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Kane McGoodwin said:
A. Some long time posters have told me they are not coming here as often because of some other posters - so I do know.

B.Marty's crap is as low quality as it gets, but yes there are others too.

C.Most don't want to use the ignore button as you lose the jist of the conversation.

D. Frankly I & others have every right to have our say, as this board is for all. if some are deliberately ruining the enjoyment for others then they need to have a bloody good look at themselves! Marty makes no secret that he is deliberately trolling to get attention. Is this what we really want to drag this board down to?
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Kane to be honest I am one of those long term posters that now visits the board less frequently, the quality and standards of the board has dropped significantly over the past 18 months

IMO there is too much ego, not enough respect for other opinions and way to much I can piss further than you can style of posting that continually hijack threads, just look at our Board stats compared to other Boards however IMO a large portion of that qty is just people arguing and going around in circles with little respect for other people's thoughts and opinions, just seems to be right and wrong battles on every thread you open

As you know I was a Mid for 12 months or so however this was a key reason why I gave up being a Mod, I just got tired of dealing with the large amount of BS and when the BS starts to become the norm and rather than the exception then Houston we have a problem

I once used to post daily, lucky if I visit twice a week now
 
The Sloane Ranger said:
Kane to be honest I am one of those long term posters that now visits the board less frequently, the quality and standards of the board has dropped significantly over the past 18 months

IMO there is too much ego, not enough respect for other opinions and way to much I can piss further than you can style of posting that continually hijack threads, just look at our Board stats compared to other Boards however IMO a large portion of that qty is just people arguing and going around in circles with little respect for other people's thoughts and opinions, just seems to be right and wrong battles on every thread you open

As you know I was a Mid for 12 months or so however this was a key reason why I gave up being a Mod, I just got tired of dealing with the large amount of BS and when the BS starts to become the norm and rather than the exception then Houston we have a problem

I once used to post daily, lucky if I visit twice a week now
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Thanks for your honesty as you are not alone.

I would prefer to hear more from the like of you & other quality long time posters who are frequenting less for the reasons you outlined.

It's everyone's responsibility to make this board great. Posting crap & telling other posters to put you on ignore is selfish as main aim is to ruin this for others.
 
Big Gazoongas said:
Carlton didnt want Betts, preferring to spend their dollars on Thomas. If they wanted Betts he'd still be at the Blues.
Freo don't need Barlow for obvious reasons about where their list is at. Marty prefers to place his head in the sand about this as a reasobable reason why he's been delisted to back up his argument about Barlow.

Same goes with Lyons. Many posters here rate him. AFC traded him, does that mean he is garbage?

Regardless of how you see this scenario and whatever contex you like to see this in, the thing that matters above all else is the cost of aquiring an asset.
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Actually the thing that matters most is the quality of the asset and whether it's actually an asset
 
The Sloane Ranger said:
Kane to be honest I am one of those long term posters that now visits the board less frequently, the quality and standards of the board has dropped significantly over the past 18 months

IMO there is too much ego, not enough respect for other opinions and way to much I can piss further than you can style of posting that continually hijack threads, just look at our Board stats compared to other Boards however IMO a large portion of that qty is just people arguing and going around in circles with little respect for other people's thoughts and opinions, just seems to be right and wrong battles on every thread you open

As you know I was a Mid for 12 months or so however this was a key reason why I gave up being a Mod, I just got tired of dealing with the large amount of BS and when the BS starts to become the norm and rather than the exception then Houston we have a problem

I once used to post daily, lucky if I visit twice a week now
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Whilst I'm not doubting what you are trying to say, you are a regular poster on here, if not a daily poster. I'm not sure how you can claim to only visit twice a week.
 

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Big Gazoongas said:
Carlton didnt want Betts, preferring to spend their dollars on Thomas. If they wanted Betts he'd still be at the Blues.
Freo don't need Barlow for obvious reasons about where their list is at. Marty prefers to place his head in the sand about this as a reasobable reason why he's been delisted to back up his argument about Barlow.

Same goes with Lyons. Many posters here rate him. AFC traded him, does that mean he is garbage?

Regardless of how you see this scenario and whatever contex you like to see this in, the thing that matters above all else is the cost of aquiring an asset.
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There's a difference between trading and delisting

As for betts Carlton wanted him but didn't think he was worth the salary which was large and worth every cent

Yes I think if a player is delisted it pretty much sums up his worth to that club and the fact they were unable to trade him indicates what other clubs thinks he is worth

Then you have the issue of him having a interrupted pre season because of a serious injury he had last year that still needs work and rehabilitation

So we have some comparing him to Gibbs,not sure how the hell you can mix those two players worth up
 
marty36 said:
There's a difference between trading and delisting

As for betts Carlton wanted him but didn't think he was worth the salary which was large and worth every cent

Yes I think if a player is delisted it pretty much sums up his worth to that club and the fact they were unable to trade him indicates what other clubs thinks he is worth

Then you have the issue of him having a interrupted pre season because of a serious injury he had last year that still needs work and rehabilitation

So we have some comparing him to Gibbs,not sure how the hell you can mix those two players worth up
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You also need to look at the cost.
Now I'm sure no one would argue Barlow is better than Gibbs. Mind you the difference isn't huge.

But the cost has to be seriously taken into account. To land Gibbs we had to give up 2 first rounders. I have heard a few times (and once from Hamish) that 2016, 2017 & 2018 drafts are looking strong.

Essentially (ignoring unequal list spots) the scenario is:

Bryce Gibbs
vs
Barlow + pick 13 (2017) + 1st round 2018 + money in salary gap saved by not getting Gibbs (could lead to a FA in 2017).

Yes Barlow isn't quite at Gibbs level and is one year older the sum of all the parts is probably better than Gibbs.

Now I wanted Gibbs but not at that cost. The opportunity cost was too great. We are not an old list and aren't at the boom or bust stage where we need to go all in.
 
lunacy said:
You also need to look at the cost.
Now I'm sure no one would argue Barlow is better than Gibbs. Mind you the difference isn't huge.

But the cost has to be seriously taken into account. To land Gibbs we had to give up 2 first rounders. I have heard a few times (and once from Hamish) that 2016, 2017 & 2018 drafts are looking strong.

Essentially (ignoring unequal list spots) the scenario is:

Bryce Gibbs
vs
Barlow + pick 13 (2017) + 1st round 2018 + money in salary gap saved by not getting Gibbs (could lead to a FA in 2017).

Yes Barlow isn't quite at Gibbs level and is one year older the sum of all the parts is probably better than Gibbs.

Now I wanted Gibbs but not at that cost. The opportunity cost was too great. We are not an old list and aren't at the boom or bust stage where we need to go all in.
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Fair enough if it comes down to a bidding war, where we have to give up a 3 year deal with a reasonable salary, would you at that cost, where his longevity could be questioned
 
The Sloane Ranger said:
Kane to be honest I am one of those long term posters that now visits the board less frequently, the quality and standards of the board has dropped significantly over the past 18 months

IMO there is too much ego, not enough respect for other opinions and way to much I can piss further than you can style of posting that continually hijack threads, just look at our Board stats compared to other Boards however IMO a large portion of that qty is just people arguing and going around in circles with little respect for other people's thoughts and opinions, just seems to be right and wrong battles on every thread you open

As you know I was a Mid for 12 months or so however this was a key reason why I gave up being a Mod, I just got tired of dealing with the large amount of BS and when the BS starts to become the norm and rather than the exception then Houston we have a problem

I once used to post daily, lucky if I visit twice a week now
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Just playing devil's advocate here, there are quite a few "long term" posters who, back in the day, were just as definitive in their views as some of the current frequent posters. Could it be that those longer term posters dont like their views challenged? My post count is comparably low, largely because when I first started coming here, it was very much a closed shop of opinion and to be frank, a bit of a circle jerk. At least now there's a broader range of perspectives.
 
Elite Crow said:
Doesn't actually mean he is though, players get picked up all the time that are duds. Would you call Toumpas an asset?
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Melbourne got rid of liability as an asset... ;)
 
marty36 said:
There's a difference between trading and delisting

As for betts Carlton wanted him but didn't think he was worth the salary which was large and worth every cent

Yes I think if a player is delisted it pretty much sums up his worth to that club and the fact they were unable to trade him indicates what other clubs thinks he is worth

Then you have the issue of him having a interrupted pre season because of a serious injury he had last year that still needs work and rehabilitation

So we have some comparing him to Gibbs,not sure how the hell you can mix those two players worth up
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So you have an issue with Barlows injury but were outspoken when we didn't pick up Burton with a first round pick. Makes complete sense in marty speak only.
 
The Sloane Ranger said:
As you know I was a Mid for 12 months or so however this was a key reason why I gave up being a Mod, I just got tired of dealing with the large amount of BS and when the BS starts to become the norm and rather than the exception then Houston we have a problem

I once used to post daily, lucky if I visit twice a week now
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Then TSR, you and other Mods have to take the responsibility for the state of the board ....who else shapes the standards ?

You're saying you gave up because of the deteriorating standards :huh: .....that's like the Captain of the Titanic saying " hey, don't look at me, it's not my fault"

I raised this with Drugs Are Bad Mackay? ....he clearly stated he wanted this adversarial style of posting ......even after i posted what you and Kane McGoodwin posted ......got ZERO support then

jenny61_99 put her hand up to be a Mod on this board .......do i need to explain to you why she was not accepted ? ........because the Mods were afraid that the current posting style on this board, that you & Kane (and myself) are criticizing, would change .....that somehow Jenny would be too straight-laced

Maybe Jenny could have assisted to bring back serious footy discussion that i joined the board for .......but that apparently is not the view of certain Mods

So frankly ....suck it up TSR .....because you contributed to the state of play, so you are hardly one to criticize
 

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Elite Crow said:
Doesn't actually mean he is though, players get picked up all the time that are duds. Would you call Toumpas an asset?
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Whether you think they are duds is irrelevant. If a club picks up a player he is picked up as having some sort of value.

Really think your arguing for the sake of it now.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
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It's everyone's responsibility to make this board great. Posting crap & telling other posters to put you on ignore is selfish as main aim is to ruin this for others.
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Kane, this makes absolutely no sense ?
 
Wayne's-World said:
The last sentence .....iam not that bad at comprehension
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Surely you understand what I was saying.

If the most you got out of it that you are upset with the comprehension, then frankly that is weird.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
Surely you understand what I was saying.

If the most you got out of it that you are upset with the comprehension, then frankly that is weird.
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it was simple .....really quite simple ....i asked a question & instead of getting a normal response, you carry on about why i asked the question :mad:

FFS if i knew the answer, i wouldn't have asked !!!!
 

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Wayne's-World said:
it was simple .....really quite simple ....i asked a question & instead of getting a normal response, you carry on about why i asked the question :mad:

FFS if i knew the answer, i wouldn't have asked !!!!
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I still don't get what you don't understand?

Deliberately posting rubbish & telling others to put you on ignore is selfish posting.

Everyone has a responsibility to post responsibly to make this a great board.

Not sure why this is such a difficult concept...
 
lunacy said:
You also need to look at the cost.
Now I'm sure no one would argue Barlow is better than Gibbs. Mind you the difference isn't huge.

But the cost has to be seriously taken into account. To land Gibbs we had to give up 2 first rounders. I have heard a few times (and once from Hamish) that 2016, 2017 & 2018 drafts are looking strong.

Essentially (ignoring unequal list spots) the scenario is:

Bryce Gibbs
vs
Barlow + pick 13 (2017) + 1st round 2018 + money in salary gap saved by not getting Gibbs (could lead to a FA in 2017).

Yes Barlow isn't quite at Gibbs level and is one year older the sum of all the parts is probably better than Gibbs.

Now I wanted Gibbs but not at that cost. The opportunity cost was too great. We are not an old list and aren't at the boom or bust stage where we need to go all in.
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+1

I think there was a combination of issues that led to Carlton demanding such a high value for a player that will not play when they next challenge for a flag.

For starters, it was a case of supply and demand. They knew we were desperate of a quality mid and accordingly raised the value of Gibbs, ffs there was some of their campaigner posters in here saying he would be playing till 35.

They knew that very likely he would be elite in our team and the pain of their supporters and Club witnessing yet another good player from their Club taking their game to another level was going to cause a world of pain.

They knew we were in a premiership window and basically tried to sell us not only this fact but the fact that adding Gibbs to our side would give us a flag and is therefore a reasonable price to pay for it. Call it #soslogic #carltonlogic

If I was in Carlton's predicament I would have demanded from us a top 10 pick and second rounder as some sort of middle ground, this would have enabled them to fix the massive holes in their list. Carlton have botched so many draft choices that by their logic it wasnt worth the risk of losing a quality player like Gibbs for two potential failures coupled with the lols of how good Gibbs would go at the Crows.

In the end for me it came down to Carlton pride as to why they didnt let Gibbs go for a little less. They arrogantly believe they had scored a "win" this will bite them in the arse in the future. Every dog has their day.
 
Big Gazoongas said:
Whether you think they are duds is irrelevant. If a club picks up a player he is picked up as having some sort of value.

Really think your arguing for the sake of it now.
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Actually I think you are talking a lot of crap.

The only thing that matters is if a player is an asset to a team, they might perceive as being an asset when picked up but that will soon be forgotten if he's a dud.

Back to Barlow, Freo says he doesn't have any value, let's assume we do and pick him up. If he turns out a dud who are the idiots? By your rationale it doesn't matter because we thought he had value when we picked him up but that's nonsense. All that means is we made an error which is what those that don't want Barlow are saying.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
I still don't get what you don't understand?

Deliberately posting rubbish & telling others to put you on ignore is selfish posting.

Everyone has a responsibility to post responsibly to make this a great board.

Not sure why this is such a difficult concept...
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He's a Wayne
 

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