Malthouse: What changes can we expect?

[The Old Dark Navy's]

MM has had his year as a civilian, starving then quenching his passion for coaching, am sure he has probably built a network of managers and contacts through his media role.

The worry, as you stated, is that as an autocrat he's probably going to bring himself to the table with pre-conceived ideas on how his football team, not so much the Carlton Football team, will be run.

Not trying to be a shit-stirrer, but literally handing the club to him is a huge worry.

That is what those in raptures think is happening. They somehow have got it in his head that Malthouse is such a dominant character, he will sort out everybody at Carlton, from the players to the recruiters to the Swann and the board. I believe we have our faults still but we have to have been doing something right to get from the cellar to the finals and increased our revenue streams greatly. Malthouse is just a coach, not a saviour of all things to do with a footy club.

He was so dominant at Collingwood that he had to agree to forfeit his job in two years time under a succession plan in order to keep his job. He's a coach that gets the best out of his players, not all things to all people.

I take heart from Mick saying recently that you create a game plan to suit your player strengths, not try to mould your players into a new game plan. Obviously the game plan we had either was not working consistently enough so we change it, or our players were not working consistently enough so we change them.

 

[KennyHunter9]

Suspect that there are two sides to MM ... and that it amounts to a very effective balance:

- The business manager seems to want to have a say in things but is also capable of leading and delegating effectively. Look at how many assistant coaches he's brought through to senior ranks and also his great relationships with recruiters, fitness people and you see that there must be a real balance to the man.

- The player manager also seems to have balance. Compare the intensity and occasional outbursts and sprays with the compassion and tears and I think you'll find someone who drives his players very hard, but wants them to get every ounce of ability out of themselves. He's said as much. Again, I like this balance and I think it'll work well at Carlton.

Some balance in these two areas might rectify what we understand to have been some deficiencies with Ratts' coaching: delegating and being too soft on the players.

The one area MM does not seem to have any balance is in his dealings with the media - and I totally respect that.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

That is what those in raptures think is happening. They somehow have got it in his head that Malthouse is such a dominant character, he will sort out everybody at Carlton, from the players to the recruiters to the Swann and the board. I believe we have our faults still but we have to have been doing something right to get from the cellar to the finals and increased our revenue streams greatly. Malthouse is just a coach, not a saviour of all things to do with a footy club.

He was so dominant at Collingwood that he had to agree to forfeit his job in two years time under a succession plan in order to keep his job. He's a coach that gets the best out of his players, not all things to all people.

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No doubt, we seem to have a cast of thousands on the board, and those from the sidelines with influence.

Maybe I'm getting a bit panicky, but given our past history with people that run the club, I don't believe that all 721 of them all held hands and sang Kumbaya while they knifed a loved son, then got on a Ouija board to contact MM.

The bollocks that the club is united is probably the furthest I can recall in my life.

 

[crane6]

No doubt, we seem to have a cast of thousands on the board, and those from the sidelines with influence.

Maybe I'm getting a bit panicky, but given our past history with people that run the club, I don't believe that all 721 of them all held hands and sang Kumbaya while they knifed a loved son, then got on a Ouija board to contact MM.

The bollocks that the club is united is probably the furthest I can recall in my life.

What's our fault's?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

What's our fault's?

Sticks still answers to Jack.

 

[Blue Heart]

Correct again, Rogers is a good operator and Carlton is wise to hang on to him.

I hope he is ... and i hope he has got his eyes ONLY on players who are elite kicks. The recruiting department's motto should be " ... if you can't kick, we don't want you "

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

I hope he is ... and i hope he has got his eyes ONLY on players who are elite kicks. The recruiting department's motto should be " ... if you can't kick, we don't want you "

Houlihan was one of the better kicks our club has seen. A little more info please.

 

[Ted38]

I hope he is ... and i hope he has got his eyes ONLY on players who are elite kicks. The recruiting department's motto should be " ... if you can't kick, we don't want you "

Unfortunately when you draft a player rarely if ever do you get the complete package let alone 'elite kicks'.

 

[Claypigeon]

Unfortunately when you draft a player rarely if ever do you get the complete package let alone 'elite kicks'.

Elite Kick is thrown around too much. .. Its possibly semantics but Quality/Efficient Kicking is possibly a better way to look at it. .. Elite kicking should be reserved for guys like Akermanis, Black, Greg Williams, Houlihan and their ilk. ..

 

[Claypigeon]

Don't forget that 50% of disposals are by hand, also.

Yes, Hawthorn have some good kicks in their side, but they're also pretty good players.
Kicking alone won't get you anywhere.

Wonder if there is a correlation between good kicking and good all round skills, ie. Handballing. .. Ultimately its a technique plus hand eye thing. .. As All those four I mentioned were good by hand too. ..

 

[Claypigeon]

They do have a "handball accuracy" test now at draft camp.

Yes, that's a good point, clayman.
Maybe there is a correlation for the reasons you've mentioned.
Never thought about that before.

On that topic, hand-balling is one of the bigger criticisms I had of our boys the last couple of years. .. A lot of quick handballs and even easy hand off were behind, too low or loopy for the receiver (occasionally the player wasn't ready for the dish off) leading to a lot of unnecessary pressure on the quick play of the ball. .. It was almost a lack of concentration or laziness as some of our more skilled players would do it. .. this is probably one of the structural things I'd like to see fixed as a sign Malthouse is making a difference. ..

 

[Big Sim]

Don't forget that 50% of disposals are by hand, also.

Yes, Hawthorn have some good kicks in their side, but they're also pretty good players.
Kicking alone won't get you anywhere.

Yeah but a good kick is priceless. It can turn defence into attack in a blink. A poor kick does the opposite. Lets not get carried away with what to call it, lets just define good kicks as those who don't butcher the the ball regularly. Its not so much about filling your team with elite kicks, its about getting rid of the bad kicks.

 

[Blue and Silver]

There is a huge difference between a good kick in space and a good kick under pressure. The second type is one of the most valuable assets in football.

 

[Sector 7G]

Yeah but a good kick is priceless. It can turn defence into attack in a blink. A poor kick does the opposite. Lets not get carried away with what to call it, lets just define good kicks as those who don't butcher the the ball regularly. Its not so much about filling your team with elite kicks, its about getting rid of the bad kicks.

It is somewhat ironic that the best kicking side in the comp nearly lost the prelim final through bad kicking.

 

[Gary Wilson's Helmet]

I'd like to see Malthouse crack down hard on the number of players incessantly plugging Ciccone Cosmetics via Twitter...

 

[thylacine60]

I'd like to see Malthouse crack down hard on the number of players incessantly plugging Ciccone Cosmetics via Twitter...

Suggest it will be the first thing he does come November. Pretty sure...

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Elite Kick is thrown around too much. .. Its possibly semantics but Quality/Efficient Kicking is possibly a better way to look at it. .. Elite kicking should be reserved for guys like Akermanis, Black, Greg Williams, Houlihan and their ilk. ..

Interesting how most players we associate elite kicking with over past and present years were all not blistering quick or massive gut runners.

That is what the game requires today - ability to gut run at pace all day and deliver the footy effectively under pressure to congested areas or targets. Players are even in a rush to kick for goal from set shots today!

I look at Williams and Houlihan and they were certainly not gut runners with blistering pace but used the ball well maybe because they took that little bit of extra care and got balanced before kicking.

Black is like Diesel, just trudges along all day and always looks balanced, both players bought themselves more time with their exceptional ability to mesmerize would be tacklers with deceptive skills or ball fakes, great lateral movement, vision and awareness.

Aker tended to burn opponents off more and was able to execute great skills at full pace which was blistering at times.

Maybe we have to face facts and understand that to draft or develop players with all the attributes that we fans desire our players to have just might be impossible or only come along as often as we see Halley's Comet....

 

[Big Sim]

It is somewhat ironic that the best kicking side in the comp nearly lost the prelim final through bad kicking.

Nearly but not quite. It was a beautiful kick from Burgoyne that got them back the lead when it mattered.

That they kicked badly showed what pressure can do, and what happened when they did showed how important it is to not kick badly. The Crows got flogged on most indicators but their accuracy in front of goal almost stole the game, emphasising the importance of, you guessed it, kicking.

 

[Bluesince62]

I look at Williams and Houlihan and they were certainly not gut runners with blistering pace but used the ball well maybe because they took that little bit of extra care and got balanced before kicking.

Black is like Diesel, just trudges along all day and always looks balanced, both players bought themselves more time with their exceptional ability to mesmerize would be tacklers with deceptive skills or ball fakes, great lateral movement, vision and awareness.

Valid point. Mitchell was another example of this on Saturday night. Nobody laid a glove on him even in traffic and some of his passes inside 50 were like bullets. Poise and spatial awareness is what makes players "special""

 

[Blue Flame]

Valid point. Mitchell was another example of this on Saturday night. Nobody laid a glove on him even in traffic and some of his passes inside 50 were like bullets. Poise and spatial awareness is what makes players "special""

My teacher said I'm special.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Valid point. Mitchell was another example of this on Saturday night. Nobody laid a glove on him even in traffic and some of his passes inside 50 were like bullets. Poise and spatial awareness is what makes players "special""

Mitchell is a good example, I missed Saturdays game though (currently dealing with far more pressing family matters).

Other players who quickly spring to my mind are Pendlebury, Hayes and from a while ago Paul Couch.

 

[King of Ruin]

My teacher said I'm special.

We must have the same teacher then...

 

[Ted38]

Valid point. Mitchell was another example of this on Saturday night. Nobody laid a glove on him even in traffic and some of his passes inside 50 were like bullets. Poise and spatial awareness is what makes players "special""

And each of them, Mitchell, Black and Williams were all perceived to lack pace and consequently passed over by many recruiters solely because of that.

 

[JustaBattler]

And each of them, Mitchell, Black and Williams were all perceived to lack pace and consequently passed over by many recruiters solely because of that.

and for every Wiliams - there are 10,000 spuds... ball distributors need the fast runners otherwise they just ..get...tackled...

 

[Ted38]

and for every Wiliams - there are 10,000 spuds... ball distributors need the fast runners otherwise they just ..get...tackled...

And without the ball the fast runners just run and achieve nothing.