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What you and many others are engaging in is propensity reasoning.
Propensity reasoning is antithetical to justice.
As a result, propensity reasoning is assigned zero value in our judicial system.

One reason the magistrative fraternity despises propensity reasoning is because it asks them to have a sense of accountability for their decision making. To treat each event in isolation and not draw past events into consideration when determining sentencing is a flawed approach and places zero value on future victims. It’s like saying “nobody told us this could happen” when it was a clear possibility.

It is why your average person loses faith in courts and sentencing - the gulf between community expectations and magistrates decision making has never been wider.

Regards

S. Pete
 
One reason the magistrative fraternity despises propensity reasoning is because it asks them to have a sense of accountability for their decision making. To treat each event in isolation and not draw past events into consideration when determining sentencing is a flawed approach and places zero value on future victims. It’s like saying “nobody told us this could happen” when it was a clear possibility.

It is why your average person loses faith in courts and sentencing - the gulf between community expectations and magistrates decision making has never been wider.

Regards

S. Pete

LOL.
What a completely moronic post.
 
What you and many others are engaging in is propensity reasoning.
Propensity reasoning is antithetical to justice.
As a result, propensity reasoning is assigned zero value in our judicial system.
Propensity reasoning does seem to be a key factor in assessing occupational violence in health care - specifically aggression alerts which then make some wards refuse to take patients/ require security specials. It probably is not fair but it is impossible to convince that for nursing who often have had history of verbal and sometimes physical abuse by patients and families
 
Propensity reasoning does seem to be a key factor in assessing occupational violence in health care - specifically aggression alerts which then make some wards refuse to take patients/ require security specials. It probably is not fair but it is impossible to convince that for nursing who often have had history of verbal and sometimes physical abuse by patients and families
aren't drugs a huge factor too?
 

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Yes they are; but I was more making the point that outside of the justice system that propensity reasoning is common and incorporated into risk assessment - simply put as "if you have a history of violence and aggression, you are likely to repeat violence and aggression" which has potential impacts of staff treating a person differently (which could provoke aggression) but at other times, if the alert is not present (say it was known to a different part of the health service but not transcribed to local notes) and aggression occurs, the staff often complain "why was the alert not present"
 
Propensity reasoning does seem to be a key factor in assessing occupational violence in health care - specifically aggression alerts which then make some wards refuse to take patients/ require security specials. It probably is not fair but it is impossible to convince that for nursing who often have had history of verbal and sometimes physical abuse by patients and families

There are exceptions in the judicial system to the use of propensity reasoning.
Bikie laws, anti-terrorism laws etc.

Let's say one time you are caught speeding by the po-po.
Then another time they spot your vehicle and issue you with another speeding fine despite you not speeding on this occasion and their reason for fining you for speeding is that you were caught speeding before.

Is this something that you would want to see?

The judicial system is a process, not a result.
Convicting & punishing people based on something other than evidence is the most moronic idea imaginable.
It's moronic because if the judicial system can convict and punish people based on something other than evidence it renders the entire judicial system useless. Why would we need a judicial system if people can be convicted and punished on feels?
If you want an idea into what happens when people start getting convicted and punished on feels take a look at Trump's America.
 
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There are exceptions in the judicial system to the use of propensity reasoning.
Bikie laws, anti-terrorism laws etc.

Let's say one time you are caught speeding by the po-po.
Then another time they spot your vehicle and issue you with another speeding fine despite you not speeding on this occasion and their reason for fining you for speeding is that you were caught speeding before.

Is this something that you would want to see?

The judicial system is a process, not a result.
Convicting & punishing people based on something other than evidence is the most moronic idea imaginable.
It's moronic because if the judicial system can convict and punish people based on something other than evidence renders the entire judicial system useless. Why would we need a judicial system if people can be convicted and punished on feels?
If you want an idea into what happens when people start getting convicted and punished on feels take a look at Trump's America.
No I agree with you as far as the judicial system goes

I suppose I was trying to make the point that individuals and organisations outside of the judicial system do use propensity reasoning a lot in their lives. Which leads to public perceptions (in this case, Sudanese youth) working via similar methods of propensity reasoning.

And yes I realise that it is short step from that to racism.
 
No I agree with you as far as the judicial system goes

I suppose I was trying to make the point that individuals and organisations outside of the judicial system do use propensity reasoning a lot in their lives. Which leads to public perceptions (in this case, Sudanese youth) working via similar methods of propensity reasoning.

And yes I realise that it is short step from that to racism.

Thanks for the clarification.

In the late 80's/early 90's 'tough on crime' was all the rage.
The po-po started serving warrants and putting people in jail for defaulting on things like traffic fines.
All was going swimmingly until a young dude got beaten to within an inch of his life in prison, after he was put in prison for a defaulting on a parking ticket. As a result people started howling at the moon about the govt locking up people for not paying traffic fines, so they had to change the law.
 
All the dirtbag racists are out on this bigoted thread.
You’re clearly way out of your depth. It takes honesty and maturity on the part of the police force to recognise a problem exists within a particular demographic within the community. Only when this has been acknowledged can measures be put in place to address the issues. What riles the larger community is when the powers that be tip toe around what everyone knows to be true- in this case the issue of Sudanese gangs and the associated criminal activities the are involved in.

To somehow brand an increasing large section of the community as bigoted and racist because voice concerns over what is happening, is a corrosive ploy. Not only is it an attempt to hijack a debate through shaming those you disagree with, it denies agency to the community in question. The last thing Australia wants is a situation similar to the UK where large swathes of the population perceive a two tier justice system when it comes to policing.
 
You’re clearly way out of your depth. It takes honesty and maturity on the part of the police force to recognise a problem exists within a particular demographic within the community. Only when this has been acknowledged can measures be put in place to address the issues. What riles the larger community is when the powers that be tip toe around what everyone knows to be true- in this case the issue of Sudanese gangs and the associated criminal activities the are involved in.

To somehow brand an increasing large section of the community as bigoted and racist because voice concerns over what is happening, is a corrosive ploy. Not only is it an attempt to hijack a debate through shaming those you disagree with, it denies agency to the community in question. The last thing Australia wants is a situation similar to the UK where large swathes of the population perceive a two tier justice system when it comes to policing.
The same honesty and maturity from the Sunshine police force that had stubby holders in their office, especially made , with the racial slur 'mudfish' written on them?


To your other points, not all posters on this thread are as fair minded as you say.
 
The same honesty and maturity from the Sunshine police force that had stubby holders in their office, especially made , with the racial slur 'mudfish' written on them?


To your other points, not all posters on this thread are as fair minded as you say.
The police in question were sacked were they not? Which was appropriate in that instance. Which, by the way has nothing to do with my previous assertion, unless you’re pinning the behaviour of the aforementioned gangs on racism within the police force.
 
The police in question were sacked were they not? Which was appropriate in that instance. Which, by the way has nothing to do with my previous assertion, unless you’re pinning the behaviour of the aforementioned gangs on racism within the police force.
I didn't mention the police . I'm sure some are doing a good job, but admit there is a lot a racism around this issue from politicians, media and the general public.
 

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Just assumed it was a guy because it was a violent crime?

Hadn't read anything or seen footage?
Anyway just another moronic bail choice that has ended with another innocent citizen being traumatised for life. Hopefully the said offender will finish their PHD or Engineers degree.
What's the bold about?
 
I mean that’s why we keep giving bail. So we don’t ruin these criminals lives and let them become fantastic members of society
It's amazing how you can't just talk straight on any issue
 

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