Opinion Mick Malthouse MEGA THREAD

[Big Red is back]

Debate is ragging re Mick Malthouse across several threads so it is surely time to give him his own MEGA THREAD, where the pros and cons can be debated.

He is in my opinion the best coach I have seen and through the majority of his time at Collingwood I have marvelled at what he has been able to achieve at times with some very ordinary teams.

8 (including the draw) Grand Finals since 90.

Enjoy.

Michael "Mick" Malthouse (born 17 August 1953) is a former Australian rules footballer and the former coach of three Australian Football League (AFL) clubs. Although his playing career included a premiership for Richmond in the VFL, he is best known for his AFL coaching career.

Malthouse is the most successful coach in the history of the West Coast Eagles, holding several club coaching records including the most grand final appearances (1991, 1992, 1994), most premierships (1992 and 1994, both against Geelong), as well as the highest win ratio.

The 1992 Grand Final win was the first AFL premiership won by a team from outside Victoria and was the West Coast Eagles first ever senior premiership.

He has also coached Collingwood to grand finals in 2002, 2003, 2010 and 2011; with success in the 2010 Grand Final Replay, leading Collingwood to its first premiership since 1990.

• 1985 and 1991 Players Association Coach of the Year
• 1991 Inaugural AFL Coach of the Year
• 1992 Institute of Sport Coach of the Year [2]
• Richmond premiership player 1980
• West Coast premiership coach 1992 and 1994
• 2008 International Rules Series Coach
• 2010 International Rules Series Coach
• 2010 AFLCA Coach of the Year
• Collingwood premiership coach 2010
• 2nd longest serving coach of the Collingwood FC behind Jock McHale.
• 2nd (all time) most games coached at AFL/VFL level.
• 3rd most wins as coach (all time).

 

[pepalenko]

At the risk of derailing in the first few posts, do you really rate him higher than Matthews and even Sheedy.

 

[Blue Dangerfield]

At the risk of derailing in the first few posts, do you really rate him higher than Matthews and even Sheedy.

or Parko.

 

[Broadside]

he could be Jesus himself returned to Earth but it shouldn't stop the club doing due diligence on the selection of a new coach, if they decide to sack Ratten.

This "he can have the job if he wants it" mentality is unprofessional and we have paid dearly for this kind of decision in the past.

 

[Big Sim]

I can't help it, but what puts me off about MM was when he laughed off being massacred by Geelong towards the end of the H&A season last year. He looked on it as an abberation but it looked an awful lot like the writing on the wall to me. And so it proved.

Last year suggested to me that he had reached his use-by date. We've already taken one has-been on in Pagan and look how that went.

 

[Stamos]

he could be Jesus himself returned to Earth but it shouldn't stop the club doing due diligence on the selection of a new coach, if they decide to sack Ratten.

This "he can have the job if he wants it" mentality is unprofessional and we have paid dearly for this kind of decision in the past.

This X 1,000,000

 

[Molly1]

he could be Jesus himself returned to Earth but it shouldn't stop the club doing due diligence on the selection of a new coach, if they decide to sack Ratten.

This "he can have the job if he wants it" mentality is unprofessional and we have paid dearly for this kind of decision in the past.

Spot on...!

 

[Stamos]

Spot on...!

Got any info?

 

[Sin City]

he could be Jesus himself returned to Earth but it shouldn't stop the club doing due diligence on the selection of a new coach, if they decide to sack Ratten.

This "he can have the job if he wants it" mentality is unprofessional and we have paid dearly for this kind of decision in the past.

Yes. While i do think it's time for a change of coach and I also think Malthouse has really proven he can unify a playing group I don't believe in hiring a coach without going through a process to find who the best applicant is. I'm sure Adelaide are happy with the way they went about hiring Sanderson, likewise Geelong with Scott after losing Thompson and Ablett.

 

[fortynine]

First off I just want to say this. Can we please not forget how much Ratten has bled for this club. The players are the ones who let him down on the weekend. There have been a few player selections that have been of concern (not giving Mitchell a call up) but otherwise he's achieved amazing things with Carlton as a coach and as a player. He was our Best & Fairest in a premiership season for God's sakes.

Personally I think he should stay on as coach but as often happens with Carltons, our supporters and Coterie members sometimes have more of a say than the board.

Now, to move onto Mick Malthouse himself.

Pro's

- Excellent player manager, able to get the best of even bit-part players.
- Strong tactical awareness
- Preaches a style of continuity in the senior and reserves levels so new players can come in and understand the structures.
- Excellent media style

Con's

- Coming in to a totally new club with a completely different ethos, set of supporters and history.
- Has had little interaction with the current squad and it will take time for the relationships to build.
- Tweaking our game style can potentially take a while and Carlton fans demand success, quickly.


I think he's proven over time to be an excellent coach but I still think Ratten represents the soul of the CFC and that this should count for something when they are making their decision.

 

[Jatz]

First off I just want to say this. Can we please not forget how much Ratten has bled for this club. The players are the ones who let him down on the weekend. There have been a few player selections that have been of concern (not giving Mitchell a call up) but otherwise he's achieved amazing things with Carlton as a coach and as a player. He was our Best & Fairest in a premiership season for God's sakes.

Personally I think he should stay on as coach but as often happens with Carltons, our supporters and Coterie members sometimes have more of a say than the board.

Now, to move onto Mick Malthouse himself.

Pro's

- Excellent player manager, able to get the best of even bit-part players.
- Strong tactical awareness
- Preaches a style of continuity in the senior and reserves levels so new players can come in and understand the structures.
- Excellent media style

Con's

- Coming in to a totally new club with a completely different ethos, set of supporters and history.
- Has had little interaction with the current squad and it will take time for the relationships to build.
- Tweaking our game style can potentially take a while and Carlton fans demand success, quickly.


I think he's proven over time to be an excellent coach but I still think Ratten represents the soul of the CFC and that this should count for something when they are making their decision.

I agree with the majority of this post but disagree with the most important. I think ratten needs to go. In saying that i would be livid with the club if it didnt show the utmost respect and professional nature in parting with a club champion.

Whilst i agree the players were partly to blame on the w/e, there were still some glaring coaching errors on saturday night. The one that annoyed me the most was in the first half we appeared to be playing a zonal defence. The amount of times a GC player had an uncontested mark with 4 carlton players within 15m was unacceptable. If we werent playing a zonal defence and ratten wanted man to man then questions have to be raised as to why the players werent applying it. Are the players not buying in to the coaches methods? They all claim to love ratten but actions speak louder than words and only Brock Mclean really stood up on the w/e. If it was Rattens call, why did man to man not happen sooner?

As far as MM, I was always a massive fan while he was at collingwood. He is a proven gameday tactician (something i think ratts lacks a bit) and would figure out the gameplan to suit our squad best.

The best attribute he would bring to the club though is the fact he isnt from Carlton. Its well documented it is a boys club and for us to be successful i believe we need to buck the trend a little bit.

All just my opinion of course but i am highly in favour of Malthouse.

 

[Franc de Borges]

The media is mainly to blame, but this whole 'Malthouse or Ratten' thing is unpalatable. If we require a coach there is more than one man capable.

Selecting a big name and throwing cash at the problem (our piss-poor performances) reeks of the old Carlton arrogance. Pagan, Judd, Warnock etc etc...we have an issue and we buy someone. It hasn't worked since Greg Williams.

 

[Silvagnis]

I thought the title was Mick Malthouse MEGA HEAD.

 

[Squida25]

I am a little worried if this guy is coaching us

 

[Mr.Kennedy]

I agree with the majority of this post but disagree with the most important. I think ratten needs to go. In saying that i would be livid with the club if it didnt show the utmost respect and professional nature in parting with a club champion.

Whilst i agree the players were partly to blame on the w/e, there were still some glaring coaching errors on saturday night. The one that annoyed me the most was in the first half we appeared to be playing a zonal defence. The amount of times a GC player had an uncontested mark with 4 carlton players within 15m was unacceptable. If we werent playing a zonal defence and ratten wanted man to man then questions have to be raised as to why the players werent applying it. Are the players not buying in to the coaches methods? They all claim to love ratten but actions speak louder than words and only Brock Mclean really stood up on the w/e. If it was Rattens call, why did man to man not happen sooner?

As far as MM, I was always a massive fan while he was at collingwood. He is a proven gameday tactician (something i think ratts lacks a bit) and would figure out the gameplan to suit our squad best.

The best attribute he would bring to the club though is the fact he isnt from Carlton. Its well documented it is a boys club and for us to be successful i believe we need to buck the trend a little bit.

All just my opinion of course but i am highly in favour of Malthouse.

Exactly right. Even when we are doing well with injuries,Ratts still takes too long to make a move, moves which commentators, fans and opposition fans can see but Ratts waits until we are 6 goals down before making the move. There is also too much talk for my liking regarding Ratts relationships with many at the club.

Love Ratts but his gameday coaching isn't up to speed.

I don't know if MM is the answer but I always loved how he made the average Coll list play like a well oiled machine. Our list has plenty of talent and with a coach who can figure out what style best suits our list anything can happen.

 

[Lensen]

Exactly right. Even when we are doing well with injuries,Ratts still takes too long to make a move, moves which commentators, fans and opposition fans can see but Ratts waits until we are 6 goals down before making the move. There is also too much talk for my liking regarding Ratts relationships with many at the club.

Love Ratts but his gameday coaching isn't up to speed.

Forgive my intruding, but matchday isn't really Malthouse's strength either. See: Grand Final, 2011, Tom Hawkins.

 

[Big Red is back]

At the risk of derailing in the first few posts, do you really rate him higher than Matthews and even Sheedy.

Yes re Mathews and Sheedy.

 

[Jeremias]

Selecting a big name and throwing cash at the problem (our piss-poor performances) reeks of the old Carlton arrogance. Pagan, Judd, Warnock etc etc...we have an issue and we buy someone. It hasn't worked since Greg Williams.

You are either having a laugh or lack an understanding of our football club if you think bringing Chris Judd to Carlton was a mistake.

 

[zeeCFC]

I thought the title was Mick Malthouse MEGA HEAD.

are you still caught up about Wallsy's comments on Watson?

 

[HARKER]

I may just wait for an appointment before clapping for Malthouse.

 

[I bleed Blue]

If / when we do appoint Malthouse will the fans embrace him?

 

[HARKER]

If / when we do appoint Malthouse will the fans embrace him?

Why not?

May be hard to digest now but one or two wins to start the season and the past will just be the past.

 

[Franc de Borges]

You are either having a laugh or lack an understanding of our football club if you think bringing Chris Judd to Carlton was a mistake.

He's been amazing, but has the move actually paid dividends? We are no closer to a flag now than we were in 2008.

Nope, we buy people and hope they solve the issues. They don't. Not even Judd.

These moves are great for marketing and membership but they don't necessarily prove successful on-field. I just want us to go through a diligent process rather than appointing the biggest name out there. Surely that isn't being ridiculous.

 

[Jeremias]

If / when we do appoint Malthouse will the fans embrace him?

Yes, I'm sure they will............until he loses a game. Then this entire process might just start again.

 

[oaks]

Mathouse 2013! the only replacement fitting.