Matt Rendell...

[Rob]

Yes, of course, why else would he say it. Or maybe it was random racist he met a few hours ago on the street and he felt the need to put it on twitter.

You sincerely hope not, maybe you may realise how bad this actually was.

The concern I would have if that is the case is that he aligns the idea of education to race. An utterly, utterly absurd link, and completely hypocritical in respect of his support of 'closing the gap'.

I wonder what he thinks of Clontarf. It must sicken him that the program implemented there is expanding around the country due to it's success in increasing school attendance rates and consequently employment prospects of students (as well as providing the odd AFL draftee now and then). But I guess to him that's just white assimilation at work?

 

[RegHickeyStand]

But you haven't even called me or pulled me up on anything. You've just made a blanket statement without backing it up.

I don't really expect the courtesy, but please don't insult my intelligence with this diatribe.

Dude, you are embarrassing yourself. I feel sorry for you.

 

[Plugger35]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Well what does that say about yourself if you continue arguing with someone who you think is not worth arguing with and continue to call a clueless moron, wouldn't ignoring me be better use of your time?

I will from now on.

No they are not odd at all. And it's quite common for vicitims of racism not too mention they are victims of racism. Especially if it means implicating a friend. But you wouldn't know about that, would you.

Victims of racism, give me a break.

 

[Roby]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I will from now on.

Good, thank-you.

Victims of racism, give me a break.

Don't worry about it.

 

[TAITA]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Why does nobody care about the Auspost/Fahour/Sponsorship issue here?

I do - infact I think I was the first one who questioned it - in this thread anyway.

There was a (expected) reply back that was quite reasonable, explaining that the parcel and freight division of AusPost subsidises the letter delivering and delivers $300 million profit each year to the government.

My question would be - where does the sponsorship (brand awareness) of the AFL benefit Auspost and the taxpayer?

Unless the brand is 'split' so it is seen as a direct competitor to Toll et al - there is no traction and the value of the sponsorship is negligible.

However, it's something that needs it's own thread.

If enough people ask enough questions of their parliamentarians (particularly given the parlous state of the government right now) you may get some answers on this one, maybe even action.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Or maybe he's played his cards on FC Monday night and has been told (by AFC, AFL, Mifsud/Fahour?) it's gonna be your word against mine, and 2 versus 1.

Fahour, and to a lesser extent Mifsud, went into damage control today by deleting inflamatory tweets. Mifsud on Mangrook tomorrow night (although I expect the interview to be pretty soft-hitting) should be interesting.

Mifsud made inflammatory tweets against Rendell?

And to think Rendell (from his POV) was trying hard not to drop Mifsud in the shit.

 

[weevil]

And if I don't concede what will you do?

I'll continue to point out to every person in this thread your hypocrisy and your complete inability to answer a basic question about the very crux of your argument.

Then perhaps at some point you might stop acting like a smart alec, know-it-all and stop self-richeously shoving your opinion down everyone else's throats.

Perhaps at some point you might have a nuanced respectful discussion about a complex issue rather than all the the simplistic chest thumping you have been pumping out so far.

 

[Lach72]

I'll continue to point out to every person in this thread your hypocrisy and your complete inability to answer a basic question about the very crux of your argument.

Then perhaps at some point you might stop acting like a smart alec, know-it-all and stop self-richeously shoving your opinion down everyone else's throats.

Perhaps at some point you might have a nuanced respectful discussion about a complex issue rather than all the the simplistic chest thumping you have been pumping out so far.

And you a super mod an' all

 

[Sidekul]

I've read the articles and watched / listened to plenty of the interviews. I've also read all your posts - they're full of unsupported assertions and ponderous pseudo-intellectualism, and frankly I feel dumber for having sat through them. You haven't even remotely proven anything you've said, nor have you answered most of the questions people - including me - have asked. Get therapy and work on the persecution mania.

Quoted for truth.

 

[weevil]

Re: Matt Rendall...

This is why I thought he was going to go legal assuming he was legit with his initial side to the story. His job prospects wouldn't be good I would suspect

Despite what he said, I don't think anyone, other than Matt, knows why he changed his tact

I'm pretty worried about him, I think he is a very passionate guy who has tried to set things right but has now realised that no matter what he does he can not win.

 

[MattyB_76]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Mifsud made inflammatory tweets against Rendell?

And to think Rendell (from his POV) was trying hard not to drop Mifsud in the shit.

Fahour more so than Mifsud. I can't recall exact wording, but a few people (including me) had tweeted both of them asking them to tell their side of the story. A few other people were being a bit more forthright. Fahour bit back a few times. Those tweets and one this morning asking: "So what does everyone think about the press this morning. More information to come." or something along those lines.

Both guys removed any tweets since Friday that weren't sanitised.

 

[weevil]

And you a super mod an' all

What would you know about being a supermod.

 

[Lach72]

What would you know about being a supermod.

Enough to not be doing it anymore? Sucker

 

[Roby]

The concern I would have if that is the case is that he aligns the idea of education to race. An utterly, utterly absurd link, and completely hypocritical in respect of his support of 'closing the gap'.

I wonder what he thinks of Clontarf. It must sicken him that the program implemented there is expanding around the country due to it's success in increasing school attendance rates and consequently employment prospects of students (as well as providing the odd AFL draftee now and then). But I guess to him that's just white assimilation at work?

Nobody said this was a simple issue. It's certainly complex, and it takes millions of baby steps given the cultural differences. Nobody has come up with a complete solution even though we have know about these issues for years, and we may not even see one in our lifetime.

Because what you need to also understand is how we view the world, which is that the colonial British western view is not in necessarily in sync with Indegenous Australia. So what we see as a solution might actually be considered not only insensitive from a cultural perspective but actually a repression of Indigenous values.

Yes building academies will help create better equipped players for AFL, but there are more important things then AFL and I think that is what is getting lost here, sadly.

 

[Malifice]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Yet even after being so upset by Rendell's comments they didn't mention it to Demetriou until two months later. Does that not strike you as odd?

As mentioned, from all reports Mifsud and Rendell were (are) mates.

The full ramifications of reporting the conversation would have been pretty darn apparent. At worse, media scrutiny (and getting labelled a racist) and at worst, loss of a Job (and indeed a career).

From all reports this is why Mifsud 'agonized' for as long as he did before reporting it... and even then it was to a reporter first before Vlad gave him the please explain.

Then there was no turning back.

Look, we've heard from the accused, I would ideally like to hear from the other two witnesses/ participants to the conversation before I make an informed judgement about the comments and imputations contained therein.

The blokes that have heard the full story from all involved and have heard from both sides are pretty adamant that the call they made was the right one.

Heresay evidence is suggesting that:

a) There was more to the conversation than MR is letting on
b) What was said was sufficiently inflamatory to anger at least one of those present to suggest violence
c) The other participants were at least dissapointed in the conversation, and at worst deeply offended

Again, untill and unless I hear from the other participants Im not going to pass further judgement.

It places Mifsud in an intresting position. Does he either keep quiet and let sleeping dogs lie, conceed that MR has copped a fair whack and an example has been set, and allow a mate to recover some ground and get on with his life (and take a hit to his own integrity), or does he come out on the front foot and lay the entire conversation (as he saw it) out on the table and potentially ruin his mate further.

Its a conflicting position for him to be in.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Fahour more so than Mifsud. I can't recall exact wording, but a few people (including me) had tweeted both of them asking them to tell their side of the story. A few other people were being a bit more forthright. Fahour bit back a few times. Those tweets and one this morning asking: "So what does everyone think about the press this morning. More information to come." or something along those lines.

Both guys removed any tweets since Friday that weren't sanitised.

Rendell has let it all hang out. Then he realized the media cycle is a monster nothing can satisfy. I hope he realizes only his friends and family count.

Fahour and Mifsud better be very careful what they say. If they gild the lily too much - ie claim that Rendell was even more inflammatory - then we have ask: "...and you just sat there, and said nothing. You didn't report it. You did speak to Rendell later and have a go at him. You didn't warn him?"

The worse they make Rendell look at that meeting, the less believable their (non)response is.

 

[1970crow]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Or maybe he's played his cards on FC Monday night and has been told (by AFC, AFL, Mifsud/Fahour?) it's gonna be your word against mine, and 2 versus 1.

Fahour, and to a lesser extent Mifsud, went into damage control today by deleting inflamatory tweets. Mifsud on Mangrook tomorrow night (although I expect the interview to be pretty soft-hitting) should be interesting.

SELF INTEREST. rendell has walked away and likely to not come back in the foreseeable future. nothing to gain at all. can the same be said about mifsud, dimetriou etc.

no doubt it's been said before, but this wasn't an issue 2 months ago. surely it's incomprehensible to suggest now that it was.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Nobody said this was a simple issue. It's certainly complex, and it takes millions of baby steps given the cultural differences. Nobody has come up with a complete solution even though we have know about these issues for years, and we may not even see one in our lifetime.

Because what you need to also understand is how we view the world, which is that the colonial British western view is not in necessarily in sync with Indegenous Australia. So what we see as a solution might actually be considered not only insensitive from a cultural perspective but actually a repression of Indigenous values.

Yes building academies will help create better equipped players for AFL, but there are more important things then AFL and I think that is what is getting lost here, sadly.

Roby...lol

 

[Plugger35]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Fahour more so than Mifsud. I can't recall exact wording, but a few people (including me) had tweeted both of them asking them to tell their side of the story. A few other people were being a bit more forthright. Fahour bit back a few times. Those tweets and one this morning asking: "So what does everyone think about the press this morning. More information to come." or something along those lines.

Both guys removed any tweets since Friday that weren't sanitised.

Fahour really sounds like a vindictive knob moreso than Mifsud. Although both are clearly Vlad's little lapdogs like Adrian Anderson and do what they are told.

 

[yaco55]

Mick McGuane on the Breakfast program on Radio Sportz National ( sport 927 ), suggested that Adelaide FC was in line to receive an $800,000 Grant to help run programs for an Indigenous education program.

Hence, why there may have been sensitivities about Rendell's comments.

 

[Rob]

Nobody said this was a simple issue. It's certainly complex, and it takes millions of baby steps given the cultural differences. Nobody has come up with a complete solution even though we have know about these issues for years, and we may not even see one in our lifetime.

Because what you need to also understand is how we view the world, which is that the colonial British western view is not in necessarily in sync with Indegenous Australia. So what we see as a solution might actually be considered not only insensitive from a cultural perspective but actually a repression of Indigenous values.

I had to read what you said a few times because I couldn't believe it the first time.
First stereotype: 'How we view the world'. A remarkably ignorant comment. Everyone views the world in many ways. You can't classify a type of thinking along racial lines.
Second stereotype: 'colonial British western view'. Unbelievable. There is no such thing, and only the highly ignorant would see it that way.

I've been intrigued by your posts in this thread, but i'm now warming to the idea that you're a troll. You appear to be relatively educated, yet you say things that no educated person would sincerely utter.

Still, I look forward to watching Mifsud tomorrow night. If he gives his version of events we'll at least get an idea of what the real issue is.

 

[The Prosecutor]

How come Mifsud was not offended when Roos and Hird suggested that Aboriginal players could be phased out of the league due to the perception they lack endurance.




And yet the suggestion of setting up an Aboriginal Academy to get more Aboriginal players in the game does offend him.

Here is his article on it, which is complete garbage mind you.

It has also been suggested recently by James Hird and Paul Roos that indigenous players will be phased out of the game because they lack endurance.
This is a disturbing view of the situation from two highly respected and regarded leaders of the competition. Their comments are destabilising and hurtful to indigenous players past and present, as well as those aspiring to compete in the demanding AFL environment.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/race-cadets-20120301-1u629.html#ixzz1pl92QyBe
​

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Re: Matt Rendall...

As mentioned, from all reports Mifsud and Rendell were (are) mates.

The full ramifications of reporting the conversation would have been pretty darn apparent. At worse, media scrutiny (and getting labelled a racist) and at worst, loss of a Job (and indeed a career).

From all reports this is why Mifsud 'agonized' for as long as he did before reporting it... and even then it was to a reporter first before Vlad gave him the please explain.

Then there was no turning back.

Look, we've heard from the accused, I would ideally like to hear from the other two witnesses/ participants to the conversation before I make an informed judgement about the comments and imputations contained therein.

The blokes that have heard the full story from all involved and have heard from both sides are pretty adamant that the call they made was the right one.

Heresay evidence is suggesting that:

a) There was more to the conversation than MR is letting on
b) What was said was sufficiently inflamatory to anger at least one of those present to suggest violence
c) The other participants were at least dissapointed in the conversation, and at worst deeply offended

Again, untill and unless I hear from the other participants Im not going to pass further judgement.

It places Mifsud in an intresting position. Does he either keep quiet and let sleeping dogs lie, conceed that MR has copped a fair whack and an example has been set, and allow a mate to recover some ground and get on with his life (and take a hit to his own integrity), or does he come out on the front foot and lay the entire conversation (as he saw it) out on the table and potentially ruin his mate further.

Its a conflicting position for him to be in.

But the 500 pound gorilla in the room is why didn't Mifsud confront Rendell at least after the meeting? Lets excuse him for being shocked at what Rendell said and not replying at the meeting. I don't buy that, but lets say its true. Then where is the call later on saying "Listen mate, I can't cop what you said at that meeting...."?

 

[philohk]

But you haven't even called me or pulled me up on anything. You've just made a blanket statement without backing it up.

I don't really expect the courtesy, but please don't insult my intelligence with this diatribe.

Why? How many racists are there in this thread? I believe that everyone is created equal and that we all deserve equal opportunities. I've argued many times with racists as they make me so angry, to the point where I find it difficult to spend time with a couple of members of my own family. I've worked in two foreign countries with people from other backgrounds, and was born to non-Australian-born parents. I also believe that Rendell has been hung out to dry. Does that last fact make me a racist? I think you're slagging off a lot of people with this and it smacks of your own neuroses.



Can you give concrete examples of where Rendell contradicted himself? He said on FC it was a 20-minute conversation, and the remark he explained didn't take that long, so we can assume, as he said, 'other things were said' that he can't remember. That doesn't mean he made more possibly-racist remarks or that he's contradicting himself. I think you have a problem with language, which also shows in your misuse and confusion of similar words.



See above - he didn't admit that at all.



Not inherently? I don't really know what you're talking about here. I think you look for racists where you don't need to.

By the way, do you think Rendell has or was advocating the one-white-parent policy? I don't think any of your posts have addressed that.

6 wtfs

 

[philohk]

Choice tweets. No replies that I can see.

@jason_mifsud Congrats on the damage to Rendell, an innocent man hung out to dry. When are you going to have the guts to stand up?

@jason_mifsud your the type of bloke I want to go to war with, I'm suicidal and wouldn't mind getting stabbed in the back. #backstabber

@jason_mifsud had Andy D written your speech yet? #puppet