Matt Rendell...

[Lach72]

There are a fair few people who don't know what a hypothetical situation is.

Rendell: "Caro, what would you do if there was an asteroid crashing to earth in the next hour?"
Caro: "Don't be ridiculous, there's no asteroid, apologise for scaring people!"

etc..

Then there are people who will take someone's words and twist them to get a result they want.

"Ridiculuth, thereth no athteroid"

 

[Malifice]

Re: Matt Rendall...

The flip side of the coin is Mifsouds position.

From all reports the two are friends, and he agonised over reporting the full conversation for months. He was also genuinely offended by the full conversation.

Its not like he wouldnt have known what the likely ramifications for Rendell would have been. Loss of his Job, and public humiliation. Vlad doesnt take shit like this lying down.

I get the feeling that there was more to the conversation than Rendell is letting on.

Rendell has form in 'speaking his mind' and not backing down from a controversial position.

Like why did Rendell fall on his sword if he genuinely beleived that his comments were innocent or simply misconstrued?

He just doesnt seem to me to be the type of bloke that would give in that easily.

 

[Werewolf]

Demetriou needs to offer Rendell his job back and admit that a mistake has been made.

Not gonna happen. We all know Vlad never makes mistakes

If he had only [allegedly] attacked someone with a machete he could have full support from his club.

How does that work again?

Welcome to the 21st Century. Words speak louder than actions these days

 

[Roby]

What Rendell has said in public is probably not what he feels in private,

So when it suits you its not what he says anymore.

...he showed how upset he was on Footy Classified. Maybe he has been spoken to by people or offered a payout to just shut up about it and apologise, wouldn't be the first time that's happened

He has been offered a payout, are you sure about that?

Anyway Rendell apologising still doesn't excuse the AFL's behaviour, which as far as I can see is far worse than anything Rendell has done.

Far worse than what exactly, do you even know?

It also doesn't mean that clueless morons like yourself have had a victory in this either because you haven't. What you have repeatedly failed to realise is that the AFL has now lost a man that was trying to help indigenous players have successful, long term AFL careers, all because the AFL wanted to make a nice politically correct statement while papering over the cracks of the real problems

Use those so called high perceptive glasses you claim to have and redirected the bolded text back at yourself and see whaht you find.

 

[Geoffa32]

So when it suits you its not what he says anymore.



He has been offered a payout, are you sure about that?



Far worse than what exactly, do you even know?


Use those so called high perceptive glasses you claim to have and redirected the bolded text back at yourself and see whaht you find.

Is Vlad paying you Overtime to be at the Headquarters this late at night?

 

[Malifice]

Welcome to the 21st Century. Words speak louder than actions these days

There is also the presumption of innocence.

Rendells not innocent - he freely admits as much.

The question is 'does the punishment fit the crime'.

For a better example see Steven King - just got pinged by his club $5000 for drink driving (0.175 BAC).

In other words he was hammered - and just lucky he didnt kill anyone.

Yet he kept his Job.

 

[SydCrow]

apparently Matt has discovered some indigenous blood on his mother's side

also his brother's company is about to announce a large sponsorship deal with the AFL

problem solved ...

Ladies and gentlemen, the AFL is proud to announce the newly appointed AFL Reconciliation Commissioner, a man with over 35 years in the industry and a track record of not running away from the hard issues. Mr Matthew Rendell.

 

[sworc36]

Re: Matt Rendall...

The flip side of the coin is Mifsouds position.

From all reports the two are friends, and he agonised over reporting the full conversation for months. He was also genuinely offended by the full conversation.

Its not like he wouldnt have known what the likely ramifications for Rendell would have been. Loss of his Job, and public humiliation. Vlad doesnt take shit like this lying down.

I get the feeling that there was more to the conversation than Rendell is letting on.

Rendell has form in 'speaking his mind' and not backing down from a controversial position.

Like why did Rendell fall on his sword if he genuinely beleived that his comments were innocent or simply misconstrued?

He just doesnt seem to me to be the type of bloke that would give in that easily.

Because sometimes it is just way too hard. I would imagine Demetriou, Misfud and co wouldnt be happy about MR going on TV and making them out to look like the dirty little rats that they are, they are probably that naive or arrogant to think that this was just going to blow over, but it has caused hysteria. Everyone wants a piece of them (besides Caro of course). I wouldnt be surprised if MR was forced to come out and apologise. He probably just wants it all to go away as well.

 

[azreal]

But presumably talking about gays in the following manner is acceptable;



Or these are I take it modern day attitudes about women;



Or just general acceptance of people who are 'different' to you;

Nice work, quality internetting.

 

[yebiga]

Roby
So the real problems according to you are the words? If the words are offensive the actions are irrelevant. Consider renaming yourself Goebbel's fodder.

 

[Mattrox]

I worked in 2 different boarding schools in Darwin on 2 different occasions. In both of these schools the boarders were mostly Indigenous kids from families who lived in isolated communities. Families who chose to send their children there did so for an education. As parents, like all parents, they (the parents) wanted the best education and the best future for their children. Many, but not all of the children arrived in Year 8 with almost no English. Mind you they may have known 3 or 4 Indigenous languages. By year 9 to 10 most of the boys would have been initiated, and they were in a culture (at school) that still treated them as boys but in the communities they were men. The situation is complex, difficult yet many families wanted their kids to be able to survive "in the mainstream" as it is called, as well as their homeland.

One of my students was Nathan Djerrkura. He displayed tremendous athletic ability. He was also one of the most polite, curteous and hard-working students I have taught. No matter how challenging the work, he always made the effort to learn. His sporting talent must have been scouted because he was offered a football scholarship to Scotch College (Vic) and subsequently was picked up by Geelong at a time when it was full of gun players and breaking into the squad was difficult. Now with the Western Bulldogs he has made a career out of football.

Surely any suggestion of providing an opportunity (such as this example) where parents and students can make a choice is not racist. There are all sorts of programmes available to assist marginalised or disadvantaged groups. Rendell's idea is not any different than the example(s) quoted above. Maybe AFL employees took offence if Rendell didn't agree with their approach, or put his points across bluntly or casually or with sloppy language. Surely the approach of reconciliation is the way to work with a conflict situation like this.

Rendell was made a scapegoat by the AFL, thrown under the bus, left hanging by his employer. He was not given the opportunity to face his accusors, or face the press before it all hit the fan. Other agendas seem to be at play. The who thing stinks to high heaven.

Rendell can see the damage that will occur to "The Game" because of the unfair treatment he recieved. Like stepping down for the good of the Club, he has called for closure in this matter for the good of the game. Both of these are at his own personal expense. He is a broken man who did not deserve this treatment. I am sickened by those that assert he deserved the treament he recieved. The issues of racism are close to my heart and I can't see the sense in treating Matt Rendell the way the AFL has. I hope they are ashamed, but I fear (and know) that AFL house is too arrogant to have such feelings.

Just shameful.

 

[Malifice]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Because sometimes it is just way too hard. I would imagine Demetriou, Misfud and co wouldnt be happy about MR going on TV and making them out to look like the dirty little rats that they are, they are probably that naive or arrogant to think that this was just going to blow over, but it has caused hysteria. Everyone wants a piece of them (besides Caro of course). I wouldnt be surprised if MR was forced to come out and apologise. He probably just wants it all to go away as well.

Hang on.

Youre assuming that Misfud and Co are dirty little rats, and that there isnt more to the conversation than what MR reported.

When clearly (from all reports) there was more to the conversation than simply a throwaway line about 'white parents'.

Enough to genuinely upset the other two blokes present, to the point one was angry enough to suggest to the other to 'knock his block off' and cause the other one to publicly shaft a man he considered a mate.

Rendells put his side of the story forward - and he's not exactly going to spin it in a bad light on national TV now is he?

Is Mifsud the kind of bloke who dogs on a mate... for no apparent reason?

From all reports he agnonised about revealing the conversation for months, no doubt knowing full well what the ramifications for his mate would be.

Unless he wants to stitch MR up further and go into details himself (bearing in mind the two are supposed to still be mates) he's in a conflicted position here.

 

[rayven]

It's been made quite clear.

follow the company line or get out of the company.

Fact, responsible buisness ethic, rational decision making is not the issue.

The Afl made an add full of refrence to indegenous and GWS players, anyone who bucks the official line in private or in public is goneski.


some posters spoke of this dictatorish an not benelovant years ago.

Players numbers inceased last year, blacks decreased, an alice springs machette attack made the afl enforce all endevours must be made....

 

[weevil]

So when it suits you its not what he says anymore.

Wow you are the last person here who should be accusing others of not being able to hack it when the questions don't suit them.

Do you understand that warning that bad things are going to happen is not the same as saying you want bad things to happen?

 

[Geoffa32]

How come Mifsud was not offended when Roos and Hird suggested that Aboriginal players could be phased out of the league due to the perception they lack endurance.

It has also been suggested recently by James Hird and Paul Roos that indigenous players will be phased out of the game because they lack endurance.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/race-cadets-20120301-1u629.html#ixzz1pkoMJmPR

And yet the suggestion of setting up an Aboriginal Academy to get more Aboriginal players in the game does offend him.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Re: Matt Rendall...

The flip side of the coin is Mifsouds position.

From all reports the two are friends, and he agonised over reporting the full conversation for months. He was also genuinely offended by the full conversation.

Its not like he wouldnt have known what the likely ramifications for Rendell would have been. Loss of his Job, and public humiliation. Vlad doesnt take shit like this lying down.

I get the feeling that there was more to the conversation than Rendell is letting on.

Rendell has form in 'speaking his mind' and not backing down from a controversial position.

Like why did Rendell fall on his sword if he genuinely beleived that his comments were innocent or simply misconstrued?

He just doesnt seem to me to be the type of bloke that would give in that easily.

Rendell is adamant that Mifsud did not bring it up with him at the meeting, after the meeting, or any time after that.

So please explain how a bloke could agonize over what was said by a friend without approaching said friend?

Mifsud didn't at first tell Vlad. He mentioned it in an interview in the Age, and it went from there. I believe Vlad wanted to know more.

If there is more to the conversation, then why lead with the one white parent comment? Sounds like an empty threat to me. Pathetic attempt at slandering a person.

Rendell was given two options: sacking or resignation. Falling on his sword was made very easy for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if this all hit Mifsud by surprise too. Here is a scenario: They walk out of the meeting and Ali is in Mifsud's ear going on about the comment and blowing up as if Rendell really meant it. Weeks later Mifsud drops it in an interview to make a point, not thinking it would go as far as it did. Then he gets used by Vlad to extract revenge on Rendell.

 

[Plugger35]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Its appears theres no need to, indigenous players like any other player can take care of their own attrition because we're all the same. Any program put in place should be for all people - equally.

There is a higher attrition rate amongst indigenous players though, particularly ones from remote communities. Even Demetriou himself has acknowledged this is an issue.

The flip side of the coin is Mifsouds position.

From all reports the two are friends, and he agonised over reporting the full conversation for months. He was also genuinely offended by the full conversation.

Its not like he wouldnt have known what the likely ramifications for Rendell would have been. Loss of his Job, and public humiliation. Vlad doesnt take shit like this lying down.

I get the feeling that there was more to the conversation than Rendell is letting on.

Rendell has form in 'speaking his mind' and not backing down from a controversial position.

Like why did Rendell fall on his sword if he genuinely beleived that his comments were innocent or simply misconstrued?

He just doesnt seem to me to be the type of bloke that would give in that easily.

Rendell was offered the choice to resign or be sacked by Adelaide, maybe he was offered an additional payout if he resigned and didn't rock the boat. He has been careful not to criticise Adelaide in all this when on the face of it you'd think he wouldn't be too happy with how they've treated him.

 

[Roby]

Wow you are the last person here who should be accusing others of not being able to hack it when the questions don't suit them.

Do you understand that warning that bad things are going to happen is not the same as saying you want bad things to happen?

No I don't know so why do you even bother asking. By the way, how many posts is this, over 2 dozen? I would like to know your payroll officer is. Now that would we be a story.

 

[Malifice]

Do you understand that warning that bad things are going to happen is not the same as saying you want bad things to happen?

But do you understand that ones choice of language when discussing either is kind of important as well?

Rendell may very well have had good intentions with what he said, but certainly he could have said it better.

Everyone involved in the conversation says as much.

 

[Roby]

How come Mifsud was not offended when Roos and Hird suggested that Aboriginal players could be phased out of the league due to the perception they lack endurance.




And yet the suggestion of setting up an Aboriginal Academy to get more Aboriginal players in the game does offend him.

Misfud already spoke to Vlad that he was not happy with the comments.

 

[The Dodger]

Roby
So the real problems according to you are the words? If the words are offensive the actions are irrelevant. Consider renaming yourself Goebbel's fodder.

Definitely the words. Imagine if Rendell had said. "There is no problem with drafting Indegenous kids, the system is fine". Meanwhile sat back as a recruiter and just kept drafting white kids. No one would be the wiser and Matt Rendell would be in a job and the drop out rate of indegenous kids would get bigger. But leave that to Vlad and the AFL, who then say that it is the clubs fault for not implementing better strategies for maintaining them on the list, and suggesting that clubs will "just have to get better otherwise they will miss out on indegenous talent" cause we all know that leaving it to the open market to fix will solve the problem, right?

 

[Malifice]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Rendell was offered the choice to resign or be sacked by Adelaide, maybe he was offered an additional payout if he resigned and didn't rock the boat. He has been careful not to criticise Adelaide in all this when on the face of it you'd think he wouldn't be too happy with how they've treated him.

He was 3 months into a 3 year contract.

I would assume he would have more to gain by digging his heels in and fighting unfair diismissal than falling on his sword (in the absence of a payout by the AFC).

And as for 'not rocking the boat', hasnt he done just that with his emotive interview on FC?

It didnt cast Vlad or Trigg in particularly good lights (although he was mindful not to throw Misfod into the shit).

He certainly didnt fade into the night.

Im not sure that the AFC administration would be entirely happy with that interview.

 

[Geoffa32]

Misfud already spoke to Vlad that he was not happy with the comments.

So why didnt Hird have to look for another job. How come Vlad was not as outraged as he was last week?

To suggest that
(a) Aboriginal athletes lack endurance and
(b) Because of this they will be phased out of the game

is an outright disgrace. And far worse than Rendell's comments.

And yet there were no consequences.


How come??

 

[The Dodger]

But do you understand that ones choice of language when discussing either is kind of important as well?

Rendell may very well have had good intentions with what he said, but certainly he could have said it better.

Everyone involved in the conversation says as much.

I cant speak for Weevil but i dont think he has ever said he doesnt understand that.

But lets look at it like this on a scale of good to bad.

Saying it right and wanting to implement good

Saying it wrong but wanting to implement good - Where Rendell should have ended up

Saying it right but not wanting to implement good

Saying it wrong and not wanting to implement good - Where Rendell has ended up because posturing and finger pointing.

I would have it like that wouldnt you? So in reality a good purpose gets made to look like the last option because of the focus on poorly used words taken out of context.

 

[weevil]

No I don't know so why do you even bother asking. By the way, how many posts is this, over 2 dozen? I would like to know your payroll officer is. Now that would we be a story.

If you are so confident of your argument you would cut the nonsense and just talk about the issue.

You asserted that his comments were absolutely racist and no context could change this.

I have provided a perfectly legitimate scenario in which the context does change it.

So I am asking you to either find fault in the argument or to concede you were wrong.