Society/Culture Manus Island - what is your take?

[HairyO]

So it all started with the first boat people arriving at her majesties pleasure

Refusing to recognise the actual first boat people?

 

[QuietB]

Refusing to recognise the actual first boat people?

We could rename Australia Day to First Boat People’s Day

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We could rename Australia Day to First Boat People’s Day

That's probably offensive to the indigenous Australians that made canoe things.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

I don't get why otherwise kindhearted and empathetic people are so often aggressive and hostile to people in this situation. Clearly, those of us who support the rights of refugees have well and truly lost this debate and need to find a new approach.

I get the argument that we don't want people risking their lives coming here, even though I disagree with it, and even though it seems to have been seized upon as an afterthought of a reason, when the Right realised "**** off we're full" wasn't as palatable as "**** off we're deeply concerned about your welfare". But I don't see how ordinary people can support indefinitely detaining people who have committed no crime in prisons that have virtually zero oversight, where detainees are seemingly murdered without consequence, where women have been r*ped and denied both justice and their right to an abortion. It is a horror, and shameful, and something we will look back upon with much regret. I just wish that regret would come sooner.

Why do you think some of these people wind up in "indefinite detention" instead of recieving refugee status and being released into the community?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

That's probably offensive to the indigenous Australians that made canoe things.

Also ignores the Dutch, Indians and Chinese.

 

[QuietB]

That's probably offensive to the indigenous Australians that made canoe things.

There are some theories they walked via land bridges.

Also ignores the Dutch, Indians and Chinese.

They didn’t stay. They are more Contiki Tour than boat people

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

There are some theories they walked via land bridges.



They didn’t stay. They are more Contiki Tour than boat people

Not entirely true. A decent proportion of northern Indigenous Australians have Indian DNA, and the dingo is most closely related to an Indian dog. So I guess some Indians stayed.

 

[Power Raid]

So it all started with the first boat people arriving at her majesties pleasure

I'm sure we can find segments of the population that would still be whinging about it

 

[QuietB]

Not entirely true. A decent proportion of northern Indigenous Australians have Indian DNA, and the dingo is most closely related to an Indian dog. So I guess some Indians stayed.

I am sure a few contiki tours have left more than a little DNA behind over the years

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not entirely true. A decent proportion of northern Indigenous Australians have Indian DNA, and the dingo is most closely related to an Indian dog. So I guess some Indians stayed.

Escaped the Vindeloo

 

[spinynorman]

Why do you think some of these people wind up in "indefinite detention" instead of recieving refugee status and being released into the community?

Um, they're in indefinite detention because the Australian Government won't allow them to be settled in Australia, irrespective of whether they are found to be genuine refugees or not? People not granted refugee status are sent back, generally speaking.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Um, they're in indefinite detention because the Australian Government won't allow them to be settled in Australia, irrespective of whether they are found to be genuine refugees or not? People not granted refugee status are sent back, generally speaking.

Who says they need to be settled in Australia? Are the Iranian or North Korean secret police going to head out to PNG to clean them up? They have refuge so what's the problem?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Who says they need to be settled in Australia? Are the Iranian or North Korean secret police going to head out to PNG to clean them up? They have refuge so what's the problem?

They do , apparently.

I'm happy if we take anyone from North Korea at the current escape rate.

 

[Opts]

I've lived and worked in places with worse / less facilities.

Sooks.

These illegal immigrants live in much better conditions those those who serve our country. They have every luxury that would be in most Australian homes yet they continue to complain and behave badly. Selfish and self centred people who don't appreciate what we are doing for them don't deserve our sympathy. The funny thing is that's the SJWs who support their cause who are encouraging them to behave in this manner.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

These illegal immigrants live in much better conditions those those who serve our country.

hahahahahaha.

No.

 

[Opts]

I agree with Adam Bandt, Dutton is f***ing with people's lives to achieve a political end, the pretence of protection has long since disappeared. The crowd that he's pandering too isn’t going to win him the election either making the really tragic thing about this is that it will all be for nowt.

I bet you were happier when Labor opened the flood gates resulting in thousands of deaths? Many of those that were making it here were undesirables and terrorist sympathisers. But you wouldn't care about that would you?

 

[Opts]

hahahahahaha.

No.

Hahahaha.

Yes.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Hahahaha.

Yes.

You are full of shit.

 

[Opts]

Isn't there a poster here with high authority claiming to be a lawyer specialising in these cases?

Yes. I think he's a mod.

 

[Opts]

You are full of shit.

Great argument there. How old are you, 12?

 

[Opts]

First it's all Labor's fault, now it's the lawyers. The blokes that have been in government and overseeing this monstrosity for the last four years get a leave pass though.

The vast majority of current asylum seekers in detention arrived here under Labor, yet you blame Liberal? WTF?

 

[Opts]

ask any policeman in nsw and they will tell you middle eastern people are over represented in the drug and bikie business

Same goes with the other states too. But, you can't state facts on how minority groups behaviour because that offends people.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Great argument there. How old are you, 12?

You've brought in a rah rah troops reference in. Hilarious.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Who the hell wants a bunch of recalcitrant pricks to live here.
I'd much rather take some "decent" immigrants.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Who the hell wants a bunch of recalcitrant pricks to live here.
I'd much rather take some "decent" immigrants.

But these people have a heart of gold and they want to come to put a shrimp on the barbie and cheer the australian cricket team. As Germany shows us these migrants create an economic boom on a scale rarely seen in human history. The stats that show high welfare usage rates are falsified, racist, and quite possibly transphobic as well.