

P.S - If McGuane was literally the worst player on our list, that would not be a bad thing. But as it stands, he isn't. Regardless of age and experience, he is currently a better option to play, and is more likely to get us into the finals in 2013, than the following players:

Vlastuin, Helbig, McIntosh, Astbury, White, A. Edwards, McDonough, Dea, McBean, Derickx, Elton, Arnot, O'Hanlon, Williams, Darrou, Verrier, Simon,

Go Tigers!

 

[WATIGE]

Haha you're right, I just cant see why Dimma wouldnt be all for Elton or Astbury all year, could get 25 or so goals and experience instead he wants to hack away at experience, for what? McGuane or Edwards would be lucky to kick 5 more goals then these younger guys this year.

The right player giving that sort of performance last year would have got us around four more wins and seen us into finals ...... would we call that worthless?

 

[DrMike]

Unreliable

Best description of McGuane I've seen. Can take some great marks, can kick some really difficult goals, can offer some support in the ruck, can drop the ball 1 metre out of the goal line, twice.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

So you are willing to give others more time to adapt to their roles in the team?

Yet a guy who was just converted into a fwd for a half a season is not afforded the same leniency?

Every year we see a different player either break out or fulfill a new role. I believe Luke could be one of those guys. Worst case he is good KPP depth.

He is unco Morro , hence why he can occasional take a mark yet at the same time trip over his own feet in the goal square and miss the unmissable .
He is on burrowed time and has been one of the most over paid players to ever play at RFC .
Don't kid yourself , he was moved forward because he was ****ing hopeless as a defender .

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

He is unco Morro , hence why he can occasional take a mark yet at the same time trip over his own feet in the goal square and miss the unmissable .
He is on burrowed time and has been one of the most over paid players to ever play at RFC .
Don't kid yourself , he was moved forward because he was ******* hopeless as a defender .

Lukey was moved forward because Miller was inept...Post was inept...and the fact he can kick goals......

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Lukey was moved forward because Miller was inept...Post was inept...and the fact he can kick goals......

And where are Post and Miller playing this year , get the point ?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

And where are Post and Miller playing this year , get the point ?

That comment can and ought to be directed at all the players on the list at Tigerland...so as to focus their minds and opportunities upon playing football...
The 2013 AFL Football games have yet to commence... what is your point ? in regards to Lukey boy...

 

[Rayzorwire]

He is on burrowed time...

Ah, fifty years ago they said that about Bugs Bunny and he's still going strong.

 

[tigerdan]

He is on burrowed time and has been one of the most over paid players to ever play at RFC .
Don't kid yourself , he was moved forward because he was ******* hopeless as a defender .

Would like to see proof of the first statement. In fact, unless you are his accountant its just a throwaway line. And if you want to talk about over paid, well let's have that talk, but I suspect you'll find a lot of high profile (and presumably highly over-paid) players way ahead of McGuane.

Second point I don't have a problem with. He wouldn't be the first, and wont be the last. However, I think you and many are judging him as a forward on the basis of how he went as a defender. That's not real logical. Scott Turner was a forward before he became a backman. Plenty of players change positions.

I can see that McGuane is your version of my Post or Jackson. I just really didn't think they were any good. I was right about Post. But as for Jacko, well as much as I think he is a spud, he's found his spot as a defensive forward. Maybe McGuane's found his spot too?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Ah, fifty years ago they said that about Bugs Bunny and he's still going strong.

How many AFL games has Bugs played ?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

That comment can and ought to be directed at all the players on the list at Tigerland...so as to focus their minds and opportunities upon playing football...
The 2013 AFL Football games have yet to commence... what is your point ? in regards to Lukey boy...

You said Luke went forward as Post and Miller weren't up to it . Miller was a mature aged rookie and Post started the year and continued to be played down back .
The fact they have both been delisted is hardly a glowing endorsement of Luke's ability or future within the AFL.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

How many AFL games has Bugs played ?

One of the great 'mid fielders'...on it and under it...even Elmer Fudd had trouble keeping a tag on 'im...such a wascal......

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

You said Luke went forward as Post and Miller weren't up to it . Miller was a mature aged rookie and Post started the year and continued to be played down back .
The fact they have both been delisted is hardly a glowing endorsement of Luke's ability or future within the AFL.

Well i am a lot happier with Lukey than with Post and/or Miller...as to Lukey boy's future we will have to wait and see...

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Would like to see proof of the first statement. In fact, unless you are his accountant its just a throwaway line. And if you want to talk about over paid, well let's have that talk, but I suspect you'll find a lot of high profile (and presumably highly over-paid) players way ahead of McGuane.

Second point I don't have a problem with. He wouldn't be the first, and wont be the last. However, I think you and many are judging him as a forward on the basis of how he went as a defender. That's not real logical. Scott Turner was a forward before he became a backman. Plenty of players change positions.

I can see that McGuane is your version of my Post or Jackson. I just really didn't think they were any good. I was right about Post. But as for Jacko, well as much as I think he is a spud, he's found his spot as a defensive forward. Maybe McGuane's found his spot too?

McGuanne isn't my version of Post or Jackson .
Post showed glimpses IMO , yet also exhibited traits to suggest he may struggle to be hard enough to make it .
Jackson has always exhibited to me the ability to do stupid things when exhausted and when played as a midfielder is often .
McGuanne on the other hand has always exhibited being unco and still hasn't improved , is capable of things that only good AFL
players do and also of things ordinary low grade footballers wouldn't do . The unreliable deffeciencies in his game is not suited to the modern game nor the direction inwhich the game is going .

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

McGuanne isn't my version of Post or Jackson .
Post showed glimpses IMO , yet also exhibited traits to suggest he may struggle to be hard enough to make it .
Jackson has always exhibited to me the ability to do stupid things when exhausted and when played as a midfielder is often .
McGuanne on the other hand has always exhibited being unco and still hasn't improved , is capable of things that only good AFL
players do and also of things ordinary low grade footballers wouldn't do . The unreliable deffeciencies in his game is not suited to the modern game nor the direction inwhich the game is going .

This great game has its fair share of such players...they have even played in Grand Finals...and i dare say they still will...Dew...Dawes...Dawson...

 

[In the Jungle]

Best description of McGuane I've seen. Can take some great marks, can kick some really difficult goals, can offer some support in the ruck, can drop the ball 1 metre out of the goal line, twice.

The Great Malcom Blight, Percy (shit as ) Jones to name two players playing over 200 games , missed goals from .05 meters OUT !

 

[THE_GUN]

McGuane is a very good VFL Player -------------------- Thats where he belongs

8 years & 93 games Unblvbl

 

[PUNTROADHAMMER]

It's clear that Luke is a forward. Now, this doesn't mean he's a great forward, it means he's not a great defender. It'll be party time on the streets of Richmond when he breaks his Brownlow vote duck this year!

 

[SunshineBoy]

It's clear that Luke is a forward. Now, this doesn't mean he's a great forward, it means he's not a great defender. It'll be party time on the streets of Richmond when he breaks his Brownlow vote duck this year!

Just wait till he pips jack for the coleman...

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

And shows up Cotchy for the B+F by...wait for it...a fumble...thats our Lukey!......

 

[CotchinsClass]

The right player giving that sort of performance last year would have got us around four more wins and seen us into finals ...... would we call that worthless?

A happy Meduim needs to be found we need to give these younger guys the experience so they can become 15+ goal better players 2014 and beyond.