Prediction Michael Barlow

[marty36]

So your position is he must be cooked at 28 despite some fantastic performances this year in the middle.

Fair enough hope we sign him and he proves you wrong.

True I will be or he will pull out a couple like Thommo did this year, but most would say it was a terrible year for him and we should have given a go to the young lads. Sound familiar

 

[Tex200]

There's a difference between excellent seasons and being at the top of your game.

There are some very good players (still) there, but I think it demonstrates that AFL footballers peak between 25 to 29.

Simpson, Enright, Shaw and Mitchell all made the AA squad. I reckon there's a fair argument they were at the top of their game in 2016

 

[marty36]

Simpson, Enright, Shaw and Mitchell all made the AA squad. I reckon there's a fair argument they were at the top of their game in 2016

But Carlton are in a rebuild why the hell wouldn't they just delist Simpson and load up with youth?

 

[baldandbroke]

But Carlton are in a rebuild why the hell wouldn't they just delist Simpson and load up with youth?

Marty, can't you accept that all teams are in different positions - taking different paths - with different salary commitments AND all players have different motivations? Maybe MB had a talk to Ross the Boss and decided it would be best for him to seek a last chance at a premiership elsewhere? There is no blanket rule for this.

 

[Paladin]

True I will be or he will pull out a couple like Thommo did this year, but most would say it was a terrible year for him and we should have given a go to the young lads. Sound familiar

Barlow is 6 years younger than Thommo. No one was calling for Thommo to retire at 28.

 

[Tex200]

But Carlton are in a rebuild why the hell wouldn't they just delist Simpson and load up with youth?

They can't get rid of every older player. You have to look at the list. Blues very shallow in the mids which is why they needed Gibbs.

Freo have Fyfe to come back, Neale and Mundy who all play contested. It's an area they can afford to lose an older player and start to work in some youth.

Your analyis is as shallow here as it is with the draft

 

[Vader]

They can't get rid of every older player. You have to look at the list. Blues very shallow in the mids which is why they needed Gibbs.

Freo have Fyfe to come back, Neale and Mundy who all play contested. It's an area they can afford to lose an older player and start to work in some youth.

Your analyis is as shallow here as it is with the draft

Marty specialises in shallow analysis. Makes Sanders look deep and meaningful.

 

[marty36]

They can't get rid of every older player. You have to look at the list. Blues very shallow in the mids which is why they needed Gibbs.

Freo have Fyfe to come back, Neale and Mundy who all play contested. It's an area they can afford to lose an older player and start to work in some youth.

Your analyis is as shallow here as it is with the draft

I would think Gibbs, Murphy and Cripps aren't bad surely they could go without Simpson.

Face facts Freo wouldn't let a guy go who was capable of producing top quality footy no team in their right mind would. If their decision to delist him is because they believe he is cooked and past it, that's there prerogative and they know him best, well you think they would.

To suggest letting a quality player that can help the team perform with his ability and develop youth and let him go for nothing because you want to bring in stacks of youth is total BS

 

[hendo8888]

I would think Gibbs, Murphy and Cripps aren't bad surely they could go without Simpson.

Face facts Freo wouldn't let a guy go who was capable of producing top quality footy no team in their right mind would. If their decision to delist him is because they believe he is cooked and past it, that's there prerogative and they know him best, well you think they would.

To suggest letting a quality player that can help the team perform with his ability and develop youth and let him go for nothing because you want to bring in stacks of youth is total BS

Boomer played some top quality football this year.

 

[MRB37]

 

[marty36]

Boomer played some top quality football this year.

Yes I'm hearing certain people saying he is going to play top quality footy

Yet the only reason we have for freo wanting him out and getting absolutely zero return is they want some young players, is that being serious

 

[crowsup]

I still have to collect the skull of Dagorath, then perform the Rite of Alakabeth and defeat the hydra Sryinx in battle, and I'm good

Child's play for you, I am sure!

 

[Bicks]

I would think Gibbs, Murphy and Cripps aren't bad surely they could go without Simpson.

Face facts Freo wouldn't let a guy go who was capable of producing top quality footy no team in their right mind would. If their decision to delist him is because they believe he is cooked and past it, that's there prerogative and they know him best, well you think they would.

To suggest letting a quality player that can help the team perform with his ability and develop youth and let him go for nothing because you want to bring in stacks of youth is total BS

Yep, Freo really have a dearth of midfield talent coming through...

Nat Fyfe 25 y.O.
Lachie Neale 23 Y.O.
Harley Bennell 24 Y.O.
Stephen Hill 26 Y.O.
Brad Hill 23 Y.O.
Lachie Weller 20 Y.O.
David Mundy 31 Y.O. 251 games
Darcy Tucker 19 Y.O.
Connor Blakely 20 Y.O.
Harley Balic 19 Y.O.
Ed Langdon 20 Y.O.
Nick Suban 26 Y.O.

 

[Deaneus!]

Nah that's what happened when you were ditched as a Mod

Ouch!

My two cents:

Gibbs surprised us, and we were right not to go for 2 first round picks. He was perfect, but no. Maybe next year, we'll see.

Because we sold our 2nd rounder last year, we needed to fill the gap for Ben Jarman points; Lyons was our only currency, as every one else we'd actually give up, has zero value (and I love the guy, it hurts bad but it's the right thing to do)

We can bring Barlow in for the equivalent of pick 89 or whatever.

Ignoring cash, the situation is effectively:

IN: Barlow, pick 43
OUT: Lyons

and that's a good deal.

If the club keeps its word and suddenly Thommo is placed in a small red box with a glass front that says "break in case of emergency", great. I'd expect people like Seedsman, Hampton, Wigg, Menzel et al to overtake Douglas and Mackay during next year, and we'll finish the year with the kind of team most of us here want. Barlow will bring us stats like these:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...id2=2&type=A&pid1=3389&pid2=292&fid1=S&fid2=S

and it tells me they've basically got the same statistical output, but with a +5% DE for Barlow.

Barlow is the completely unfashionable but smart option. The heart doesn't like it, but the head says it's the right move.

 

[marty36]

Yep, Freo really have a dearth of midfield talent coming through...

Nat Fyfe 25 y.O.
Lachie Neale 23 Y.O.
Harley Bennell 24 Y.O.
Stephen Hill 26 Y.O.
Brad Hill 23 Y.O.
Lachie Weller 20 Y.O.
David Mundy 31 Y.O. 251 games
Darcy Tucker 19 Y.O.
Connor Blakely 20 Y.O.
Harley Balic 19 Y.O.
Ed Langdon 20 Y.O.
Nick Suban 26 Y.O.

So your also saying because of their talent coming through in the mid you wouldn't trade players to maybe get a bloody forward line that can kick goals and maybe keep a guy that no one wants to trade for but is capable of playing quality footy

Turn it up

 

[marty36]

Ouch!

My two cents:

Gibbs surprised us, and we were right not to go for 2 first round picks. He was perfect, but no. Maybe next year, we'll see.

Because we sold our 2nd rounder last year, we needed to fill the gap for Ben Jarman points; Lyons was our only currency, as every one else we'd actually give up, has zero value (and I love the guy, it hurts bad but it's the right thing to do)

We can bring Barlow in for the equivalent of pick 89 or whatever.

Ignoring cash, the situation is effectively:

IN: Barlow, pick 43
OUT: Lyons

and that's a good deal.

If the club keeps its word and suddenly Thommo is placed in a small red box with a glass front that says "break in case of emergency", great. I'd expect people like Seedsman, Hampton, Wigg, Menzel et al to overtake Douglas and Mackay during next year, and we'll finish the year with the kind of team most of us here want. Barlow will bring us stats like these:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...id2=2&type=A&pid1=3389&pid2=292&fid1=S&fid2=S

and it tells me they've basically got the same statistical output, but with a +5% DE for Barlow.

Barlow is the completely unfashionable but smart option. The heart doesn't like it, but the head says it's the right move.

You're not concerned at the reason freo don't see a player who apparently is quality, letting him go for nutta

 

[Doctor B]

If we can get Barlow for a late pick, front end his contract and no gold pass, selection based purely on form I can't see why we wouldn't pick him up.
He can win his own ball on the inside or do a job on an opposition player as a run with, but can also run off his opponent. How many people on this board wanted us to put someone on Danger? Look at the job he did on Robbie Gray this year. Supposedly a great team man, elite training standards, good mentor to younger players. Seems a no brainer for me, if we phase out Thompson into a SANFL role we can't leave Sloane with a midfield full of young players. B Crouch 41 career games, M Crouch 47, Atkins 32, CEY 14, Knight 12, Milera 8, Hampton 51, Seedsman 64.

 

[baldandbroke]

You're not concerned at the reason freo don't see a player who apparently is quality, letting him go for nutta

Marty plenty of good players get moved on because of unique circumstances to do with the club they are leaving and the player themselves - and you know it.
Sam Mitchell wins the B&F for the Hawks, Lewis comes in second - both are moved on. I'm sure you understand why, in fact I'd bet you applaud it.

Why MB has left Freo you do not know. You don't. So stop pushing the "he's no good" line so hard.

Of course we are all guessing at how he will work out if he comes to AFC, but let's not pretend that he is a lost cause looking for a home.

 

[Bicks]

So your also saying because of their talent coming through in the mid you wouldn't trade players to maybe get a bloody forward line that can kick goals and maybe keep a guy that no one wants to trade for but is capable of playing quality footy

Turn it up

Cam McCarthy

 

[dylan123]

True I will be or he will pull out a couple like Thommo did this year, but most would say it was a terrible year for him and we should have given a go to the young lads. Sound familiar

I'd like to see Barlow actually played in the position he should be played in before saying he's cooked at 28.

 

[Doctor B]

You're not concerned at the reason freo don't see a player who apparently is quality, letting him go for nutta

I reckon Henderson will be playing AFL level footy next year, what did we get for him?

 

[Bicks]

If we can get Barlow for a late pick, front end his contract and no gold pass, selection based purely on form I can't see why we wouldn't pick him up.
He can win his own ball on the inside or do a job on an opposition player as a run with, but can also run off his opponent. How many people on this board wanted us to put someone on Danger? Look at the job he did on Robbie Gray this year. Supposedly a great team man, elite training standards, good mentor to younger players. Seems a no brainer for me, if we phase out Thompson into a SANFL role we can't leave Sloane with a midfield full of young players. B Crouch 41 career games, M Crouch 47, Atkins 32, CEY 14, Knight 12, Milera 8, Hampton 51, Seedsman 64.

Barlow doesn't cost anything other than a list spot and cap space??...

 

[hey shorty]

You're not concerned at the reason freo don't see a player who apparently is quality, letting him go for nutta

Matt Wright played 20 games for us last year and was delisted because we felt we had better options in his position. He went on to have a perfectly good year.

Fremantle are obviously keen to rebuild and they see Barlow at 28 as not as good an option as a Weller or a fit (hopefully) Bennell. Fyfe and Mundy provide the experience with the kids around them.

If we are indeed using Thommo as a break glasser then our side looks devoid of big, experienced bodies. For a side that appears to want to challenge for a flag in the next year or 2 thats a big no-no. You can point to the Bulldogs but I see them as an outlier opposed to a new trend.

Barlow may or may not work, but IMO he's worth a go.

 

[baldandbroke]

I'm moving back towards wanting to see what MB can do in our squad. I just don't have faith in the likes of CEY to step up at AFL level ... which means we will be one short in the middle to compete with the really good midfields. MB has also shown he can shut down the best of them, something we have lacked for a while.

 

[Deaneus!]

You're not concerned at the reason freo don't see a player who apparently is quality, letting him go for nutta

Not in this case.

There's a clearly younger midfield in there needing games, he's older, maybe they tried and got nothing from way of trade opportunities, so we effectively were the last bloke in the pub at closing time but still managed to pick up something we liked.

Apologies for the metaphor but it seemed about right.