Matt Rendell...

[scottwade]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I'm pretty worried about him, I think he is a very passionate guy who has tried to set things right but has now realised that no matter what he does he can not win.

I agree. He does appear to be a guy on the edge.

Clearly these have been a fairly emotional few days for him, but even before this story broke, from what he said on FC, it appeared he was near burnout in his job.

Not a healthy situation I'd suggest.

 

[The_Wookie]

Re: Matt Rendall...

AFl 360 last night on Matt Rendell and his apology
[youtube]cBWLAUIzkmo[/youtube]

 

[Keys]

Yes building academies will help create better equipped players for AFL, but there are more important things then AFL and I think that is what is getting lost here, sadly.

Where has anyone suggested this?

Rendell was looking at a system to help those indigenous boys that wanted to pursue a career in afl by offering scholarships

He wasn't suggesting that anyone should be forcibly removed from their community and sent to Melbourne. It's about offering choice and improving the chance of success for those that want to follow a certain path

 

[TAITA]

Re: Matt Rendall...

AFl 360 last night on Matt Rendell and his apology
[youtube]cBWLAUIzkmo[/youtube]

Ahhh yes, the 'moralists' clink their glasses of chardonnay whilst they toast their latest victory.........

........and yet, still the children cry.

 

[Keys]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Ahhh yes, the 'moralists' clink their glasses of chardonnay whilst they toast their latest victory.........

........and yet, still the children cry.

Yes the big bad racist has been has seen the light and has apologised so that he may atone for his sins

Meanwhile the real issue and the problem he was trying to address remains unspoken and unresolved

Justice has been served and the heathen has been sacrificed at the altar of illusion and all things peachy

 

[JoondalupJ]

Why? How many racists are there in this thread? I believe that everyone is created equal and that we all deserve equal opportunities. I've argued many times with racists as they make me so angry, to the point where I find it difficult to spend time with a couple of members of my own family. I've worked in two foreign countries with people from other backgrounds, and was born to non-Australian-born parents. I also believe that Rendell has been hung out to dry. Does that last fact make me a racist? I think you're slagging off a lot of people with this and it smacks of your own neuroses.



Can you give concrete examples of where Rendell contradicted himself? He said on FC it was a 20-minute conversation, and the remark he explained didn't take that long, so we can assume, as he said, 'other things were said' that he can't remember. That doesn't mean he made more possibly-racist remarks or that he's contradicting himself. I think you have a problem with language, which also shows in your misuse and confusion of similar words.



See above - he didn't admit that at all.



Not inherently? I don't really know what you're talking about here. I think you look for racists where you don't need to.

By the way, do you think Rendell has or was advocating the one-white-parent policy? I don't think any of your posts have addressed that.

When we start bringing out the stolen generation thing , then , we have taken this argument too , too far. INSENSITIVITY BY SOME WHEN IT IS NOT MEANT TO HURT can be taken so far out of the reality of this Rendell situation.
I suspect his comment in terms of one white parent were not meant as "we will only take indigenous players with one white parent" I think it was more about the difficulties some people from remote places who may be deeply involved in their tribal customs that it is extremely difficult for them to assimilate into the big city and top level football, because they know nothing of that and only know the tribal ways and which clan or family they belong to.
Rendell was trying to say to Mifsud/Misfud I,m truelly not sure of the spelling there, and I should be. He was trying to say we have a lot of work to do here and people from deep inside the indigenous culture and way of life as perhaps full blood people are

(and that is not saying indigenous people with white blood as well wouldn,t be involved, but, some may not and may find it easy in the footy world as we know it)

and these people can play beautiful football, then we need to find a way to help them assimilate for the time they are here in cities dealing with a totally different
world that they are used to.

Heres the key to what Matt was trying to say, I think he was saying if we don,t work out a way to keep these young men protected and comfortable in this footy world of ours THEN MAYBE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO NOT SELECT FOOTBALLERS FROM THOSE BACKGROUNDS , MAYBE JUST INDIGENOUS FOLK WITH SOME WHITE BACKGROUND THAT MAY MAKE THEM USED TO THE WORLD OF FOOTY, OR MAYBE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THIS MODERN WORLD OF MODERN AUSTRALIA AND ARE US.

He was trying to solve and issue HE WASN,T BEING RACIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[weevil]

Enough to not be doing it anymore? Sucker

Is that the red card button I see before me...

 

[tonk]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Yes the big bad racist has been has seen the light and has apologised so that he may atone for his sins

Meanwhile the real issue and the problem he was trying to address remains unspoken and unresolved

Justice has been served and the heathen has been sacrificed at the altar of illusion and all things peachy

It's sickening.

 

[The_Wookie]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Yes the big bad racist has been has seen the light and has apologised so that he may atone for his sins

Meanwhile the real issue and the problem he was trying to address remains unspoken and unresolved

Justice has been served and the heathen has been sacrificed at the altar of illusion and all things peachy

I think the most interesting chapter is still to come tomorrow night on The Marngrook Footy Show which will have Jason Misfud on it.

(ABC2, 8.30 - Ill be posting it here shortly after for those who miss it)

 

[Mr Crow!]

There are too many reporters trying to extract any scandal, gossip or innuendo. With each passing year their over-reach becomes more disgusting: from Carey, Fevola, Nixon and now with Rendell we have someone who could not be more innocent.

This is AFL not as sport but as morality play; it is "gotcha" moments and "witch hunts". We are now accustomed to accept this feigned outrage as legitimate. We have annoited the likes of Patrick Smith and Caroline Wilson to determine what words can be spoken and what they really mean or could mean.

Sadly, Demetriou is exactly like most of our leaders in the corporate and political world - they have no real genuine principled position at all: not on race, gender, ethics, or anything else contentious. In itself this is no indictment as the world is too busy keeping up with it self to allow for adequate reflection.

Faced with this Rendell situation, the merest hint of racism and Demetriou's has got into a hot lather called Adelaide and Adelaide did what he hoped they would do. Voila - Andrew had dealt with the perception.

The saddest part to all of this is that Rendell has displayed a compassion for indeienous players and issues that Demetriou and our high priest journo's simply do not have becuase they live in the veneer of twisting words and managing perception.

Awesome post.

 

[philohk]

When we start bringing out the stolen generation thing , then , we have taken this argument too , too far. INSENSITIVITY BY SOME WHEN IT IS NOT MEANT TO HURT can be taken so far out of the reality of this Rendell situation.
I suspect his comment in terms of one white parent were not meant as "we will only take indigenous players with one white parent" I think it was more about the difficulties some people from remote places who may be deeply involved in their tribal customs that it is extremely difficult for them to assimilate into the big city and top level football, because they know nothing of that and only know the tribal ways and which clan or family they belong to.
Rendell was trying to say to Mifsud/Misfud I,m truelly not sure of the spelling there, and I should be. He was trying to say we have a lot of work to do here and people from deep inside the indigenous culture and way of life as perhaps full blood people are

(and that is not saying indigenous people with white blood as well wouldn,t be involved, but, some may not and may find it easy in the footy world as we know it)

and these people can play beautiful football, then we need to find a way to help them assimilate for the time they are here in cities dealing with a totally different
world that they are used to.

Heres the key to what Matt was trying to say, I think he was saying if we don,t work out a way to keep these young men protected and comfortable in this footy world of ours THEN MAYBE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO NOT SELECT FOOTBALLERS FROM THOSE BACKGROUNDS , MAYBE JUST INDIGENOUS FOLK WITH SOME WHITE BACKGROUND THAT MAY MAKE THEM USED TO THE WORLD OF FOOTY, OR MAYBE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THIS MODERN WORLD OF MODERN AUSTRALIA AND ARE US.

He was trying to solve and issue HE WASN,T BEING RACIST !!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what I'm saying I was asking Roby how many racists were in the thread as he seems to see them everywhere.

 

[scottwade]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I think the most interesting chapter is still to come tomorrow night on The Marngrook Footy Show which will have Jason Misfud on it.

(ABC2, 8.30 - Ill be posting it here shortly after for those who miss it)

FWIW The Age says that the interview has already been taped.

Mifsud has done a taped interview with The Marngrook Footy Show, an indigenous football show to be shown tonight on the ABC. Mifsud talks further about the meeting he had with Rendell in February, in which racially offensive comments were made that ultimately led to Rendell's resignation from the Crows last week.

Marngrook Footy Show executive producer and host Grant Hansen said Mifsud, an indigenous man, wanted to speak on an indigenous show about the issue that had engulfed the community.

He said he addressed the meeting with Rendell and the broader issues of Aboriginal players in the AFL.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-television-20120321-1vkbu.html#ixzz1plMlhqfl

I would hope there is no editorial control/input from Mifsud or the AFL and that the interview is unscripted and uncut.

 

[Keys]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I think the most interesting chapter is still to come tomorrow night on The Marngrook Footy Show which will have Jason Misfud on it.

(ABC2, 8.30 - Ill be posting it here shortly after for those who miss it)

Absolutely

Really interested in the following :

What did rendell say that caused offense and why was it offensive since I doubt it was intended to do so?
Did he tell rendell in the meeting that his comments were offensive and if not why not?
Since he was reportedly deeply offended why did he not subsequently contact a man he considered a good mate to clear the air?
Further, why did he wait several weeks to raise the issue and then do so with a journalist rather than inhouse so that the issue could be dealt with privately?
Does he believe rendell intended to or even realized that he caused offense and if not, wouldn't it have been better to address the issue privately so that rendell could be counseled without the need to be told to resign or else
Does he have concerns with the attrition rate of indigenous players and if so what is being done to rectify it?
Did rendells proposal have any merit and if not, why not?

 

[Ron The Bear]

I wonder if someone from the 1970s could actually say something that stupid and keep a straight face. Yes we should be more understanding and sensible 40 years later.

Did the government sanction torture back in 1970s? rendition?, indefinite detention for refugees?

For all our compassion, our self flagellating "sorry" the indigenous community continues to live in third world squalar; while white folk condemn each other for the incorrect usage of words, dissecting whether they hold unconscious or embedded cultural racism.

No it is not the 1970s, more women are at work, gays can live without fear. But we also have growing numbers of homelessness, and family break down. We don't smoke or drink as much but we take more prescription drugs and illicit drugs, and suffer from infinitely more mental health issues.

In 1970s the media had not reduced its public to mental pygmies. For all ourr faults, and they were many, we were a more honest culture. Today, we believe form is more important that content. We believe as long as the words are right reality will look after it self.

This disconnect may well be the key cause of our increased mental health issues - but that is something for the next generation to condemn us with.

Only noticed your posting in recent days, but it is bloody outstanding.

 

[Mr Crow!]

I think the AFL will find that Mifsud's position is also now untenable. Well, you would think having a trusting relationship with recruiters and other club personnel would be essential for his role.

So in walks Mifsub to your club and asks how are things: mmm - "yeah good mate no problems!"

I think there will be a few influential AFL figures who have now had enough of AD's pontificating. His conceit seems to be growing exponentially on a daily basis. His job is to run the AFL not to advertise his credentials for the labour party preselection.

That Matt Rendell had to go through what he has is quite simply unforgivable. The game is not there for Andrew's cultural crusades, it is not there to conduct witch hunts. It is not there for Caro and Pat Smith to salivate over their now predictable post modern witch hunts.

Anyone with Rendell's contribution deserves at least some chance, some consideration. The tolerance shown to Jurrah's machettie weaving is owed to all of us.

This.

 

[TerryWallet]

Only noticed your posting in recent days, but it is bloody outstanding.

Some are outstanding. Some are pretty dribblish.

Like all of us really.

 

[Killer eagle]

But presumably talking about gays in the following manner is acceptable;



Or these are I take it modern day attitudes about women;



Or just general acceptance of people who are 'different' to you;

Haha bang!

 

[bfff]

Yes the big bad racist has been has seen the light and has apologised so that he may atone for his sins

Meanwhile the real issue and the problem he was trying to address remains unspoken and unresolved

Justice has been served and the heathen has been sacrificed at the altar of illusion and all things peachy

And there is a nice target left to unleash those last vestiges of puritanical anger upon

Choice tweets. No replies that I can see.

@jason_mifsud Congrats on the damage to Rendell, an innocent man hung out to dry. When are you going to have the guts to stand up?

@jason_mifsud your the type of bloke I want to go to war with, I'm suicidal and wouldn't mind getting stabbed in the back. #backstabber

@jason_mifsud had Andy D written your speech yet? #puppet

 

[Ron The Bear]

So i take it that Rendell fans are not even believing Rendell himself anymore?

He must be in on the fix as well i suppose.

Rendell has admitted full responsibility for the situation.

For the statements that have been reported, and importantly, as he said himself today, for the other statements that haven't been publicly reported.

It troubles me that Rendell has seemingly lost the resolve to fight.

At the same time, having been involved in a vaguely similar situation (with zero public profile) I understand the feeling of being overwhelmed by a sense of powerlessness when the corporate machine closes ranks around its own. It can leave you questioning your own ethics and sense of fairness, and contemplating whether the alternate reality promulgated by 'them' is really the truth after all. Without wishing to sound melodramatic, it's the closest I've felt to being touched by evil.

Whilst I hope the truth emerges, I now out hold little hope if Rendell himself can't maintain the rage. The corporation wins again.

 

[TerryWallet]

Ron

Rendell is being turned into a saint by some and an ogre by a very few.

I personally don't think he is either.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Similar to what can apparently occur in police interrogations, Ron. If they interrogate them long enough and wear them down emotionally and so on they can apparently sometimes just roll over and confess, to make it all stop, even if they didn't do what they are confessing to.

Rendell has supposedly been through hell in recent days and is reportedly a "wreck". He's probably emotionally spent and so might have felt the need to just cop all the blame for it and take responsibility for the whole thing, to try and make it all stop.

And he didn't actually admit to making "racist remarks", from what I heard, he apologised for "causing offence".
But from what I've heard of what these "remarks" or "suggestions" were, they are not what I or many others would consider "racist" or offensive" and I imagine he didn't either, or else he wouldn't have said them, as he doesn't come across as racist at all, as those who know him well say he isn't (and he was also talking to his friend, so why would he want to offend him?). In the original Footy Classified interview he was mortified at the suggestion that he might have said anything racist, or that anyone would have taken offence, which was evidence enough that he didn't mean anything by it.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Ron

Rendell is being turned into a saint by some and an ogre by a very few.

I personally don't think he is either.

Agreed. But once Rendell took his case to national TV, the situation demanded a winner and a loser. That loser is Rendell. He was either unjustly dismissed, or he wasn't.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

Ron

Rendell is being turned into a saint by some and an ogre by a very few.

I personally don't think he is either.

Agree with this.

He is just a guy who was/is frustrated with a situation within his employment, and who has aired an inappropriate opinion, or two. Recruiters must be frustrated when they see talent waisted.
Not that I would know, but I do I wonder whether they are as interested about the player becoming a good complete and happy person, or whether they just want to see an excellent player.

Also, I wonder if he would've said the things he said to another person, maybe he felt that he was in the 'cone of silence' with a friend. The only reason he may not have been fired two months ago is because it was his good friend who knew that a few remarks did not completely tarnish his name. But he has now admitted that his comments were inappropriate and he has apologised, yet there are still people on here who think there is a massive conspiracy. Isn't it possible that a fundamentally good man just had a bad day and said some things he shouldn't have?

Vlad is easy to hate, it seems people will now jump in the opposing corner in any argument he has.

 

[September_Glory]

From all reports this is why Mifsud 'agonized' for as long as he did before reporting it... and even then it was to a reporter first before Vlad gave him the please explain.

I can't buy this version of events...

The guy AGONIZED over the decision. He doesn't report it to the people he should report it to, instead mentions it to a national paper. That's just odd. One would think if it was weighing on his mind so heavily, it wouldn't have just slipped out in a newspaper interview. Again, seems odd.

I think there are inconsistencies in Rendell's version, but this narrative the AFL is trying to put out there is incredibly porous and doesn't hold true to even basic levels of scrutiny.

Demetriou's lack of defense at this point is astonishing (and very surprising). He's like a PR bulldog on most AFL issues. I expected him to come out guns-a-blazing after Monday night but it looks like he's content letting employee B and employee C do the talking.

Looking forward to the fall out from the Mifsud interview.

 

[September_Glory]

And I listened to the Trigg radio interview. Very poised responses.

I thought he explained Adelaide's position/decision making very well.

They were caught in the middle of a out-of-control situation and made the decision that needed to be made.