Melbourne: what do we make of them

[tigers_of_old_08]

And what about the 10 years after that?

You’re not happy with 3 flags???

 

[Blackas87]

Such a weird rationalisation. You had pick 6 and you traded it. Why are you telling yourself a story where this didn't happen?

Another poster said pick 6 was a 50/50 bet. It's one of the strange rationalisations about this trade, which I'm referencing collectively and not to you specifically.

The calculation to trade an early pick for a readymade player because Melbourne felt they were close enough to pull the trigger. And come what may regarding the kids you left on the table.

Instead you tie yourself into a pretzel by saying it was a straight swap for Hogan.

You traded pick 6. It's fine. Clubs make those decisions all the time. But I don't understand why you insist that didn't happen.

Melbourne’s long term plan was to be close to contending around this period.

They tradedpick 6 after having it for 20 minutes.

Melbourne wanted the contracted May but didn’t have a top 10 pick which Gold Coast wanted.

Melbourne feeling like they were overstocked on Key forwards with Weideman playing well during finals and Mcdonald coming off a 50 goal season felt Hogan could get them the pieces to satisfy Gold Coast.

Melbourne had the pick for 20 minutes. They weren’t sitting around for 20 minutes saying King or Butters, King or Butters, hang on a sec let’s get an experienced defender in May.

The plan was to trade Hogan to get the pick to trade for May. This was spoken in the media well before trade week started.

 

[Trav 20]

Melbourne gave up a lot for May, but they wouldn't have got him for any less. They paid the price required.

He also happens to be the best key defender we've had in my long time following the Dees. Easily. May, together with Lever and Tomlinson give us a genuine shot.

List management is all about balance. Melbourne had 8 top 10 picks (including Viney who was bid on with a top 10 in his draft year) run out against Richmond. Weideman, another top 10 draft pick, is also in the mix. Add Picket (12) and Lever (14) and almost half the team were chosen in the ND within the top 15.

When weighing up trading for a player like May the club's list managers obviously take all these things into account. It's not like we're bereft of draft picks at the pointy end. It wouldn't have been worth it for some clubs, but I was happy at the time the club made the May call.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Melbourne’s long term plan was to be close to contending around this period.

They tradedpick 6 after having it for 20 minutes.

Melbourne wanted the contracted May but didn’t have a top 10 pick which Gold Coast wanted.

Melbourne feeling like they were overstocked on Key forwards with Weideman playing well during finals and Mcdonald coming off a 50 goal season felt Hogan could get them the pieces to satisfy Gold Coast.

Melbourne had the pick for 20 minutes. They weren’t sitting around for 20 minutes saying King or Butters, King or Butters, hang on a sec let’s get an experienced defender in May.

The plan was to trade Hogan to get the pick to trade for May. This was spoken in the media well before trade week started.

How does this refute anything I've said?

You acquired pick 6 and you traded it for May. Which part of that is in dispute?

 

[Blackas87]

How does this refute anything I've said?

You acquired pick 6 and you traded it for May. Which part of that is in dispute?

I haven’t disputed that.

I clearly stated we traded it after 20 minutes of having it.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Melbourne gave up a lot for May, but they wouldn't have got him for any less. They paid the price required.

He also happens to be the best key defender we've had in my long time following the Dees. Easily. May, together with Lever and Tomlinson give us a genuine shot.

List management is all about balance. Melbourne had 8 top 10 picks (including Viney who was bid on with a top 10 in his draft year) run out against Richmond. Weideman, another top 10 draft pick, is also in the mix. Add Picket (12) and Lever (14) and almost half the team were chosen in the ND within the top 15.

When weighing up trading for a player like May the club's list managers obviously take all these things into account. It's not like we're bereft of draft picks at the pointy end. It wouldn't have been worth it for some clubs, but I was happy at the time the club made the May call.

That's fine. I don't disagree with any of that. But in any assessment of that trade you still have to consider what you left on the table by trading pick 6. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I haven’t disputed that.

I clearly stated we traded it after 20 minutes of having it.

In a previous post you said the trade was May for Hogan. It wasn't. You acquired pick 6 and traded it for May (plus Kolo). No ifs or buts.

 

[Blackas87]

In a previous post you said the trade was May for Hogan. It wasn't. You acquired pick 6 and traded it for May (plus Kolo). No ifs or buts.

That post does not say the trade was Hogan for May.

It says Melbourne traded Hogan for May. Melbourne needed the pieces to satisfy Gold Coast to acquire May. They would not of trade Hogan if they couldn’t get those pieces

They only got pick 6 to bring in May, they had it for 20 minutes.

Melbourne would not of traded the contracted Hogan out if they could not get May

Melbourne traded Hogan for May.

I’ve also not said pick 6 was 50/50 bet, not sure why you’re referencing this to me. Melbourne though never had intentions to use it in the draft. What’s to own?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

That post does not say the trade was Hogan for May.

It says Melbourne traded Hogan for May.

Are you high? Those are literally the same thing.

And they are incorrect. Melbourne traded pick 6 for May.

 

[afterburner]

Did I miss the bit where this thread was changed to the Steven May trade recap?

 

[Blackas87]

Are you high? Those are literally the same thing.

And they are incorrect. Melbourne traded pick 6 for May.

I’ve never disputed that, are you high? because you clearly missed the first line in the post you tagged where I said Melbourne got pick 6 for May.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I’ve never disputed that, are you high? because you clearly missed the first line in the post you tagged where I said Melbourne got pick 6 for May.

So why do you keep saying that Melbourne traded Hogan for May when they didn't?

 

[Blackas87]

So why do you keep saying that Melbourne traded Hogan for May when they didn't?

Melbourne’s reasoning for trading Hogan was to bring in May.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Melbourne’s reasoning for trading Hogan was to bring in May.

That's not the same thing.

WC's reasoning for recruiting Tom Hickey was the departure of Scott Lycett. I guess that means we traded Lycett for Hickey?

 

[Blackas87]

That's not the same thing.

WC's reasoning to recruiting Tom Hickey was the departure of Scott Lycett. I guess that means we traded Lycett for Hickey?

Yes it is, they traded Hogan to get the pieces to trade for May.

Melbourne traded Hogan to get May

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Did I miss the bit where this thread was changed to the Steven May trade recap?

Some people flipped out when I suggested the price paid for May would be assessed partially against the careers of the kids available at that pick 6. Apparently such a comparison is unreasonable.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Yes it is, they traded Hogan to get the pieces to trade for May.

Melbourne traded Hogan to get May

These were separate trades. You've lost your marbles.

 

[afterburner]

These were separate trades. You've lost your marbles.

Boring…..

 

[Blackas87]

These were separate trades. You've lost your marbles.

I think you’re lost. I clearly stated Melbourne traded pick 6 after receiving it 20 minutes earlier.

 

[Trav 20]

That's fine. I don't disagree with any of that. But in any assessment of that trade you still have to consider what you left on the table by trading pick 6. That's all I'm saying.

That's a bit like saying ''water is wet''.

It's obvious that clubs give those considerations to every trade.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I think you’re lost. I clearly stated Melbourne traded pick 6 after receiving it 20 minutes earlier.

And then in a heartbeat you flick back to saying something different.

That's a bit like saying ''water is wet''.

It's obvious that clubs give those considerations to every trade.

You'd think so. But apparently some of your fellow travellers aren't cool with it.

 

[Blackas87]

And then in a heartbeat you flick back to saying something different.

You'd think so. But apparently some of your fellow travellers aren't cool with it.

I’ve never said anything different. You’re just getting confused

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I’ve never said anything different. You’re just getting confused

You've said repeatedly that Melbourne traded Hogan for May, before changing your mind before changing it back.

 

[afterburner]

Theres two teams 6 and 0.

Melbourne has beaten the teams placed 4th, 6th, 7th and 14th, 15th and 16th. BigFooty, “they’ve beaten no one, dream run, easy draw”…

Bulldogs have beaten the teams placed 8th, 10th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 18th. BigFooty, “dominant, unstoppable midfield, premiership favourite”…

Melbourne is going along nicely.

 

[bjwilliams]

You forewent the opportunity to draft King, Smith or Butters.

You might say that's fair enough, it was worth it. But to say you didn't forego anything is simply not true.

Haven’t been involved in this chat at all. But I’m confused reading pages and pages of this about what your point is exactly?

• Are you saying we should’ve kept the pick? That we’d be better off with someone from the draft instead of May in 2021?
• Are you saying May was the wrong person to trade for?
• Melbourne might rue the trade in 10 years if Butters is a star?
  
  

Like, I don’t get what the point of talking about this trade actually is in the context of Melbourne right now?