Prediction Michael Barlow

[Wood_Duck]

The club spun that we intended on going into the draft with 13 and relying on organic growth because of all the talent we have in the wings, the change to that was Gibbs almost falling in our laps, cough cough, bullshit.

When that failed we said don't worry we always planned on backing our organic growth, no big deal.

Basically making shit up.

 

[Mattrox]

How about declare we're not interested in him because we're backing in our youth and organic growth? Would at least be consistent with what we said a week ago.

What if we declare that he'll be a grwat fit for our young midfield and back him in?

 

[Carmo]

Actually BigFooty decoded is shit posting like this.

I hope we dont get Barlow and I won't give a shit if we don't make the deal happen. I believe this view would be shared by those that don't want him.

But somehow making up shit like above is supposed to be quality posting?

Carmo is the above an example of sensible shit?

Because to me as irritating you might find people complaining over club failings, it's posters making shit up that irritates me.

Yesterday we had an example of Johnny Rutten complaining that there were posters complaining that we didn't give up 2 firsts for Gibbs and instead going for Barlow. This has not been the case but he got some backslaps, for what? Making up shit.

O poor old offended elite crow

I'm sorry, that between 20 of my good analyses, I spend a second to reflect on the qualities of the bigfooty collective and did one little post explictising it. I will just stick to 100% good analyses from now on to keep you happy and of course I will have to accept your 19/20 shitposts rate without complaint.

Are you going to vehemently argue there is no damned if they do, damned if they don't captain hindsight mentality are you? Good, can't wait to see this proof.

People can complain all they want, but they need to pick up their quality control or all I will do is use there stuff as fair game, for example, complain, but do it in the form of predictions, so they can't hide behind captain hindsight changing the goal posts bullshit, also, before you complain, gather some data to confirm your complaints.

I'll give you one that got on my goat this morning, Drugs Are Bad Mackay? was complaining, like many others do, about internal appointments, in another thread I think it was. Did he go thru our coaching staff and admin staff and recent appointments and break them up into internal vs non internal? Dunno if he did or not, but I did a quick tally in my head:

Teague - external
ROK - external
Burton -external
Fagan - external
Walsh - external
Pyke - external
Milburn - external
Younie - external
even Pods - what 2 years and then into the role, hardly would say he's dyed in the wool adelaide. Noble TBA.
Thats a lot of coaching and key staff turnover in about 3 years, but no, we're full on internal jobs for the boys and leave them in those roles forever FFS. What would I know? I am just a ****** that actually collects data on things before posting about them, what a quaint stupid approach to take hey?

 

[Vader]

O poor old offended elite crow

I'm sorry, that between 20 of my good analyses, I spend a second to reflect on the qualities of the bigfooty collective and did one little post explictising it. I will just stick to 100% good analyses from now on to keep you happy and of course I will have to accept your 19/20 shitposts rate without complaint.

Are you going to vehemently argue there is no damned if they do, damned if they don't captain hindsight mentality are you? Good, can't wait to see this proof.

People can complain all they want, but they need to pick up their quality control or all I will do is use there stuff as fair game, for example, complain, but do it in the form of predictions, so they can't hide behind captain hindsight changing the goal posts bullshit, also, before you complain, gather some data to confirm your complaints.

I'll give you one that got on my goat this morning, Drugs Are Bad Mackay? was complaining, like many others do, about internal appointments, in another thread I think it was. Did he go thru our coaching staff and admin staff and recent appointments and break them up into internal vs non internal? Dunno if he did or not, but I did a quick tally in my head:

Teague - external
ROK - external
Burton -external
Fagan - external
Walsh - external
Pyke - external
Milburn - external
Younie - external
even Pods - what 2 years and then into the role, hardly would say he's dyed in the wool adelaide. Noble TBA.
Thats a lot of coaching and key staff turnover in about 3 years, but no, we're full on internal jobs for the boys and leave them in those roles forever FFS. What would I know? I am just a ****** that actually collects data on things before posting about them, what a quaint stupid approach to take hey?

Not sure that Burton & Pyke are completely external. Yes, they were recruited from other clubs, but both had long histories with Adelaide before moving away. Pyke was an assistant coach under Neil Craig. Burton played his entire career at Adelaide, before spending a couple of years at Brisbane.

That said, I do agree with the point that you're making.

 

[Vader]

Agree I don't think he wanted to play Henderson or perhaps even Lyons but he also wanted to be fair and reward good form with selection.

Cant worry too much about being fair and consistent with selection - its his team Pyke needs to pick the players he wants to play his gamestyle. Hopefully he goes with it from day 1 in 2017. No need to gift VB a few games or to give David Mackay a chance to prove himself again Pyke has seen it all firsthand now.

I think you're probably right about Henderson & Lyons. I think you're wrong about VB and Mackay.

I don't think VB was given a few games "to prove himself". He was selected because they thought he was the best player available in the SANFL, and they had a policy of selecting the best team (as distinct from BigFooty's most popular team). When he didn't perform (in 2 of his 3 games) he was dropped immediately.

Mackay's polling in the B&F, where he polled 3+ votes in almost every game he played, and averaged 6+ votes per game, indicates that the coaches were happy with how he was performing. He won't be dropped on that basis. He may, however, be replaced by a better option coming up from below. I think he was player 21-22 selected most weeks this year, and I'm hoping that Knight will overtake him next year. However, I think he will still be player 23-24 and will play more often than not (as Lyons did this year), due to injuries creating opportunities.

 

[Geoffa32]

So much angst for a side that finished fifth with seven players nominated in the u/22 AA squad.

I see the last two seasons as steps towards greatness. Not failures because we did not achieve greatness in those two years with a young list and three different head coaches.....

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[Paladin]

I think you're probably right about Henderson & Lyons. I think you're wrong about VB and Mackay.

I don't think VB was given a few games "to prove himself". He was selected because they thought he was the best player available in the SANFL, and they had a policy of selecting the best team (as distinct from BigFooty's most popular team). When he didn't perform (in 2 of his 3 games) he was dropped immediately.

Mackay's polling in the B&F, where he polled 3+ votes in almost every game he played, and averaged 6+ votes per game, indicates that the coaches were happy with how he was performing. He won't be dropped on that basis. He may, however, be replaced by a better option coming up from below. I think he was player 21-22 selected most weeks this year, and I'm hoping that Knight will overtake him next year. However, I think he will still be player 23-24 and will play more often than not (as Lyons did this year), due to injuries creating opportunities.

VB wasn't close to the best performing option in the SANFL.

The coaches were so happy with Mackay they dropped him in favour of a guy they just delisted and he finished 22 on a votes per game basis in the b&f. They are thrilled I'm sure!

 

[Vader]

I'm more concerned with turning CEY' Menzel, Hampton, Wigg, Kelly, Greenwood, Dear into full time AFL players and more time in terms of game time should be given to this than Old broken down Barlow who might play two or three good games in his one year left in elite footy, FFS if Thommo is given the same as opportunity as Barlow is probably going to be given he will probably perform better he keeps himself in better nick than Barlow and has had less injuries. Thommo has been a far superior player to Barlow and that is a fact

Not sure that any of those are, or should be, a high priority (Greenwood the notable exception).

Kelly isn't AFL standard and will probably be delisted next year. CEY isn't either, though he still has a solid fan base here on BigFooty - I would be more than a little bit surprised if he's on our list in 2018. Menzel & Hampton will either make it, or they won't, but it's up to them to force their way into the team if they want it enough.

That leaves Wigg, Greenwood and Dear. I haven't seen enough of Dear to form my own opinion. Greenwood looked very promising in the SANFL games I saw this year, and the coaches obviously agree (given his high finish in the SANFL B&F). Wigg doesn't excite me that much - I hope he gets an opportunity, but he's not a priority as far as I'm concerned.

The players I want to see more of are Milera, Knight, Greenwood, Doedee, and ROB. These are the players I think the club should be fast tracking into the AFL team, and given every possible opportunity to develop.

 

[Iron]

So much angst for a side that finished fifth with seven players nominated in the u/22 AA squad.

I see the last two seasons as steps towards greatness. Not failures because we did not achieve greatness in those two years with a young list and three different head coaches.....

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Yeah. There have been some obviously pretty disappointing results this year on and off the field. But the pessimism and aggression in this boards posting seems really high proportionally to our performance this year.

It was more positive in the off season last year. And we're in a better position heading into next year this time. Funny how it works sometimes.

 

[Paladin]

Yeah. There have been some obviously pretty disappointing results this year on and off the field. But the pessimism and aggression in this boards posting seems really high proportionally to our performance this year.

It was more positive in the off season last year. And we're in a better position heading into next year this time. Funny how it works sometimes.

I was up and about when we were improving our midfield and getting Gibbs.

Now not so much.

 

[Iron]

I was up and about when we were improving our midfield and getting Gibbs.

Now not so much.

You'll be ok.

 

[Vader]

VB wasn't close to the best performing option in the SANFL.

He was. You just couldn't (still can't) accept it, because of your blinkered views on VB.

The coaches were so happy with Mackay they dropped him in favour of a guy they just delisted and he finished 22 on a votes per game basis in the b&f. They are thrilled I'm sure!

Dropped for 1 game, and still selected as the traveling emergency, before being brought straight back in the following week.

In any case, I'm happy to agree that Mackay was the 21st or 22nd player selected most weeks. My argument is that he won't be dropped because of his own poor performance (the coaches were happy with how he performed). He may be overtaken by another player coming up from the SANFL (e.g. Knight).

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Basically making shit up.

Why posters think the club should come out and tell us 100% their trading and drafting strategy is really beyond me.

People stuck in "why did they spin that bull" rather than understand why they do so, its really not too hard to comprehend.

The amount of posts revolving around the theme of "why do they do this to us", is worthy of Warner Brothers producing a flick.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Why posters think the club should come out and tell us 100% their trading and drafting strategy is really beyond me.

People stuck in "why did they spin that bull" rather than understand why they do so, its really not too hard to comprehend.

The amount of posts revolving around the theme of "why do they do this to us", is worthy of Warner Brothers producing a flick.

I think there is a point where your bullshit needs to be believable.

 

[marty36]

Not sure that any of those are, or should be, a high priority (Greenwood the notable exception).

Kelly isn't AFL standard and will probably be delisted next year. CEY isn't either, though he still has a solid fan base here on BigFooty - I would be more than a little bit surprised if he's on our list in 2018. Menzel & Hampton will either make it, or they won't, but it's up to them to force their way into the team if they want it enough.

That leaves Wigg, Greenwood and Dear. I haven't seen enough of Dear to form my own opinion. Greenwood looked very promising in the SANFL games I saw this year, and the coaches obviously agree (given his high finish in the SANFL B&F). Wigg doesn't excite me that much - I hope he gets an opportunity, but he's not a priority as far as I'm concerned.

The players I want to see more of are Milera, Knight, Greenwood, Doedee, and ROB. These are the players I think the club should be fast tracking into the AFL team, and given every possible opportunity to develop.

So you are saying the clubs list management is up the creek without a paddle. To have that many players who are useless and not capable of being AFL standard yet being hung on to for years!

 

[feenix67]

Why posters think the club should come out and tell us 100% their trading and drafting strategy is really beyond me.

People stuck in "why did they spin that bull" rather than understand why they do so, its really not too hard to comprehend.

The amount of posts revolving around the theme of "why do they do this to us", is worthy of Warner Brothers producing a flick.

Yeah, except they were quite strident about their intentions of finding quality midfielders pre trade, and then when they didnt open the present handed to them, decided to completely change tack.

We were going to be the "no spin" club, right? So either don't say anything, or make sure what you do say isn't bullshit.

We pay their bills, remember?

 

[Big Gazoongas]

I think there is a point where your bullshit needs to be believable.

So you think that the club should come out and tell us their trading and drafting strategy?

 

[feenix67]

So you think that the club should come out and tell us their trading and drafting strategy?

They did, remember? Then they messed it up and went "oh...wait..."

 

[jackster83]

So you are saying the clubs list management is up the creek without a paddle. To have that many players who are useless and not capable of being AFL standard yet being hung on to for years!

The Tiprat penalties and getting reamed in the Dangerfield trade didn't help, but choosing Thommo over Lyons was the worst piece of list management since we recruited Tambling.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What if we declare that he'll be a grwat fit for our young midfield and back him in?

Because with him our midfield is no longer young

 

[Vader]

So you are saying the clubs list management is up the creek without a paddle. To have that many players who are useless and not capable of being AFL standard yet being hung on to for years!

Most of them haven't been around for that long.

Menzel, Hampton, Greenwood - 1 year
Dear, Wigg - 2 years
Kelly - 3 years (2017 should be his last)
CEY - 5 years - 2017 is at least one year too many

I do think that the club is often guilty of hanging onto fringe players for too long - hoping that they will eventually come good, before eventually having to give up and delist them. CEY & Grigg are both examples of this, Brodie Martin is another. There are many others. However, in the case of the players you've named, this only really applies to CEY.

The reality is that most years we will have 40 players on our senior list, plus another 4-6 on our rookie list. Only 22 players are selected each week, and there are probably only 1-2 positions which are up for grabs most weeks. Of the remaining players, some have more talent than others, and it is these players who should be fast tracked - even if it's at the expense of players who have been around for longer.

Right now, I think the players who should be fast tracked are Greenwood, Knight, ROB, Milera & Doedee - not the group of players that you identified.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Yeah, except they were quite strident about their intentions of finding quality midfielders pre trade, and then when they didnt open the present handed to them, decided to completely change tack.

We were going to be the "no spin" club, right? So either don't say anything, or make sure what you do say isn't bullshit.

We pay their bills, remember?

I read all this in posts after posts on this thread.

If the club went with the "don't say anything" option do you really believe there would not have been a melt down. I wouldn't have a problem with this but there are others that would. You only have to go through threads to find enough evidence, past and present.

When the club comes out and "spins" the commentary we still get the melt down.

Problem is people think, we, as posters have some god given right to be told the inner workings and strategy around trading and drafting. I would be mortified if the club made any comment on its intentions regarding this.
That would be down right incompetent.

Don't have a problem with debating or discussing outcomes, but the expectation we are told the "truth" whatever that is, is nothing more than fantasy.

 

[Vader]

The Tiprat penalties and getting reamed in the Dangerfield trade didn't help, but choosing Thommo over Lyons was the worst piece of list management since we recruited Tambling.

It's not even the worst piece of list management in the last 2 years.

Last year they gave 2-year contracts to Kelly, Shaw, CEY, and Otten. They gave Grigg a 12-month contract. They promoted Kelly to the senior list, leaving ROB on the rookie list. Not one of those decisions looked good back then, they look even worse with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Why posters think the club should come out and tell us 100% their trading and drafting strategy is really beyond me.

People stuck in "why did they spin that bull" rather than understand why they do so, its really not too hard to comprehend.

The amount of posts revolving around the theme of "why do they do this to us", is worthy of Warner Brothers producing a flick.

That's true. We see what their trading and draft strategy is by what they do.

Although that doesn't seem to make it easier to work out

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's not even the worst piece of list management in the last 2 years.

Last year they gave 2-year contracts to Kelly, Shaw, CEY, and Otten. They gave Grigg a 12-month contract. They promoted Kelly to the senior list, leaving ROB on the rookie list. Not one of those decisions looked good back then, they look even worse with the benefit of hindsight.

None of those decisions have had much impact on the team either way

Thompson for Lyons does