Meesen

[malvern]

The rumours won't go away that Meesen wants to come home - do we want him and what could we give Adelade (that they would want - ie not Gardiner or McCarthy!) to get him??

 

[jo172]

If Meesen were to want a ticket home I think we'd be wanting a first rounder for him or maybe from Geelong someone like Andrew Mackie + a second or third rounder, but I'm not in charge of recruiting.

 

[brett_go_cats]

If Meesen were to want a ticket home I think we'd be wanting a first rounder for him or maybe from Geelong someone like Andrew Mackie + a second or third rounder, but I'm not in charge of recruiting.

hell no, you can keep him then

 

[ablett5]

If Meesen were to want a ticket home I think we'd be wanting a first rounder for him or maybe from Geelong someone like Andrew Mackie + a second or third rounder, but I'm not in charge of recruiting.

straight swap for stokes he's played more senior footy

 

[DBAH0]

I'd offer our 2nd round pick, and a fringe player like Callan or Gardiner.

If they want Mackie, I say no thanks, and possibly draft Leunberger with our 1st pick instead.

 

[rizzo]

Playfair + 4th rounder for Meesen?

 

[Turbocat]

If Meesen were to want a ticket home I think we'd be wanting a first rounder for him or maybe from Geelong someone like Andrew Mackie + a second or third rounder, but I'm not in charge of recruiting.

And just like last year ,with Watts , how do you fancy him going to Carlton for nothing? They pick him Pre-Season and you get stuff all for the R1 pick of yours. It will depend on where Messen prefers to go,(he is a local so who knows) how much competition there is for his services , I’m sure he would garner attention but I think the Crows are not in a position of Power(They probably should have picked Woods).
Mackie and a 2nd rounder , I think not!(R3 is not on the table for anyone this year)
Both a R1 picks, one has played a bit of senior footy and in the last month has shown he is starting to develop into a player that would justify that pick. Meesen is Ruck but he has proved nothing at the moment. Maybe straight swap if our guys think Meesen is that good but there are big wraps on the kid Leuenberger in the draft and we would not need both.
Some guys seem to think you've got quite a few guys getting old maybe a guy like Enright would interest you. What about Meesen and your 2nd or 3rd pick for Enright

 

[nananana catman]

Giving away a good round pick for a kid that wants to move and was a first round pick has a habit of backfiring on clubs.

I wouldnt give away our first pick, perhaps our second though.

cites Barry Brooks and Fergus Watts.

 

[catempire]

Second round pick.

 

[catempire]

What about Meesen and your 2nd or 3rd pick for Enright

Turbo, we're not going to trade a bloke who'll probably finish top 5 in our B&F for a player who hasn't yet played a game. Just not going to happen.

We'll take Meeson, but only for the right price.

 

[Cats!!]

Turbo, we're not going to trade a bloke who'll probably finish top 5 in our B&F for a player who hasn't yet played a game. Just not going to happen.

We'll take Meeson, but only for the right price.

I don't think we have that right price, or we want to give it away.

 

[catempire]

I don't think we have that right price, or we want to give it away.

I agree.

 

[Stoney]

he hasnt done didly squat since he's been at the Crows ... in saying that we should make a play for him given Blake is worse than our last ruckman (Street) and from what Iv heard West doesn't look much better.

 

[Turbocat]

Turbo, we're not going to trade a bloke who'll probably finish top 5 in our B&F for a player who hasn't yet played a game. Just not going to happen.

We'll take Meeson, but only for the right price.

I doubt that it would happen and infact I really only threw that in without too much thought but I feel Enrights value is probably debatable.

Yes he may finish in out top5 B&F , yes he is a reliable player but maybe if we are to improve we need to be willing to go a step backwards. We need more speed and better skill rebounding from half back and I dont think this is Corey's strength. He most likely wont get traded but if we could get the Crows 2nd round pick ( say around mid 30's )maybe pick up a kid like Travis Boak,Ricky Petterd or Jackson Sheringham plus a young ruck that was considered good enough to go in a top10, to me that would be a reasonable deal. They get a player ready to go , we in 2 years would have a couple of players that would be a chance to be in our best22.

Maybe as we have discussed before , my preference for topping up our rucks slants my views but the chance to get a better ruck division is worth a little pain , IMO. Maybe not this deal but something like it.

 

[DanA]

I doubt that it would happen and infact I really only threw that in without too much thought but I feel Enrights value is probably debatable.

Yes he may finish in out top5 B&F , yes he is a reliable player but maybe if we are to improve we need to be willing to go a step backwards. We need more speed and better skill rebounding from half back and I dont think this is Corey's strength. He most likely wont get traded but if we could get the Crows 2nd round pick ( say around mid 30's )maybe pick up a kid like Travis Boak,Ricky Petterd or Jackson Sheringham plus a young ruck that was considered good enough to go in a top10, to me that would be a reasonable deal. They get a player ready to go , we in 2 years would have a couple of players that would be a chance to be in our best22.

Maybe as we have discussed before , my preference for topping up our rucks slants my views but the chance to get a better ruck division is worth a little pain , IMO. Maybe not this deal but something like it.

Enright & Playfair for Meeson & 1st round. Both clubs would be winners IMO

 

[costanza23]

We wont be getting rid of Enright. Kelly maybe.

 

[finrod]

I still say screw it... we have 4 ruckmen on our list - don't need any more, and if we do, we should draft one as a rookie.

 

[Jack-Packenham]

Trade Steven King

 

[catempire]

I doubt that it would happen and infact I really only threw that in without too much thought but I feel Enrights value is probably debatable.

Yes he may finish in out top5 B&F , yes he is a reliable player but maybe if we are to improve we need to be willing to go a step backwards. We need more speed and better skill rebounding from half back and I dont think this is Corey's strength. He most likely wont get traded but if we could get the Crows 2nd round pick ( say around mid 30's )maybe pick up a kid like Travis Boak,Ricky Petterd or Jackson Sheringham plus a young ruck that was considered good enough to go in a top10, to me that would be a reasonable deal. They get a player ready to go , we in 2 years would have a couple of players that would be a chance to be in our best22.

Maybe as we have discussed before , my preference for topping up our rucks slants my views but the chance to get a better ruck division is worth a little pain , IMO. Maybe not this deal but something like it.

Turbo, you may be right about needing to go a step backwards. That doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Enright is not critical to our future success but he is a very, very, very solid and handy performer. I don't think people are aware how useful he is to this club. His value to us is much greater than a second round pick.

I stress to everyone again. When you trade a player you must have a very strong conviction that what you are getting in return will turn out being better for you than what you are giving up.

Getting another ruckman is not our priority. Getting speed through the midfield and off half back is. Another young key defender and another young key forward would also be ahead of getting another ruckman.

For that reason, we won't be moving heaven and earth to get Meeson. If the Crows will take our second pick or our 4th pick and a player like Gardiner, then the deal might get done. Otherwise, he's no use to us. Personally, I think Adelaide will want more than this and therefore we're virtually no chance to get Meeson.

As an aside, I'd like to Rookie a ruckman but I wouldn't want to see 5 ruckman on our senior list.

 

[Rosso]

Turbo, you may be right about needing to go a step backwards. That doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Enright is not critical to our future success but he is a very, very, very solid and handy performer. I don't think people are aware how useful he is to this club. His value to us is much greater than a second round pick.

I stress to everyone again. When you trade a player you must have a very strong conviction that what you are getting in return will turn out being better for you than what you are giving up.

Getting another ruckman is not our priority. Getting speed through the midfield and off half back is. Another young key defender and another young key forward would also be ahead of getting another ruckman.

For that reason, we won't be moving heaven and earth to get Meeson. If the Crows will take our second pick or our 4th pick and a player like Gardiner, then the deal might get done. Otherwise, he's no use to us. Personally, I think Adelaide will want more than this and therefore we're virtually no chance to get Meeson.

As an aside, I'd like to Rookie a ruckman but I wouldn't want to see 5 ruckman on our senior list.

It will come down to the fact that if he wants to come home to Geelong then the Crows will have to decide if they want to risk letting him go for nothing by demanding over the odds or see what they can get for a trade from us if that's the club of his choice.

We are NOT desperate for a ruckman so we wont be sending them James Kelly or Corey Enright or even Andrew Mackie. Meeson may've played OK in the SANFL but our second round pick in a great draft shouldn't be traded for a guy who has played the same amount of AFL games that I have.

Blake has shown that he is better than VFL standard while Otto & Kingy are AFL ruckmen. West was drafted with the knowledge that he was at least 3 years away so give the kid the time he deserves.

The Crows can take Kent (with Trent Potential being a write off for 2007), but considering he's been our leading goals scorer for 3 of the past 4 seasons, they can sweeten the deal with a third rounder as well. Before you laugh it off, remember, if Meeson wants to come to Geelong (opposed from Geelong desperatly wanting Meeson) then we have the upper hand.

 

[catempire]

Generally agree with that Rosso. The only thing I'd say is that we would probably consider giving away our second round pick for Meeson considering that he was a 1st round pick and has now had a number of years in the system.

 

[year of the cat]

Generally agree with that Rosso. The only thing I'd say is that we would probably consider giving away our second round pick for Meeson considering that he was a 1st round pick and has now had a number of years in the system.

I like the idea of including Kingsley in a trade involving Meeson. If we were to offer Kingsley plus 4th round pick or Kingsley plus a player the crows may take it particularly with Henshall going down and them being at "1 o'clock" on the premiership clock. Kingsley provides them with a mature forward who can step straight in - they may back themselves to do another Kris Massie and resurect his career with a change in environment.

 

[GoSarge]

Whilst I realise Meesen hasn't played any AFL games yet, in the last 6 weeks he has :

1) Stepped up as the number 1 ruckman for Norwood
2) Reeled off some impressive numbers (approx 15 HO and 15 possies p/g)
3) Enjoyed 2 years of physical and mental development
4) Enjoyed 2 years of specialised ruck coaching

Probably the only reason he hasnt played AFL is the fact that the AFC are having a tilt at the flag and are going with Biglands and Clarke in the lead up to the finals. Had he been on, say, Brisbanes list instead of Wood, he probably would be racking up the same sort of numbers.

I'm not going to come on here and start suggesting you should hand over 2 first rounders, but all things considered, I think some of the suggestions on here as to what he is worth are just a little absurd. As far as ruckmen are concerned, and considering where the AFC are in terms of the premiership clock, his development IMO is right on schedule.

If you don't want him, then you could always opt for Leunberger and spend the time and money developing him over the next 2 years yourself. You'd also have to give up your first rounder to get him (which could be spent on Meesen).

 

[Turbocat]

Turbo, you may be right about needing to go a step backwards. That doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Enright is not critical to our future success but he is a very, very, very solid and handy performer. I don't think people are aware how useful he is to this club. His value to us is much greater than a second round pick.

I stress to everyone again. When you trade a player you must have a very strong conviction that what you are getting in return will turn out being better for you than what you are giving up.

Getting another ruckman is not our priority. Getting speed through the midfield and off half back is. Another young key defender and another young key forward would also be ahead of getting another ruckman.

For that reason, we won't be moving heaven and earth to get Meeson. If the Crows will take our second pick or our 4th pick and a player like Gardiner, then the deal might get done. Otherwise, he's no use to us. Personally, I think Adelaide will want more than this and therefore we're virtually no chance to get Meeson.

As an aside, I'd like to Rookie a ruckman but I wouldn't want to see 5 ruckman on our senior list.

A debate is always interesting with you CE.

We disagree but we are not far away from each other. I rate Enright as well but I just think his position is one we can cover and in fact one we have to improve in. The thing that drives me towards , in your mind , over stocking our Rucks is I place a very high value on the tallest midfielder on the ground. The general shortage of quality in this area is shown in the price what the Dogs paid for Street ,what the Swans paid for Chambers and what we paid for Ottens. I agree with having a Rookie Ruckman, lets have a look for a couple of years and if we like him, well , we can put him on the list and if we don’t like him try again. West almost could have been a Rookie , he seems a long way off. Long term we should always have one Rookie ruckman but I do feel we may need the services of a ruckman far earlier than a Rookie will be able to supply it.

For those who say getting another ruckmen is not our priority , I totally disagree. Our midfield is getting flogged and we lack a leader who is young and fit, a big man who is not playing thru pain, struggling against his body but is jumping with exuberance. Somebody who get their hands to the ball and give our mids a chance to trust their ruckman to win the contest as well as someone capable of making distance around the ground, having the stamina to give and give, capable of being an option for a pass and can finish the work with good disposal himself. In essence a Cox type and I don’t see anyone on our list who is even close to the full package. In fact I don’t see anyone who I have the confidence to say they will be able to ruck 65 quarters of match winning football in a season.

Whether Meesen is the ruckmen we want, I cant say. He was rated by Adelaide , that’s for sure. To go past Woods a local to take him and risk the go home factor they must have thought high of him. He has been playing in the second best comp in Aust so at the very minimum he has already put in the equal of two years in the VFL. If he's the talent we want he should be close to being ready.

If he is the one then trading a half back flanker for a future ruckman and draft pick that could basically enable you to draft another half back flanker is not a bad deal. Hey if you could get it done for Charlie and R4 then great but if he is that good there may be a few others interested.
If he is not the one then Id be happy enough to take Leuenberger a kid who is playing against men in WA , who may be far less ready but looks to be spot on for our needs.

 

[Turbocat]

If you don't want him, then you could always opt for Leunberger and spend the time and money developing him over the next 2 years yourself. You'd also have to give up your first rounder to get him (which could be spent on Meesen).

The thing you must remember is other clubs will take him for nothing. If not Ess , the Car.If not Carlton then Haw. Somebody would take him have no fear and then you get zilch for those two years of grooming. He is not worth a pick in the top10 this year because he is not in the same draft, simple as that.All in the same draft it would be interesting to see where he went but he will not be in the National draft , he will be in the Pre-Season draft. This de-values him and any other player that doesnt make it into the senior side withing the first two years. Maybe this year you should look at SA kids or you may just be facing the same thing in two years time.