MRP / Trib. Mansell bump on Martin

[Hamingja]

Shouldn't have even been a free kick. If you want to complain about something, complain about the artificial turf

 

[SpeckieMcVeigh]

Rear deltoid you say? As you will know the deltoid muscle is found on the upper arm, not the back, therefore it is not a push in the back. And unless I’m mistaken the Laws do not consider a bump to the arm to be prohibited contact.
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Pretty bloody hard for someone to make direct contact to the posterior deltoid while having it simultaneously being side-on contact.

Anyway, I agree with the general sentiment about that godforsaken AstroTurf that they have near the fence. Is there any purpose at all of not having it all be grass?

 

[MisterMarcus]

How the **** Is this thread still open. Any danger the mods can close it and suspend this school holiday joker for wasting peoples time?

1) Nobody's forcing you to read it. Tune out if it upsets you so.

2) It is a legitimately interesting case - falling between the 'nothing to see here' if Martin gets up unhurt and '3 weeks minimum' if he'd got concussed. I think there's some genuine curiosity about how the AFL approaches duty of care for non-head injuries.

3) Not every single thing that happens in the world is a conspiracy against Richmond.

 

[Seadog]

NEW VISION: Every angle of the push that banned McGovern

Additional footage released of Jeremy McGovern's incident with Matt Guelfi

www.afl.com.au

 

[Doss]

1) Nobody's forcing you to read it. Tune out if it upsets you so.

2) It is a legitimately interesting case - falling between the 'nothing to see here' if Martin gets up unhurt and '3 weeks minimum' if he'd got concussed. I think there's some genuine curiosity about how the AFL approaches duty of care for non-head injuries.

3) Not every single thing that happens in the world is a conspiracy against Richmond.

The AFL will never outright say it in raw terms but the reality is, the outcome-based adjudication regime that has largely determined MRO/tribunal decisions in recent years is as it is solely because of concussions, brain injury and the focus on them.

They know it. We know it. Everyone knows it.

Someone blowing their knee? Obviously, completely different stuff and it’s also pretty obvious that the ability to draw a direct causative link is much harder.

Mansell’s action in shoving Martin when he did, where he did and with the force he did was pretty needless. Just stupid faux tough guy stuff. Why not just lay a tackle?

But that also said, I don’t think I’m comfortable with Martin’s injury then forming part of how the incident is adjudicated - there is a lot of bad luck to go from being injudiciously shoved over the line to your ACL being ruptured; out of sight more so, for example, than if he’d crunched Martin in the head and he wound up with a concussion.

So if you wanted to argue that Mansell had a case to answer for rough conduct then I could probably be convinced, but I also don’t think Martin’s ACL blowing can reasonably be held against Mansell. That was just rotten luck and as others have noted, the AstroTurf’s role there is problematic too.

You’re opening a pretty big can of worms if you include potential to cause an ACL in any outcome-based adjudication, because ACLs are probably more like to result from knocking someone off balance in a marking contest or knees getting caught under bodies in a tackle than how Martin’s has occurred.

Basically, I’m not happy with Mansell but I also recognise that Martin’s ACL blowing from that incident is a very freak occurrence.

 

[joselol]

This isn't even subtle ragebait but Tigers fan are easily irritable

 

[Baltastan]

Lol did his ACL before Mansell even touched him.

 

[Waca Jr]

1) Nobody's forcing you to read it. Tune out if it upsets you so.

2) It is a legitimately interesting case - falling between the 'nothing to see here' if Martin gets up unhurt and '3 weeks minimum' if he'd got concussed. I think there's some genuine curiosity about how the AFL approaches duty of care for non-head injuries.

3) Not every single thing that happens in the world is a conspiracy against Richmond.

typical Geesook always full of shit

 

[Foxx]

Dangerous act. Using that much force sending a player over the boundary is something the AFL need to stamp out. It can cause serious injury to the player or even potentially a fan.

Fun fact. Mansell was suspended earlier in the season for 3 games for a dangerous push resulting in injury.

 

[DT_35]

Won’t and shouldn’t be reported.

BUT

Mansell deadset seems like a s*** bloke. Always trying to act tough and injure players. Absolute DH

 

[Waca Jr]

Dangerous act. Using that much force sending a player over the boundary is something the AFL need to stamp out. It can cause serious injury to the player or even potentially a fan.

Fun fact. Mansell was suspended earlier in the season for 3 games for a dangerous push resulting in injury.

You must be real fun at parties

 

[MisterMarcus]

Anyone else want to see this go further just to see Waca's meltdown?

 

[Foxx]

You must be real fun at parties

Nice Facebook reply.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

17 weeks

 

[smasha]

1) Nobody's forcing you to read it. Tune out if it upsets you so.

2) It is a legitimately interesting case - falling between the 'nothing to see here' if Martin gets up unhurt and '3 weeks minimum' if he'd got concussed. I think there's some genuine curiosity about how the AFL approaches duty of care for non-head injuries.

3) Not every single thing that happens in the world is a conspiracy against Richmond.

Going by this thread it is.

 

[Purple Suit]

NEW VISION: Every angle of the push that banned McGovern

Additional footage released of Jeremy McGovern's incident with Matt Guelfi

www.afl.com.au

I think this is enough precedence that Mansell should get sighted. 2-3 weeks only and yes it is outcome based but players really need to not go as hard on knocking other players out of the ground or face the consequences. This is as dangerous as pushing players into marking packs and as far as I'm aware there is still a rule about it.

 

[smasha]

When there is backed up evidence ,a conspiracy can no longer be called one.

As real as the Earth we live in.

 

[lalorGOAT]

**** me. To all the school kids in here: actions that indirectly lead to concussion are suspendable, because repeated head knocks lead to a thing called CTE, which is bad.

You do not get concussion in your knee.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Am I looking at this wrong or does the ACL tear happening have nothing to do with proximity to the boundary line, and happened due to Martin's right heel being planted at the point of impact?

The impact itself is just an attempt by Mansell to push Martin out of bounds with the ball, which is perfectly legal if executed correctly. He may have got Martin more in the back than the side but it wasn't the forward momentum a push in the back creates that caused the injury. Rather it was the sideways force on the knee. As shown in this still:



Awful for Nic Martin.

 

[Jim Cricket]

[Checks to see if Carlton has the Tigers coming up]Nothing in it. If Mansell did that further inside the playing field it wouldn't even be a topic here but because Martin hit the ground on the other side of the boundary line it's apparently an issue.

It's different to the McGovern incident in that McGovern pushed Guelfi into the chair and (maybe?) fence.

 

[Waca Jr]

**** me. To all the school kids in here: actions that indirectly lead to concussion are suspendable, because repeated head knocks lead to a thing called CTE, which is bad.

You do not get concussion in your knee.

According all in here he should have got life

 

[Duckimus Prime]

[Checks to see if Carlton has the Tigers coming up]Nothing in it. If Mansell did that further inside the playing field it wouldn't even be a topic here but because Martin hit the ground on the other side of the boundary line it's apparently an issue.

It's different to the McGovern incident in that McGovern pushed Guelfi into the chair and (maybe?) fence.

Its actually exactly the same as the McGovern one because if the McGovern one was in the middle of the park there'd be nothing to see there either.

 

[Jim Cricket]

Its actually exactly the same as the McGovern one because if the McGovern one was in the middle of the park there'd be nothing to see there either.

What you mean is if they'd both happened in the middle of the park they'd be the same. They didn't both happen there though and McGovern pushed Guelfi into the chair, so the two incidents are quite different.

 

[Listclogger]

Anyway, I agree with the general sentiment about that godforsaken AstroTurf that they have near the fence. Is there any purpose at all of not having it all be grass?

This is a good question - they got rid of the centre bounce plate when Shaun Rehn slipped on one and did his knee.

I can’t see any use for it outside of the boundary line apart from aesthetics. I guess we’ll never truly know if it contributed to this very unfortunate injury.