Toast Mark Blicavs

[Jon Douglas]

I have no doubt he will be elevated next year. We may have to look at Walker as well, Burbs also will need to be looked at. Not a bad place to be in, with three rookies up for grabs.

Then there is Eardley - who many see good things in him as well.

Who knows when they will be upgraded to the senior list but it just makes our list so tight. So hard to get into.

That is why I reckon GFC will simply minismise their ND draft picks over the next two seasons (as we did last ND - 2 live picks).

We already have very likely players as Rookies and they have had time in our system. So why have more picks that are less known quantities or speculative - than these players we have rookies now ?

I would hope we use our first and second picks to target the best players available to us or swap them to get a type of player we might need - a KPB or a ruckman from another club.

If HMac or Simpson come good this season (or show promise and durability) then target a KPB for sure in the draft or from another club.

Hartman interests me as so far no one seems to be overly impressed by his performances in the VFL so far. It sems unlikely but he may face some heat at the end of the year if he does not show something in the VFL. That is how tight the list is.

Brown is the other question for me. He has had quite a few preseasons now and played a fair few games in the VFL and had a few senior games to boot. Contracted for another year but the list is so tight. because he has had some experience and has shown some talent - I would prefer to keep him one more year. He may yet turn it around. But it might not yet be seen as our best option re the draft going forward.

The team seems blessed with talent going forward - except these two positions ruck and KPB.

At some stage in the next 2-3 years these areas will need be addressed.

I expect that we will have maybe only two live ND picks again this season

 

[dazbroncos]

I wouldn't think Geelong would upgrade him next year. I could be mistaken but there is not advantage of putting him on senior list. Especially when we have 3 other promising players who have to be upgraded or delisted (burbury, walker & eardley). Keep him on the category B for as long as they can I would suggest.

It's going to be difficult come end of year, depending on retirements, how many of the younger rookies we can keep. I have no doubt other clubs will be hovering around when the time comes

The issue is that whilst I agree with the time he has left on the B rookie list is 100% correct - he can be signed to another clubs senior list for nothing. As can all our Rookies. As such, we need to protect them as much as possible. Ideally Blitz would stay down as would Eardley and we'll get Burbs and Walker up but im worried about the vultures....

Go CCatters

 

[cats_09]

The issue is that whilst I agree with the time he has left on the B rookie list is 100% correct - he can be signed to another clubs senior list for nothing. As can all our Rookies. As such, we need to protect them as much as possible. Ideally Blitz would stay down as would Eardley and we'll get Burbs and Walker up but im worried about the vultures....

Go CCatters

That is my worry also - he has time left as a rookie, but how do we know other clubs won't come knocking on his door and put an offer to him for bigger money & confirmed spot on the senior list?
To me it just feels a little like 2009 where we promoted Mumford to do a job for us in the absence of other rucks who were out injured, played 18 games for us (every game between rnds 4 & 21), didn't put a foot wrong when on the park but lost his spot to a couple of more senior rucks. Geelong wanted to keep him, but as we know he got a better offer from Sydney and felt that a guaranteed spot & games on the senior list was a better bet.
I'm not saying that another team is going to come along and offer Blitz the sort of money that Sydney put to Mumford, but Blitz has already played 7 games (most likely will play tonight) and could end up playing 10 -> 15 games depending on the ruck situation, - if that happens and come seasons end the club says to him, "we want to keep you on the B rookie list for another 12 months and a salary increase", while other team comes forward and offers him a spot on their senior list and say $200k a year it would be a big choice he has to make.

Going to be some tough decisions at seasons end for the club in terms of rookie promotions, delistings, potential retirements etc.

 

[JPod_31]

Can we re-rookie him.

 

[CF]

Brown delisted. Blicavs elevated to the senior list. Solved.

 

[Podsnap]

Browns contract ends in '14

 

[CF]

Browns contract ends in '14

Trade him to the MFC then. Keeping Blicavs has to be the number one aim here. Why they gave Brown such a long contract last time is beyond me because let's face it he's never going to play AFL at Geelong. Despite all his BF admirers decrying how good he is it's time to move him on.

 

[JUBJUB]

Simpson delisted. Blicavs elevated to the senior list. Solved.

Fixed

 

[CF]

Yeah I didn't think of Simpson. Might be able to trade him to someone looking for a bit more ruck depth on their list. You have to wonder though if he still needs more time but you look at some other players like Vardy, West, & the Blitz and they have stepped up much earlier in their careers than him. I know these guys take longer to develop but I'm not sure he is going to make it either. But I hope he proves me wrong while he is at least still a Geelong player.

 

[cats_09]

I thought that Brown asked to be put on the trade table last year or at least shopped around which Geelong was reluctant to do, but they did and they either got no offers for him or nothing that we felt was worth trading for - be interesting to see what interest there is in him this year as it does seem he is out of favour in terms of a senior gig.

Can we re-rookie him.

We can keep him on the rookie list, but I thought the rule now with free agency is that rookies are treated as unrestricted free agents, so basically any team can come in & put an offer to them and they leave if they want to.


This might be a totally stupid idea, but depending on how long Menz will be out with his latest knee operations (i know he has just had the 1st of 2), would the club look at the possibility of delisting him & adding him to the rookie list for next year and using that spot on the senior list for another player? I don't know if it is possible as I think Dan is contracted, but there does seem to be this unwritten rule around the clubs that if a team is going to rerookie a long term injured player (ie Geelong with Lonergan, Essendon did the same with Ramanauskas), would that be something that Geelong could look at doing with Menz or would be not be allowed?

 

[Turbocat]

Delist Menzel would be taking being smart one step too far. Carlton would jump on him and put both brothers together , if not one of the SA sides would.

 

[cats_09]

I think you need AFL permission to do that though - Essendon had to get permission from the AFL to be able to have Ramanauskas be added as a mature age rookie to their rookie list, and it looked to work like the rookie list promotion but in reverse with Ramanauskas the last of Essendon's rookie picks that year.

So not sure if the club could get permission from the AFL to add Menz as a rookie without having to go through all the paperwork and risk another club picking him up (basically just be able to get his status changed on the list). Being able to do that would mean opening up a senior spot for the likes of one of Walker, Burbs or Blitz if we could do that. The in 12 months time if all goes well with Menz we just promote him back to the seniors like we did with Lonergan - would seem to also take some pressure of Menz if we were able to do something like that as he knows he has the full support of the club, but without feeling like he is taking the spot of someone else or needs to get back on the park as part of the senior team sooner than later.

The alternative if the club has already written 2014 off for Menz and is unable to add him to the rookie list, is to maybe say to someone like Bitz that there is already 1 spot free in the seniors due Menz being on the long-term-injury list for the next 12 months, so we won't promote you to the senior list this year but there is a spot for you next season once it starts.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I think you need AFL permission to do that though - Essendon had to get permission from the AFL to be able to have Ramanauskas be added as a mature age rookie to their rookie list, and it looked to work like the rookie list promotion but in reverse with Ramanauskas the last of Essendon's rookie picks that year.

So not sure if the club could get permission from the AFL to add Menz as a rookie without having to go through all the paperwork and risk another club picking him up (basically just be able to get his status changed on the list). Being able to do that would mean opening up a senior spot for the likes of one of Walker, Burbs or Blitz if we could do that. The in 12 months time if all goes well with Menz we just promote him back to the seniors like we did with Lonergan - would seem to also take some pressure of Menz if we were able to do something like that as he knows he has the full support of the club, but without feeling like he is taking the spot of someone else or needs to get back on the park as part of the senior team sooner than later.

The alternative if the club has already written 2014 off for Menz and is unable to add him to the rookie list, is to maybe say to someone like Bitz that there is already 1 spot free in the seniors due Menz being on the long-term-injury list for the next 12 months, so we won't promote you to the senior list this year but there is a spot for you next season once it starts.

I don't know that they've written him off for 2014, the estimate at the time of his injury was 14-15 months, which would have him back in the 2nd half of the season.

 

[David the Cat]

Delist Menzel would be taking being smart one step too far. Carlton would jump on him and put both brothers together , if not one of the SA sides would.

Isnt there some mechanism where clubs agree to stay away from players in these circumstances?

 

[Turbocat]

Isnt there some mechanism where clubs agree to stay away from players in these circumstances?

I don't think its anything official. Ramanascas and Lonergan were life threatening , I doubt any club would consider in this way. After all why are going to do it? To enhance the quality of our list , and I'm sure every other club is thinking Geelong needs a better quality list!!

 

[FredLeDeux]

I don't think its anything official. Ramanascas and Lonergan were life threatening , I doubt any club would consider in this way. After all why are going to do it? To enhance the quality of our list , and I'm sure every other club is thinking Geelong needs a better quality list!!

I also think they are unlikely to risk draft-tampering penalties just for our benefit.

 

[muttonchops]

Righto time to pump myself up a bit. After the Blitz played another good game i keep telling people i called this when i first saw him. Note the date.

I must say i was pretty impressed with him on Saturday. He is a good size and can obviously run. But for someone who was in only his 3rd game of VFL football he far from disgraced himself. He looks to be a good kick he just needs to put the work in and with a big pre season he could be anything. Worth persisting with.
muttonchops, Aug 20, 2012EditDeleteReport
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[sarah.13]

I don't know that they've written him off for 2014, the estimate at the time of his injury was 14-15 months, which would have him back in the 2nd half of the season.

Would still leave him on the LTI list for the first halve of the year, and a spot for Blicavs to be elevated to.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Would still leave him on the LTI list for the first halve of the year, and a spot for Blicavs to be elevated to.

Sure, I wasn't making any comment about that, only the suggestion that the club may have already written Menz off for the whole of 2014.
Menz could easily be LTI for the first half of the season.
That's the only LTI spot we'll have next year, though.

 

[dazbroncos]

Righto time to pump myself up a bit. After the Blitz played another good game i keep telling people i called this when i first saw him. Note the date.

I must say i was pretty impressed with him on Saturday. He is a good size and can obviously run. But for someone who was in only his 3rd game of VFL football he far from disgraced himself. He looks to be a good kick he just needs to put the work in and with a big pre season he could be anything. Worth persisting with.
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Im gonna get on some of that too if you dont mind there mutton.... only in a supporting role of course...

Go Catters

 

[winty]

I think you need AFL permission to do that though - Essendon had to get permission from the AFL to be able to have Ramanauskas be added as a mature age rookie to their rookie list, and it looked to work like the rookie list promotion but in reverse with Ramanauskas the last of Essendon's rookie picks that year.

So not sure if the club could get permission from the AFL to add Menz as a rookie without having to go through all the paperwork and risk another club picking him up (basically just be able to get his status changed on the list). Being able to do that would mean opening up a senior spot for the likes of one of Walker, Burbs or Blitz if we could do that. The in 12 months time if all goes well with Menz we just promote him back to the seniors like we did with Lonergan - would seem to also take some pressure of Menz if we were able to do something like that as he knows he has the full support of the club, but without feeling like he is taking the spot of someone else or needs to get back on the park as part of the senior team sooner than later.

The alternative if the club has already written 2014 off for Menz and is unable to add him to the rookie list, is to maybe say to someone like Bitz that there is already 1 spot free in the seniors due Menz being on the long-term-injury list for the next 12 months, so we won't promote you to the senior list this year but there is a spot for you next season once it starts.

Wasn't the Ramanauskas one due to the fact the guy was recovering from cancer? Bit different to a guy coming back from a knee reconstruction.

 

[Hoffy95]

Wasn't the Ramanauskas one due to the fact the guy was recovering from cancer? Bit different to a guy coming back from a knee reconstruction.

Knee cancer.

 

[oozeboss]

It may just be me, but the prospect of seeing the Blitz and Vards galloping around together really excites me. I would not be surprised if that pairing heralds a major tactical shift in the way ruckmen are employed.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Why not delist Hartman with the intention of putting him on the rookie list, frees up a spot for one of our current rookies yeah?

 

[topic97]

It may just be me, but the prospect of seeing the Blitz and Vards galloping around together really excites me. I would not be surprised if that pairing heralds a major tactical shift in the way ruckmen are employed.

I am for one!!
It gives us a chance to throw Blitz forward a bit more and see how he goes there.