Miller on SEN 9/12/04 - PLEASE READ

[meownotroar]

I would say Neville Crowe and Alan Bond were our worst presidents by far!!!!

If only Alan Bond could have found us a Bell Resouces like deal!!!

 

[itsintheblood]

I would say Neville Crowe and Alan Bond were our worst presidents by far!!!!

If only Alan Bond could have found us a Bell Resouces like deal!!!

The club would be relocated to Majorca with the skase clan.

 

[tigertime]

Ha..

You know 1980. If Macek dumped Schwab, he would have a better chance..

He is holding a gun to our head. Vote for me and you get Schwab as well.

Ha... Ha.. Ha...

You're absolutely right. But that's what infuriates some of us.

This election has become a vote on whether Miller stays or goes. And this election is not about Casey who is the worst president in the history of the RFC.

Casey has made this an election about Miller, and no-one held a challenge because they thought Miller wasnt doing his job.

Its politics at the lowest denominator. You get rid of me, Miller goes too. This action is nothing more than taking a shotgun and holding it to the head of the RFC.

 

[1980]

I would say Neville Crowe and Alan Bond were our worst presidents by far!!!!

Who could forget Crowe's brilliant roofing ads!!!!

Are you talking about the same Neville Crowe that was president and kicked-off the SOS campaign, and saved the club from following the same path as Fitzroy.

The same path Casey has put us right back on?

 

[1980]

Ha..

You know 1980. If Macek dumped Schwab, he would have a better chance..

He is holding a gun to our head. Vote for me and you get Schwab as well.

Ha... Ha.. Ha...

LMAO TT. No doubt about that!

The only way he'd have a chance is if he conducted a medieval public flopgging on Scwab in the middle of Punt Rd Oval.

 

[1980]

Casey is by no means the worst President in history. And to say that Casey has made this and election about Miller, just shows how arrogant you are. Nobody told Miller to get involved with the Casey ticket, he did it by himself. He did it because for too long this club has fu(ked up and he believes that the club is heading in the right direction. To change the board now would turn the club back around, heading back toward where we were 2 years ago.

I don't know how much you have enjoyed the past 24 years, but i can tell you that it hasn't been much enjoyment for me.

I'm arrogant. But you're just plain naive to say Miller got involved without either Casey's knowledge or consent.

The club is at the bottom of the table and has lost $2.3m this year. That's the right direction? If you're sick of the past 24 years, how about the last 5. How about the last 2??? How friggn bad has our club been in the past 2 seasons??? What on earth is this right direction you're talking about? We are starting from friggn ROCK BOTTOM.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

I'm arrogant. But you're just plain naive to say Miller got involved without either Casey's knowledge or consent.

The club is at the bottom of the table and has lost $2.3m this year. That's the right direction? If you're sick of the past 24 years, how about the last 5. How about the last 2??? How friggn bad has our club been in the past 2 seasons??? What on earth is this right direction you're talking about? We are starting from friggn ROCK BOTTOM.

No offense 1980 but....

Are you BLIND, DEAF, DUMB or all of the above???

Here's just a few points you might get your braile translater to work on for you:

- Casey got us the best available coach in Wallace.
- The past 2 years has seen some amazing young talent walk through the doors at Punt Rd. I cannot remember a time in my life where i have been THIS excited over the youngsters being recruited to the club
- He has the back up and respect of the AFL, which is a huge thing to have behind you
- He has also stated that if the situation is not turned around in the next 12 months, he will resign as President.

What you don't seem to realise is the past 3 seasons has been hard for all 30,000 odd members of this club. So imagine how hard it would be trying to sign corporates and sponsorships based on a 16/66 win loss ratio.

Even though Casey has put us in debt, i have no doubt in my mind that he has the right team at Punt Road at the moment to turn this negative, back into a major positive.

 

[ozserpico66]

Casey is by no means the worst President in history. And to say that Casey has made this and election about Miller, just shows how arrogant you are. Nobody told Miller to get involved with the Casey ticket, he did it by himself.

.

You know this for a fact? or are you just assuming?

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

You know this for a fact? or are you just assuming?

Do you know otherwise, or are you just assuming?

However it is a fact that Schwab knew he was unelectable and needed to hide behind Macek. So we have Pahoff hiding behind Schwab, hiding behind Macek who does not have time to do the job properly. They then look to people like Wood and Welsh who are unproven at the coaching/recruiting caper. It's called "the blind leading the blind".

 

[tigerT]

furthermore JJ and i will stake (my admittedly scarse reputation on these boards ) that Macek didnt even want to run for president in the beginning. I specifically remember prior to the official macek/schwab ticket being launched, macek being interviewd on sen and wen asked if he would run for pres he certainly didnt say yes! it wasnt an answer that sounded like someone who really wanted it

 

[Weaver]

furthermore JJ and i will stake (my admittedly scarse reputation on these boards ) that Macek didnt even want to run for president in the beginning. I specifically remember prior to the official macek/schwab ticket being launched, macek being interviewd on sen and wen asked if he would run for pres he certainly didnt say yes! it wasnt an answer that sounded like someone who really wanted it

But how is that different from Miller? Miller didn't originally want to run but as things went on his opinion changed and he says he felt compelled to get involved. Macek originally wanted to stay out of things and simply wanted Casey out, when that failed he supported an EGM, when that failed he was persuaded to put himself forward as President.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

But how is that different from Miller? Miller didn't originally want to run but as things went on his opinion changed and he says he felt compelled to get involved. Macek originally wanted to stay out of things and simply wanted Casey out, when that failed he supported an EGM, when that failed he was persuaded to put himself forward as President.

You have answered your own question Weaver.
Despite all their huffing and puffing the alternates have been unable to come up with any credibility. Miller has taken his stand in order to prevent serious damage being done if Schwab(either directly, or as de facto leader for Macek) happened to gain control of RFC. Nerds like Schwab and Pahoff have no right to sabotage RFC when they are unable to provide better solutions.

In all seriousness no-one in their right mind believes that Wood and Welsh offer more footy/media savvy and marketabilility than Miller and Hunt. Sure our finances need greater governance(something the AFL agrees is now back on track under CEO Wright) but we are competing in one of the toughest footy comps in the world. Our team of Wallace, Miller and Hunt is potentially the best in the AFL. The sooner this election farce is over the quicker we can get on with the real business of winning football matches.

 

[ozserpico66]

Do you know otherwise, or are you just assuming?

You're the one that made the statement smartass.

Answer the question. Do you know this to be a fact or are you making it up as you go along?

 

[cairo tiger]

we were always gfoing to get the best picks cause w efinished last gooseball.
wallace was always going to come, in fact he took the job because we delayed our bitter infighting until the right time which is now.
Casey has had good circumstance fall on him but he has continually put us as a club in bad circumstances with poor management! cant you see that! he must go!

 

[tigerT]

wallace would not WOULD NOT have come to richmond if it wasnt for greg miller, cast ur mind back to pre miller days, wen did we ever EVER land the recruit we wanted? never mate as simple as that


and guys lets refrain from the personal name calling, we all want the same thing just have differing views on how to get there, be civil and try and respect each others arguments even if we dont agree with them

 

[blackcat]

Our loss can be blamed on the past players and bloody Spud for chucking in the towel every week and letting us get beat by 40 to 60 points a game over the last 3 years. We as supporters stayed away in droves when we were getting flogged every week. So much for a big 4 club nearly every week we were the club with the least amount of supporters at the game.

It comes down to what happens on the field its not bloody rocket science. Supporters out there are looking for a scape goat and that scape goat is Casey. Everyone has a dip at the bloke because he spent more money in certain places, but in business to make money you've got to spend money and I agree some of those decisions were poor. But in a better year, where we finished further up the ladder that money that was spent would not have hurt us nearly as much as it did this year when we finished last.

Stop looking at the board and start looking at what’s happened on the field over the last few years. Some of you guys have got your heads stuck in the sand and are not willing to look at the real reason. We are where we are through poor performances on field.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

wallace would not WOULD NOT have come to richmond if it wasnt for greg miller, cast ur mind back to pre miller days, wen did we ever EVER land the recruit we wanted? never mate as simple as that

add troy simmonds and nathan brown to that list too.

 

[kipp]

1980 you must not have been around for long if you think the past 2yrs have been the worst in the last 24. To quote my grandpa, I remember when Richmond supporters turned on coach Bartlett in the rooms after a thrashing, the man was visibly shaken and wouldn't leave the players area. When after a thumping in the last game somewhere in the late 80's there was an almighty punch on in the cheer squad. When Neville Crowe told me at a members night that Laffy was going to play 200 games for the tigers. When Brian Leys played his first game against the Bulldogs at Whitten Oval. When John Northey just walked out of the club. When after watching Richard Lounder and Anthony Banik play their first couple of games and then realising that they were no good.

Cairo let me say that Wallace wasn't a certainty to go to Richmond. I'm certain if he had his time over, he probably wishes he had taken the easier route back into coaching and headed to Glenferrie Rd. And yes getting two early picks in the draft does help when rebuilding a list. But its been the job to clean up the list that has impressed me. How often have we watched blokes going around for the Tigers and wondered how they got a game. This hasn't just been for one season, but more likely three or four. You just close your eyes and shake you head in disbelief.

I can now say that while our list looks young and untried, there is a sense that like the club, its moving in the right direction.

 

[Long live the Spoon]

I have voted against Casey, but one point that no one has brought up here is that you can vote for miller without voting for Casey.

As long as you vote for no more than 9 PPL you can pick anyone on the ticket.

I voted for for the macek ticket and swapped Schawb for Miller.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

I have voted against Casey, but one point that no one has brought up here is that you can vote for miller without voting for Casey.

As long as you vote for no more than 9 PPL you can pick anyone on the ticket.

I voted for for the macek ticket and swapped Schawb for Miller.

Thats true. You can vote for Miller and not Casey only catch is....

IF CASEY LOSES, MILLER RESIGNS.

 

[tigertime]

You have to wonder how dumb people can get that they havent worked this out yet???

Thats true. You can vote for Miller and not Casey only catch is....

IF CASEY LOSES, MILLER RESIGNS.

 

[1980]

1980 you must not have been around for long if you think the past 2yrs have been the worst in the last 24. To quote my grandpa, I remember when Richmond supporters turned on coach Bartlett in the rooms after a thrashing, the man was visibly shaken and wouldn't leave the players area. When after a thumping in the last game somewhere in the late 80's there was an almighty punch on in the cheer squad. When Neville Crowe told me at a members night that Laffy was going to play 200 games for the tigers. When Brian Leys played his first game against the Bulldogs at Whitten Oval. When John Northey just walked out of the club. When after watching Richard Lounder and Anthony Banik play their first couple of games and then realising that they were no good.

That's just the way we are at Richmond. That's the way its always been. Not since 1982, but since forever.

Even when we were winning premierships, we couldnt take losing a game. Especially if it was Collingwood or Carlton.

If you dont know this, you're better go off and follow the Demons who clap the team even when they lose. At Richmond, thanfully, the supporters hate losing, and refuse to ever accept it. Even after 24 years of losing, we still hate it.

 

[tigertime]

Which makes your support of the alternative ticket even stranger.

Schwab is a world class loser.

That's just the way we are at Richmond. That's the way its always been. Not since 1982, but since forever.

Even when we were winning premierships, we couldnt take losing a game. Especially if it was Collingwood or Carlton.

If you dont know this, you're better go off and follow the Demons who clap the team even when they lose. At Richmond, thanfully, the supporters hate losing, and refuse to ever accept it. Even after 24 years of losing, we still hate it.

 

[1980]

No offense 1980 but....

Are you BLIND, DEAF, DUMB or all of the above???

Here's just a few points you might get your braile translater to work on for you:

- Casey got us the best available coach in Wallace.
- The past 2 years has seen some amazing young talent walk through the doors at Punt Rd. I cannot remember a time in my life where i have been THIS excited over the youngsters being recruited to the club
- He has the back up and respect of the AFL, which is a huge thing to have behind you
- He has also stated that if the situation is not turned around in the next 12 months, he will resign as President.

What you don't seem to realise is the past 3 seasons has been hard for all 30,000 odd members of this club. So imagine how hard it would be trying to sign corporates and sponsorships based on a 16/66 win loss ratio.

Even though Casey has put us in debt, i have no doubt in my mind that he has the right team at Punt Road at the moment to turn this negative, back into a major positive.

The best available coach in 2004 was Kevin Sheedy. And Wallace has been available a lot longer than this year. In fact, he was also available last year.

If you're a well run club, you dont need help from the AFL.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

The best available coach in 2004 was Kevin Sheedy. And Wallace has been available a lot longer than this year. In fact, he was also available last year.

If you're a well run club, you dont need help from the AFL.

You say Casey is no good because he has got us this huge loss, and that he can't handle the finances of this club appropriately.

Then you come out and talk about Kevin Sheedy and TW being available last year. As paralysing as it was to both the finances of the club and also the morale and spirit of the club, the best thing this club did was keep Danny Frawley on to serve the full length of his contract.

The poor performances really left no other option. If we had of sacked DF, we would have had to pay out his contract, whilst also signing up the new coach on a multi-million dollar contract.

Imagine how that would make Casey look now. Casey has done as well as he could have with the cards that have been dealt to him.

Not even Essendon or Collingwood would be making profits if DF was the coach playing the likes of: Nicholls, Marsh, (shall i go on???)

Mark my words, Casey will turn this club back around.