News Matthew Lloyd Contract Status - Merged Threads

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

I don't know what it is but I would have no qualms about Lloyd playing for another club.

I was gutted when Hardwick left. Wanganeen also. If Fletch played for another I'd be distraught but I just don't hold the same love for Lloyd.

Heck I consider Hird, Fletcher, Wanganeen, Long to be better players than him over the past 20 years.

If we can get something for him then we should look at it. There's not much point in giving him a farewell tour when we need to take the side in a different direction.

 

[EVERLAST]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

He derserves to leave on his own terms, simple as that! Knights needs to understand that despite his position at the club, he still has much to prove to the Essendon faithful, whereas Lloyd has accomplished just that.

Any man deserves to be given what he has brought to the table over his life and Matty is no different. To have it potentially taken away prematurely what is rightfully his is dissrespectful and demoralising.

Besides, Hurley aside, we have current no capable full forwards.

He deserves to bow out on a better note than round 22 2009.

 

[lmaohelp]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

I'd be physically ill if he plays for another club.

A club legend who is being absolutely shafted. Play him ff next season and he'll kick 50 goals no problem.

agreed.

 

[warney7]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

He deserves to be played at FF and deserves every chance to get to 1000 goals.

If Knights can't tell Lloyd that he wants him to play on for us, I hope he goes on somewhere else and shoves it right up us.

I'd prefer he stayed and kick 50 for us though!

 

[FBDonkey]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

I don't know what it is but I would have no qualms about Lloyd playing for another club.

If Fletch played for another club I'd be distraught but I just don't hold the same love for Lloyd.

If we can get something for him then we should look at it. There's not much point in giving him a farewell tour when we need to take the side in a different direction.

I feel the same way

We should have traded Lloyd a few years ago. Just because he is a club champion doesnt mean that he should be able to get in the way of our future progress. Sentimentality shouldn't get in the way of success.

Im not a huge fan of Knights, but if he thinks getting rid of Lloyd and Lucas is the right thing to do then im happy to back him in. I think i would actually like Llloyd more if he played for another club (though maybe not collingwood).

Daniher and Gumbleton need to come into our team next year, Paddy/Hille will need a spot up forward, and Neagle needs some time at FF in a team that is actually kicking goals.

For Lloyd to leave on a good note (and to be a chance at the 1000), he needs to spend the whole season at FF. This is obviously not in Knights' plan and rightly so. There is clearly no room for Lloydy at Essendon in 2010.

 

[mantis]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7020

Lloyd will be signed by the end of next week.

 

[mojon95]

Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=608172

 

[marcuz]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

I know most bomber fans will burn me at the stake for saying this but i wouldnt lose any sleep if he pulls up stumps and never plays again. His impact on games is diminishing every game. And as scotty lucas showed, big forwards tend to get old fast.

 

[AJ_2000]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7020

Lloyd will be signed by the end of next week.

Heard the interview on SEN this morning. The Knights said all the right things about having the discussion about Lloyd and his future, but I would stop short of saying that he 100% wants him in the team next seaon.

Knights is always measured with what he says in the media, and true to form did not over play his desire to resign Lloyd.

 

[AFL LEGEND]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

Round 3, Friday Night Football
Essendon Versus Carlton
Matthew Lloyd

10 kicks
6 handballs
81% disposal efficiency
10 marks (4 contested)
8 contested possesions
1 tackle
1 score assist
5 goals 1 behind

Round 15, Saturday Afternoon football
Sydney Versus Essendon
Matthew Lloyd

10 kicks
5 handballs
8 marks
2 tackles
3 goals 2 behinds

Seems a long time ago these games, shame they were only this year? people seem to distant themselves from the real facts dont they.

Let him come to terms with our game plan, the club is bigger than the individual, but he is a club champion and one who should be left to do this on his own terms.

 

[bacon buster]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

club is bigger than the individual, doesn't matter who it is

hird got away with making his own call, because he could still have a massive influence on games. lloyd can't really do that anymore

the last game i really feel he made a massive impact on, was the carlton game. maybe the hawks game. the sydney game he was ok.

 

[FBDonkey]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7020

Lloyd will be signed by the end of next week.

That article certainly does not say Lloyd will be signed by the end of the week. Its basically just Knights repeating what he has said before and that is:
Lloyd will not be played at full forward. If he wants to play on he has to understand this and be prepared to sacrifice his own desire for goals for the development of the team.

Maybe if Lloyd hadnt been injured so seriously, he might have still had the pace to play up the ground but Lloyd is a FULL FORWARD, and a FF only. He will not be given the chance to play this role at essendon in 2010 so he should just leave (preferably to another club)

 

[FBDonkey]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

Seems a long time ago these games, shame they were only this year? people seem to distant themselves from the real facts dont they.

Lloyd played 18 games this season and maybe only 4 good games, whereas he was very quiet in at least 8 of the games. Using 2 games where he did ok to justify him playing in 2010 seems a bit of a stretch to me.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

Lloyd played 18 games this season and maybe only 4 good games, whereas he was very quiet in at least 8 of the games. Using 2 games where he did ok to justify him playing in 2010 seems a bit of a stretch to me.

How many good games did Neagle and Gumbleton put together?

Zero.

Fact is we still need him next year, as our forward line is well short of the rest of our development. And no, having Neagle get like two kicks a week in the AFL is not beneficial for his development. Fitness and confidence are, which he can get in the VFL.

 

[FBDonkey]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

How many good games did Neagle and Gumbleton put together?

Zero.

Fact is we still need him next year, as our forward line is well short of the rest of our development. And no, having Neagle get like two kicks a week in the AFL is not beneficial for his development. Fitness and confidence are, which he can get in the VFL.

Poor post.

Firstly, Gumby didnt play this year and Neagle is not expected to dominate yet. Neagle is being given a chance to improve and Gumby a chance to recover.
Note that it is not just these two competiting for forward line spots next year. Hurley, Hille, Ryder and Daniher will also be in the mix.

Secondly, do you even know how our VFL side went this year? They failed to win a game and had a percentage of 54. How is a full forward supposed to develop and gain confidence in a team like that? It would be more like him just standing around getting cold.

 

[eb075]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

club is bigger than the individual, doesn't matter who it is

A club is made up of it's history. One of the things I love most about Essendon has been the way it embraces it's great and proud history. Great players have made this club what it is. Lloyd is one of those and deserves his chance to go out the way he wants. Premierships are the all important goal that we all strive for but not far behind that is being able to be proud to say you barrack for a great club. We do not struggle week after week to fill stadiums, nor do we throw bags of money around willy-nilly to buy flags or harbour criminals. We do things like being the first with a hall of fame.

A club may be "bigger than the individual" but it is also made up of great individuals. There have not been many 1000 goal goal kickers in the game and, maybe he'll now miss it, BUT if it does happen, I'd rather it be in an Essendon jumper than any other.

I know this is an old-fashioned view but it's still what makes Essendon stand above the rest IMO.

 

[saladin]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

lloydy missing the 1000 goal mark - if he does miss it - is due almost entirely to the hamstring of the bone issue.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

Poor post.

Firstly, Gumby didnt play this year and Neagle is not expected to dominate yet. Neagle is being given a chance to improve and Gumby a chance to recover.
Note that it is not just these two competiting for forward line spots next year. Hurley, Hille, Ryder and Daniher will also be in the mix.

Secondly, do you even know how our VFL side went this year? They failed to win a game and had a percentage of 54. How is a full forward supposed to develop and gain confidence in a team like that? It would be more like him just standing around getting cold.

It was not a poor post, it was just the facts. We got nothing from Neagle or Gumbleton this year and we are a chance of the same thing occuring next year.

None of the players you mentioned are forwards, they are two ruckmen and two young key-defenders. The fact that we would even need to play them forward highlights our shortage of key forwards.

As for your VFL point, fair enough, but you could play Lloyd and Neagle if you had to and Neagle would therefore get the 2nd defender, allowing him a better opportunity.

The fact is we were a better team when Lloyd was playing well, it's no surprise that our form fell away as Lloyd's did with injury. I know future planning and youth are the AFL buzz-words these days, but if we fail to make the finals next year then we have taken a massive step backwards, and if we fail to fill this void in our forward line we will not make the finals.
Lloyd is required simple as that. We cannot simply cross our fingers and hope that Gumbleton and Neagle start to dominate.

 

[Synth]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

What does Lloyd want more?

To be FF kicking goals (at another club)
or
To be CHF helping in the development of the club that has got him to where he is today.


Whatever the decision, I think we win.

 

[FBDonkey]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

None of the players you mentioned are forwards, they are two ruckmen and two young key-defenders. The fact that we would even need to play them forward highlights our shortage of key forwards.

Ryder and Hille are too good to sit on the bench when not rucking so between them they make a forward. With Fletch, Pears and Hooker manning the backline, that makes Daniher and Hurley forwards. Both these players have spent time at CHB and CHF but would be more damaging as forwards.

Neagle is very much like Lloyd. He can only play full forward. So if Lloyd is FF where does Neagle play to take the 2nd defender? Of if Neagle is FF where does Lloyd play?

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

Ryder and Hille are too good to sit on the bench when not rucking so between them they make a forward. With Fletch, Pears and Hooker manning the backline, that makes Daniher and Hurley forwards. Both these players have spent time at CHB and CHF but would be more damaging as forwards.

Neagle is very much like Lloyd. He can only play full forward. So if Lloyd is FF where does Neagle play to take the 2nd defender? Of if Neagle is FF where does Lloyd play?

If Neagle finds form you play Lloyd from a flank. In Neagle is struggling you play him from a pocket. Two leading forwards is not overkill.

 

[beev]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

Knights wants Lloyd to play on in 2010

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7022

“The coach told Lloyd he wants him to play on next year," Hamilton said.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/news.asp?nid=7022

 

[daffo]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

He still has a huge influence on the ground. It's not just his poss/goal count, but his presence on the ground.
If we are playing the Bulldogs Lake will stick with him the whole game. If he isn't Lake will be running off Neagle etc and getting 25 touches.

Lloyd should and will play on next year.

 

[The Donners]

Re: Knights: There is a playing role for Lloyd in 2010

Hasn't he had all year to think about it?

If he still needs more time to think about it then the offer given by Knights isn't what he wanted or he was going to call it quits but the offer was too good to refuse and he wanted to speak with Lisa again.

The thing about Lloyd is that if he plays on next year, he's going to give it 110%. Good on ya Lloydy!

 

[nighthawk]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Seems incredibly unlikely now:

The Australian: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26050776-2722,00.html

Meanwhile, Collingwood yesterday denied it would recruit Essendon captain Matthew Lloyd after a media report linked him to the Magpies should he end his career with the Bombers. Collingwood assistant coach Mark Neeld said it would be highly unlikely that Lloyd's name would even be mentioned by the Pies in list management and recruiting discussions.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26050776-2722,00.html

There's more too. And apologies if that was improperly referenced.