Matt Rendell...

[Geoffa32]

Rendell is paying the price for being critical of GWS.

Vlad was given the ammo he needed to make him pay.

How come in the original article it is mention these views are held by a number of recruiters, and yet Rendell, the one who Vlad does not like, is named and shamed?

 

[PrideOf]

What payroll are you on, The X-Files?

Notice you didn't answer the question, though. So do you work for the AFL?

 

[Plugger35]

Someone said it before, but the sad passing of Jim Stynes is really taking the oxygen out of this issue. It has given the AFL an out and has given the press hacks an out also. In a couple of days it will all be about the Sydney derby and then the media cycle will move on to round 1 proper, poor old Rendell will be forgotton and it will be business as usual at AFL House. I really hope Rendell takes on the AFL to clear his name and someone in the media calls it out for what it is rather than pander to the PC norm and the AFL's agenda - I don't hold out much hope though.

In fairness to Robbo on AFL 360 he was one of the few media people that has stuck up for Rendell and questioned the AFL and Adelaide's heavy handed actions in removing him from his job. That was two days ago before the Stynes death story has overshadowed everything though. Whether or not Robbo or anyone else still has the balls to follow this story through and get to the bottom of it is another question.

The football media tends to have a short attention span and quickly moves from one major story to the next and with the AFL season starting you can see the Rendell story being put on the backburner and being forgotten about.

I don't think there are many that don't acknowledge that Rendell's "white parent's" piece was wrong, offensive. What everyone is outraged about is the fact that a man lost his career and reputation over it. His words were poor... but the facts surrounding the matter are 100% true... recruiters face real problems in recruiting players from remote communities because of the attrition rate.

Do the AFL want to listen to the concerns of the professionals making the decisions and take action in resolving the issue... or is it better to sack the said individual and solve it that way... in the hope that the next guy will be less concerned about the issues, the attrition rate, his kpi's when recruiting players.

Some folk on here are having a real problem separating a few poorly chosen words from the underlying problem which is of much greater concern.

That's the real issue here that most of the AFL defenders seem to be forgetting. Regardless of whether you think Rendell's comments were offensive or not he was still trying to provide a solution to the problem of high attrition rates with indigenous players from remote communities.

Now that the AFL and Adelaide have effectively sacked him that solution he suggested (ie. providing schooling for talented indigenous kids) is now unlikely to be implemented. How hypocritical would the AFL look if they implemented Rendell's suggestion after shafting him so badly?

Trigg met with Rendell and asked for an explanation and was given one. Trigg asked Rendell to go away and think about what he said and come back to him that day. Later on Rendell returned and handed in his resignation. If Rendell had of been willing swallow his pride the AFC would have kept him on and helped him learn why his comments were bad. But he chose to leave. Trigg or Demetriou did not sack him or push him. I thought Trigg was pretty fair in how he handled it.

Adelaide was never going to keep Rendell on. Trigg basically admitted they would have sacked Rendell if he didn't resign so he had no choice. Also Rendell initially asked to front the media to give his side of the story and clarify his comments but Trigg said it's too late for that, implying that the decision to get rid of Rendell had already been made and it didn't matter what Rendell did after that.

 

[WALL-e]

Notice you didn't answer the question, though. So do you work for the AFL?

He'll get back to you in 2 months time on that one.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Notice you didn't answer the question, though. So do you work for the AFL?

Roby's OK, he just perceives racism at every corner.

 

[PrideOf]

Roby's OK, he just perceives racism at every corner.

Gotcha. So that narrows it down a bit - he's either Mifsud or Fahour.

 

[Roby]

Adelaide should have had a transparent inquiry process, suspended him until the results of that process had been arrived at, then dealt with the matter appropriately.

That lack of process is why Rendell is coming out of this looking like a martyr when there's still a significant possibility that he expressed those views.

Mifsud's silence means that we only have Rendells word on what was said, how it was said and what was meant, which is unsatisfactory.

Most vicitims of racism never actually admit they were victims, because they don't want to be made victims again. Feelings of victimisation only dehumanise a person, which is the last thing a person who is racially vilified wants. Conversely tend to fell on pity and contempt from the persecutor for their ignorance.

You probably going to counter that by saying that these comments have an impact on the future of the football club but it appears Misfud had queried him about it, but Rendell just repeated the same line. Misfud may have thought that his long mate and recruiter of 35 years was making an error of judgement which he would hope to be able to rectify or educate Rendell the near future. Misfud probably shows his loyalty in this case, as he knew that airing it immediately would've meant Rendell would've sacked back in February.

I just find extremely insensitive that people feel the need for someone to have to experience the ordeal of racial discrimination again because Rendell's non apology, along with his sob story, automatically give him immunity to all things. Where is the rational debate in this instance when most are hanging their argument solely on an AFL management conspiracy?

It just shows that racial vilification at the moment is still rampant and acceptable when there is such a huge cry of support for Rendell, even when his stories are conflicting with everyone else's. Those who are crying for too much political correctness in this issue, it appears we haven't over rectified enough.

 

[sherb]

Roby's OK, he just perceives racism at every corner.

Very early in the piece he came into the debate yelling "racism!", "bigotry!", like a cowboy with all guns blazing.

He won't allow his pre-conceived opinions to be challenged by any information that comes out, they are set in stone.

 

[yebiga]

I no doubt think Rendell thinks like you. People like you and Rendell will bemoan all this an over reaction in political correctness, as is your usual type of reply in situations like this. But this is not the case at all. The fact that Rendell (and you) cannot even grasp why this comment was wrong shows extraordinary ignorance. Something which is unforgivable for someone who is an AFL recruiter, but forgivable for a BF poster as that is the norm here

Clearly, what really happened was that Rendell sexually assaulted both Mifsud and Ali i in his office. During the incident he yelled racist abuse at them, like "xxxx take than you xxxx!!!"

Both men felt violated, degraded and were understandably speechless. It is common for victims to blame themselves and often entirely repress the abuse. Only after several sessions and two months with psychologist did they both feel strong enough to talk about it.

Naturally, as you do, they went straight to the media and detailed the verbal abuse only, whilst privately continuing to suffer the mental scarring left by the violence. Sybil Wilson was at the cauldron that day casting a powerful spell with frogs tails and witchety grubs.

Rendell of course is bewildered as he honestly felt they wanted a little bit of rough. In his defence, Rendell said that while in his office, Ali just kept rabbitting on about being NABBED and how he was well connected to a big Aussie Post. "What was I to do?", Matt said. According to Matt neither Mifsud or Ali complained at the time and seemed quite cordial towelling themselves off afterwards.

According to other sources, the truth is that Andrew, fat controller, Demetriou and Matt Rendell had recently ended a rather tumultous affair. When Andrew heard about this infidelity he succumb to a jealous fury and hastily ordered the inquisition to formally declare Matt a witch and ex-communicate him from the holy church of football.

Of course, this was all foretold many years ago by the high priestess, Sybil Wilson and her deformed sidekick pattie i smite you all. "fair is foul and foul is fair when Rendell catches you bum in the air"

 

[scottwade]

Trigg met with Rendell and asked for an explanation and was given one. Trigg asked Rendell to go away and think about what he said and come back to him that day. Later on Rendell returned and handed in his resignation. If Rendell had of been willing swallow his pride the AFC would have kept him on and helped him learn why his comments were bad. But he chose to leave. Trigg or Demetriou did not sack him or push him. I thought Trigg was pretty fair in how he handled it.

You've repeated this assertion a number of times.

Demetriou indicated that the recruiter who made the comment better "start thinking about some other employment".
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...ef-slams-footy-race-claim-20120316-1v9h5.html

That comment was made prior to Rendell meeting withTrigg.


Rendell on FC indicated that Trigg essentially told him that the choice was resign or be sacked.

He also said he was forced to resign by the Crows, as they would otherwise have sacked him.

Rendell said he had wanted to instead explain himself at a press conference, but was told by Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg that it was too late, as "the mud would stick" to the Crows.

After several hours consideration, Rendell said he realised Trigg was right and resigned.

He denied comments made earlier on Monday night by AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou that Trigg had offered him the chance to back away from the comment, but he had refused to do so.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-20/rendell-racist-comment-throw-away-line/3900240/?site=melbourne


Trigg himself has said that as soon as Adelaide became aware of the alleged comments that Rendell's position was "untenable".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-...over-racist-comments/3894974/?site=indigenous

"While Matthew disputes the interpretation and the context of that meeting, he's aware that to continue in the role would be to attach those comments to the club," Trigg told reporters.

"To have any such commentary attached to our club in any way is absolutely untenable."

This is not about Rendell being unwilling,as you put it, "to swallow his pride" this is about the AFL & Adelaide determining that Rendell was finished at the Adelaide Football Club, one way or the other.

 

[Turkey Tom]

yebiga - finally the truth is out! Thank you for clearing this up.

As you have all the intimate details I assume you are one of Rendell, Misfud or Ali? Which one?

 

[King Elvis]

Between that article, Thomas's comments on FC, Rendell refusing to blame him and Mifsud on Twitter; I'm convinced he wasn't the catalyst for this.

It's either Fahour or Andy D (or both), Mifsud unfortunately seems to be caught in the middle.

 

[Mr Magic]

Demetriou didn't make it public, Misfud did in an interview with a journalist about the Liam Jurrah incident. That is where it first came to light. Misfuds actions need to be investigated that is for sure.



Demetriou was going to Adelaide for a meeting anyway, it was just coincidental that this issue was around. But when he heard from Misfud what Rendell said he did ring Trigg and tell him.



Trigg met with Rendell and asked for an explanation and was given one. Trigg asked Rendell to go away and think about what he said and come back to him that day. Later on Rendell returned and handed in his resignation. If Rendell had of been willing swallow his pride the AFC would have kept him on and helped him learn why his comments were bad. But he chose to leave. Trigg or Demetriou did not sack him or push him. I thought Trigg was pretty fair in how he handled it.



There is a body it called the AFL Commission. Demetriou doesn't have a dictatorship in the AFL, he is only the CEO. Therefore he answers to the board for his actions.

Oh and 2+2=4 mate, not 5!

The only thing that concerns me out of the whole thing is that Misfud knew about this in Dec last year and didn't speak up about it then. That is the real conundrum here that needs an explanation.

the AFL & the AFC acted truly appropriately once the situation was revealed to them.

Couple of your points have validity however I know 2 + 2 = 4.

Frankly, I do not think Rendell was treated fairly or given due process. In fact the courts may well decide it one way or the other. I don't have a problem with Rendell going legal in this instance because apart from receiving natural justice the current system is abusive IMO and Rendells circumstances highlight this IMO!!!

The other thing is it sounds like the AFL commision is more of a board IMO.

Frankly, the AFL would be better served and more effective if a separate body with a closer hands on role monitored independent related operations where upon some of AD's activities where separated out into other departments/entites upon which this other body/consensus group would oversea.

Frankly, the CEO has too much power IMO and can pull strings from everywhere at a whim relatively unchecked and possibly without balance to the detriment of the game except for occasional AFL commision oversight. This isn't optimal.

Unlike Caro, I take the view the game is too big for just the CEO!!

 

[King Elvis]

Clearly, what really happened was that Rendell sexually assaulted both Mifsud and Ali i in his office. During the incident he yelled racist abuse at them, like "xxxx take than you xxxx!!!"

Both men felt violated, degraded and were understandably speechless. It is common for victims to blame themselves and often entirely repress the abuse. Only after several sessions and two months with psychologist did they both feel strong enough to talk about it.

Naturally, as you do, they went straight to the media and detailed the verbal abuse only, whilst privately continuing to suffer the mental scarring left by the violence. Sybil Wilson was at the cauldron that day casting a powerful spell with frogs tails and witchety grubs.

Rendell of course is bewildered as he honestly felt they wanted a little bit of rough. In his defence, Rendell said that while in his office, Ali just kept rabbitting on about being NABBED and how he was well connected to a big Aussie Post. "What was I to do?", Matt said. According to Matt neither Mifsud or Ali complained at the time and seemed quite cordial towelling themselves off afterwards.

According to other sources, the truth is that Andrew, fat controller, Demetriou and Matt Rendell had recently ended a rather tumultous affair. When Andrew heard about this infidelity he succumb to a jealous fury and hastily ordered the inquisition to formally declare Matt a witch and ex-communicate him from the holy church of football.

Of course, this was all foretold many years ago by the high priestess, Sybil Wilson and her deformed sidekick pattie i smite you all. "fair is foul and foul is fair when Rendell catches you bum in the air"

This probably makes more sense than anything I've read so far.


And Roby ignores Rendell's actions on Milera, McLeod's statements, Clarke and White's statements and Rendell's recruiting history.

I don't think anybody is disputing that Rendell's comment was clumsy and poorly worded, but given the context, it's hardly a racist hanging offence.

 

[Roby]

This probably makes more sense than anything I've read so far.


And Roby ignores Rendell's actions on Milera, McLeod's statements, Clarke and White's statements and Rendell's recruiting history.

I don't think anybody is disputing that Rendell's comment was clumsy and poorly worded, but given the context, it's hardly a racist hanging offence.

They haven't said anything since the interview and it has been over a day now. They responded very promptly before. Could that suggest something?

But don't take my word for it cause you're preset on not arguing any points, and happy to have a whole joke about the situation.

 

[MattyB_76]

You've repeated this assertion a number of times.

Demetriou indicated that the recruiter who made the comment better "start thinking about some other employment".
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...ef-slams-footy-race-claim-20120316-1v9h5.html

That comment was made prior to Rendell meeting withTrigg.


Rendell on FC indicated that Trigg essentially told him that the choice was resign or be sacked.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-20/rendell-racist-comment-throw-away-line/3900240/?site=melbourne


Trigg himself has said that as soon as Adelaide became aware of the alleged comments that Rendell's position was "untenable".
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-...over-racist-comments/3894974/?site=indigenous


This is not about Rendell being unwilling,as you put it, "to swallow his pride" this is about the AFL & Adelaide determining that Rendell was finished at the Adelaide Football Club, one way or the other.

Exactly. I want to know why Rendell was not able to front a press conference to explain himself, AND resign. Trigg/AFC/AFL still get the desired result, and a man who disputes the context of his statements get to voice his side of it.

 

[Deaneus!]

They haven't said anything since the interview and it has been over a day now. They responded very promptly before. Could that suggest something?

But don't take my word for it cause you're preset on not arguing any points, and happy to have a whole joke about the situation.

So... they should release a statement every day, for the rest of their lives? Get a grip.

I know much earlier in the discussion you stated you have been the victim of racism, and if you have I am truly sorry. The colour of a person's skin has no bearing upon their character. However, I suspect people treat you badly because you're a knob, not because you're "not white".

 

[Ron The Bear]

Very early in the piece he came into the debate yelling "racism!", "bigotry!", like a cowboy with all guns blazing.

He won't allow his pre-conceived opinions to be challenged by any information that comes out, they are set in stone.

I've moderated my interpretation, and now think the relationship between Rendell and Mifsud is key to how things unfolded.

- Rendell conducts a conversation with Mifsud in his usual familiar manner. Fahour comes in at some point and is aggrieved at Rendell's style
- as a friend, Mifsud is accustomed to Rendell's way of expressing himself, but embarrassed by the presence of a third party who does not know Rendell
- afterwards Fahour expresses indignation and Mifsud feels conflicted - "Ali tells me I should feel offended. Should I?"
- two months later, Mifsud makes reference to Rendell's comments (and others as yet undisclosed) during a presentation
- Demetriou presses Mifsud for details and elicits the 'one white parent' remark, along with Rendell's name
- Demetriou sets the wheels in motion for Rendell's departure without following due process

 

[Roby]

So... they should release a statement every day, for the rest of their lives? Get a grip.

I know much earlier in the discussion you stated you have been the victim of racism, and if you have I am truly sorry. The colour of a person's skin has no bearing upon their character. However, I suspect people treat you badly because you're a knob, not because you're "not white".

Is that what I said. It appears you need to get a grip.

 

[cammo78]

Most vicitims of racism never actually admit they were victims, because they don't want to be made victims again. Feelings of victimisation only dehumanise a person, which is the last thing a person who is racially vilified wants. Conversely tend to fell on pity and contempt from the persecutor for their ignorance.

You probably going to counter that by saying that these comments have an impact on the future of the football club but it appears Misfud had queried him about it, but Rendell just repeated the same line. Misfud may have thought that his long mate and recruiter of 35 years was making an error of judgement which he would hope to be able to rectify or educate Rendell the near future. Misfud probably shows his loyalty in this case, as he knew that airing it immediately would've meant Rendell would've sacked back in February.

I just find extremely insensitive that people feel the need for someone to have to experience the ordeal of racial discrimination again because Rendell's non apology, along with his sob story, automatically give him immunity to all things. Where is the rational debate in this instance when most are hanging their argument solely on an AFL management conspiracy?

It just shows that racial vilification at the moment is still rampant and acceptable when there is such a huge cry of support for Rendell, even when his stories are conflicting with everyone else's. Those who are crying for too much political correctness in this issue, it appears we haven't over rectified enough.

Yet another example of someone being offended on behalf of people who aren't themselves offended!!

Suggest you listen to the chorus of Aboriginal stakeholders (Chris Johnson, Andrew McLeod, Darryl White) singing Rendell's praises before you continue on your crusade.

These people want ACTION - not issues being swept under the rug and the fairytale charade that everything's ok contuining.

Rendell is the scapegoat fall guy - who simply verbalised what the majority were thinking.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Demetriou didn't make it public, Misfud did in an interview with a journalist about the Liam Jurrah incident. That is where it first came to light. Misfuds actions need to be investigated that is for sure.

Demetriou was going to Adelaide for a meeting anyway, it was just coincidental that this issue was around. But when he heard from Misfud what Rendell said he did ring Trigg and tell him.

Trigg met with Rendell and asked for an explanation and was given one. Trigg asked Rendell to go away and think about what he said and come back to him that day. Later on Rendell returned and handed in his resignation. If Rendell had of been willing swallow his pride the AFC would have kept him on and helped him learn why his comments were bad. But he chose to leave. Trigg or Demetriou did not sack him or push him. I thought Trigg was pretty fair in how he handled it.



There is a body it called the AFL Commission. Demetriou doesn't have a dictatorship in the AFL, he is only the CEO. Therefore he answers to the board for his actions.

Oh and 2+2=4 mate, not 5!

The only thing that concerns me out of the whole thing is that Misfud knew about this in Dec last year and didn't speak up about it then. That is the real conundrum here that needs an explanation.

the AFL & the AFC acted truly appropriately once the situation was revealed to them.

You would either be Andrew Demetriou, or his press agent to say that.

Please accept that you are calling Rendell a 100% liar.

Rendell has absolutely denied he was given a chance to reconsider his position.

Rendell says point blank Trigg never asked Rendell to go away and think about it, as if he had any choice. The only choice was, he either gets sacked or resigns. Nothing to do with Rendell swallowing his pride.

Got a suggestion. Watch the Rendell interview. You obviously haven't.

But I would say you have absolutely memorized Demetriou's interview on OTC word for word.

 

[September_Glory]

it has been reported today that Mifsud agonised over taking action for weeks. Why is that so hard to believe? After all, he is friends with Rendell, but is employed as an indigenous officer of the AFL.

Nothing against you personally Terry. But this version of events just doesn't ring true.

His long-time friend rats him out instead of just asking for clarification.

The 3rd person guy, who was apparently so outraged he wanted to "belt" Rendell, didn't even report it.

The AFL want us to believe this simple narrative but it doesn't hold up to common sense. I don't know what the truth is, but I'm not buying this version.

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I think it's hard to believe what the AFL are putting out there atm. They (Demetriou) have interests to protect and, thus, a motive to lie whilst Rendell's stirring performance makes it hard to doubt him.

The stink coming off AFL house, after Classified aired, is incredible and Demetriou has not come out to defend his version of events even though they so clearly conflict with Rendell's version. I don't know if it's arrogance or what, but silence is deafening.

Truth is, by next week another headline will pop up and Matt Rendell getting screwed will be an afterthought to that whole "Adelaide draft racism story". Perhaps the AFL is just waiting it out.

 

[smasha]

"They (people) haven't got all the facts," Demetriou said.

So Andy D any chance you could provide us with all the facts then you arrogant ****wit

They-like talking down to us like peasants.

Andy D has done alot for the game but I can't stand his arrogance.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

The AFL and Demetriou are in hiding.


No excuse for them to not reply to Rendell's version of events; a version which paints Demetriou as someone who spreads untruths and falsely accuses people of being racist.

Mud sticks, and that's what is all over Demetriou's suit right now.

 

[smasha]

Nothing against you personally Terry. But this version of events just doesn't ring true.

His long-time friend rats him out instead of just asking for clarification.

The 3rd person guy, who was apparently outraged, didn't even report it his bosses.

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I think it's hard to believe what the AFL are putting out there atm. They clearly have a motive to lie and Rendell's stirring performance makes it hard to doubt him.

The stink coming off AFL house, after Classified aired, is incredible and Demetriou has not come out to defend his version of events even though they so clearly conflict with Rendell's version. I don't know if it's arrogance or what, but silence is deafening.

Truth is, by next week another headline will pop up and Matt Rendell getting screwed will be an afterthought to that whole "Adelaide draft racism story". Perhaps the AFL is just waiting it out.

That's what happens when they're wrong.
Hide in the underground bunker till it dissipates away.