Mini-list cleanout needed.

[wraglesweb]

The question is are we really that bad is our list really that terrible ?

Add Nic Nat this year and I'm sure we would of been sitting in the top 4........

So many close losses that needed a bit of Nic Nat magic.

I am for some changes but there's no need to drop right out of contention !!

 

[Patron]

Have it on good authority that we'll be clearing our list out at the end of this year, will be double digits and somewhere in the vicinity of 12-14 exiting the squad. Today wasn't the nail in the coffin, it was probably the Collingwood game or just before it that the calls started being made and accordingly we will see a few more retirements (1 coming very soon), delistings and likely some trade action. Going to be a very different list this time next year, and one can only hope we build enough pieces to pair to NN and JK while they are still firing to get us back in flag-compete mode.

This is all very much needed but I don't really see how we are going to fill the list? Delisted FA's? The rookie list isn't exactly stacked ATM. And we can't really go deeper than 5 picks in the draft.


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[the early bird]

Thats interesting! I cant remember who from but Im sure I heard something about he and the dogs. However I am sure I will trust your source more than mine haha!!

Duggan may have been a dogs supporter I was referring to the coach as being a Pies supporter

 

[Macca81]

The question is are we really that bad is our list really that terrible ?

Add Nic Nat this year and I'm sure we would of been sitting in the top 4........

So many close losses that needed a bit of Nic Nat magic.

I am for some changes but there's no need to drop right out of contention !!

Youre probably right, seeing as we have the best FF in the country and a very strong backline. Trouble is elite midfielders are what wins premierships, and they are very hard to come by. The ones we have at the moment bar Shuey are supporting cast mids. We dont really have any young player of value outside of Gaff and Darling to trade with, but neither of those 2 is going to land us a A+ midfielder. So that leaves us waiting on Free Agency and someone wanting to join West Coast. We've never really lured an A+ midfielder over here. Is there any already established WA born and raised A+ midfielder over East that is about to become a free agent?

 

[InTheWings]

Youre probably right, seeing as we have the best FF in the country and a very strong backline. Trouble is elite midfielders are what wins premierships, and they are very hard to come by. The ones we have at the moment bar Shuey are supporting cast mids. We dont really have any young player of value outside of Gaff and Darling to trade with, but neither of those 2 is going to land us a A+ midfielder. So that leaves us waiting on Free Agency and someone wanting to join West Coast. We've never really lured an A+ midfielder over here. Is there any already established WA born and raised A+ midfielder over East that is about to become a free agent?

I would also rate Shuey as supporting cast until he starts performing in crunch games. I'm not convinced he is A-grade. More often than not, he goes missing when the heat is on.

 

[Eagleboy68]

Although when opposition ruckmen are racking up 50+ taps (eg Longer this week & Martin last week) the opposition are starting with a huge head start. We probably should have signed up a WAFL or SANFL ruck as a rookie. We were going to struggle if Lycett didn't come up. Me as well as many others said that Vardy & Petrie weren't ruckmen, which has proved correct. We might still need that backup next season.

I agree with you.

It's a separate issue though.
You can have the best ruckman ever to play the game but still end up on the bottom of the ladder if you don't fix the other issues in your team.

 

[Eagleboy68]

The question is are we really that bad is our list really that terrible ?

Add Nic Nat this year and I'm sure we would of been sitting in the top 4........

So many close losses that needed a bit of Nic Nat magic.

I am for some changes but there's no need to drop right out of contention !!

You may be right and certainly in 2015 we made the gf.

The problem though is the issues that affect the club playing on the mcg and travelling haven't been resolved since losing the gf.

We are mentally weak and fold under pressure

 

[Obeanie1]

This is all very much needed but I don't really see how we are going to fill the list? Delisted FA's? The rookie list isn't exactly stacked ATM. And we can't really go deeper than 5 picks in the draft.


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Exactly. People like to shoot from the hip a bit on here and want to move on 12 players but what do you replace them with and how? We rarely use more than 4 live draft picks before we upgrade rookies.

Out: Priddis, Mitchell, Butler, Giles(paid out), Hill, Masten (traded 3rd/ 4th rounder), Wellingham, Petrie(rookie), EMac(FA move nets a 3rd/4th rounder), Lamb (traded or delisted at players request), Brophy (already gone). That's 11 not including Le cras. 9 main list and 2 rookies.

In: 1st round, 2nd round, maybe two 3rd and two 4th round picks. So 6 live picks and we upgrade Watson to the main list = 7 players. So we need two free agents and at least 2 rookies.

Taylor Duryea
HAWTHORN
Unrestricted A regular senior player from 2014-16, the defender has found himself largely out of favour so far this season. Young enough, at 26 to survive Hawthorn's likely list overhaul at the end of this year, but needs a solid finish to the season.

Steven Motlop
GEELONG
Restricted After being put up for trade at the end of last season, Motlop has impressed Geelong this year with his improved professionalism, even if his on-field output has remained inconsistent. Both the 26-year-old and Geelong are content to wait until later in the season before addressing his future. Motlop failed to draw any serious rival bids in last year's trade period, but at his best remains one of the competition's most damaging line-breakers and will likely hold more appeal as a free agent.

Jake Spencer
MELBOURNE
Unrestricted A free agent last year, Spencer signed a one-year deal for 2017. Performed well when called up to replace injured No.1 ruckman Max Gawn before suffering a shoulder injury that was expected to sideline him until mid-season. A capable back-up to Gawn, so the Dees will likely seek to re-sign him.

Jasper Pittard
PORT ADELAIDE
Unrestricted The line-breaking defender is yet to open serious negotiations with Port and has already attracted significant opposition interest. Pittard, 26, is coming off a strong 2016 season, but negotiations with the Power could drag on until later in the season given they have a host of uncontracted players to deal with. The Victorian could attract more money at a new club, but is believed to be happy at Port.
Levi Casboult
CARLTON
Unrestricted The Blues spearhead made a solid start to 2017, kicking 17 goals in the first 10 rounds. He has also been far more accurate in front of goal – 17.4 compared to 18.18 from 20 games in 2016 – since goalkicking coach Sav Rocca's return to Ikon Park. Won't address his future until the second half of the season.

 

[peekaye]

Exactly. People like to shoot from the hip a bit on here and want to move on 12 players but what do you replace them with and how? We rarely use more than 4 live draft picks before we upgrade rookies.

I wasn't "shooting from the hip", I was telling you what I have been told which is this is what we are doing - the club is going to change the list over significantly. I don't know the club's full plan, I'd say we'll be more active than usual at the draft and rookie draft and probably try trade 2-4 players in.

 

[InTheWings]

I wasn't "shooting from the hip", I was telling you what I have been told which is this is what we are doing - the club is going to change the list over significantly. I don't know the club's full plan, I'd say we'll be more active than usual at the draft and rookie draft and probably try trade 2-4 players in.

Has your source told you who we've got our eye on?

 

[peekaye]

Has your source told you who we've got our eye on?

Nope.

 

[InTheWings]

Nope.

Oh well, it was worth a try.

 

[Nev57]

Lycett's an interesting one.

If a trade involving him helps us to secure Mitch McGovern I'd have to say go for it.

Bingo. - I'm unsure of him and how he will come back to be honest he has done this before when he was injured and came back to the first 22 ,killed it playing for east Perth ,but didn't really do a lot in the first 22 , I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I thought it might be a good opportunity to trade Lycett for a midfielder of McGovern Jnr, with NN and Vardy there I think they should handle the job and I would give Petrie another year and then you have
McGuinness as well


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[getgaff]

Bingo. - I'm unsure of him and how he will come back to be honest he has done this before when he was injured and came back to the first 22 ,killed it playing for east Perth ,but didn't really do a lot in the first 22 , I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I thought it might be a good opportunity to trade Lycett for a midfielder of McGovern Jnr, with NN and Vardy there I think they should handle the job and I would give Petrie another year and then you have
McGuinness as well


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We'd absolutely need to restock the ruck department with a mature ager from the state leagues that can step right in.

Even someone like Baulderstone out of the SANFL who although well into his prime age wise would be worth a rookie spot, maybe even a project ruck out of the under 18's as well.

I think as long as Vardy is there he'd be a better fwd/ ruck option than Slycett.

 

[Seadog]

Retired:
Priddis
Mitchell

Delist/trade/whatever:
Hill
Schofield
Butler
Lecras
Masten
McInnes
Giles
Tunbridge
Lamb
Wellingham.

On notice:
Hurn
Cripps

Captains:
Shuey
Kennedy

The club needs to cut this dead wood from its list. Absolute pea hearted players all of them.

Probably preferable to being pea brained.

 

[wraglesweb]

You may be right and certainly in 2015 we made the gf.

The problem though is the issues that affect the club playing on the mcg and travelling haven't been resolved since losing the gf.

We are mentally weak and fold under pressure

Them issues will never be completely resolved playing away for any team isn't easy it's the nature of the best.....

We definitely have some confidence issues at the moment though, but everyone stands taller with a player like Nic Nat in the side.

I'm for changes and believe we are starting to see them already, this season is more than likely a waste...

But we aren't in as a bad position as some think on here......

 

[dajesmac]

As I've said before I can think of three or four WAFL players I'd happily have at WC (Kelly, Main, Banfield and perhaps even Ryan) so if we have the list space and plenty of picks around the 45-75 range I'd be happy to see us go down this route (as opposed to the DFA method).

 

[Eagleboy68]

Probably preferable to being pea brained.

I don't know about that.

Hodor and you do alright

 

[lewigie]

As I've said before I can think of three or four WAFL players I'd happily have at WC (Kelly, Main, Banfield and perhaps even Ryan) so if we have the list space and plenty of picks around the 45-75 range I'd be happy to see us go down this route (as opposed to the DFA method).

I prefer the DMA method




..no not the band, this shit

 

[Obeanie1]

I agree with you.

It's a separate issue though.
You can have the best ruckman ever to play the game but still end up on the bottom of the ladder if you don't fix the other issues in your team.

Sure you don't need the best ruckman in the comp to be competitive but if you have Petrie and Vardy, 2nd and 3rd string rucks leading the ruck division all year you will struggle. At every stoppage you are defensive and can't be proactive. An undersized ruck gives away a lot of free kicks. I'd really like to know the stat of how many ruck frees we have given away this year compared to others.

This is not a criticism of Petrie or Vardy, I think those two are some of the few players who can actually hold their heads a fair bit higher than other players this year.

But as a backup you need someone is 200+ cm, can at least halve the stoppage and not give away soft free kicks.

 

[chaddy22]

Sure you don't need the best ruckman in the comp to be competitive but if you have Petrie and Vardy, 2nd and 3rd string rucks leading the ruck division all year you will struggle. At every stoppage you are defensive and can't be proactive. An undersized ruck gives away a lot of free kicks. I'd really like to know the stat of how many ruck frees we have given away this year compared to others.

This is not a criticism of Petrie or Vardy, I think those two are some of the few players who can actually hold their heads a fair bit higher than other players this year.

But as a backup you need someone is 200+ cm, can at least halve the stoppage and not give away soft free kicks.

Scott Jones at east perth is 205cm

 

[Obeanie1]

I wasn't "shooting from the hip", I was telling you what I have been told which is this is what we are doing - the club is going to change the list over significantly. I don't know the club's full plan, I'd say we'll be more active than usual at the draft and rookie draft and probably try trade 2-4 players in.

Fair enough "someone" at the club said we will turn over a few, maybe it's 4 rookies and 6 senior players, at a stretch 8.

In a weak draft that basically is admitting our recruitment staff have run a total root, maybe they have. To turn that many over and trade we would need to start using future picks which is something we've not done before. Not against that but we need to be smart about it.

Example: 2017 2nd round + 2018 2nd rounder for M McGovern + Crows 2017 3rd rounder.

Pick up Ah Chee as a DFA from Port.

Swap Masten or Wellingham directly for Matera.

The free agent pool balance is pretty shallow as well.

 

[VinegarStrokes]

Can we realistically get anything in return for any of these fringe players though? I doubt it. Who would give up anything for Masten, Wellingham, Hill etc. We need to grab a couple of extra picks this year (even around picks 40-50) but I don't see how knowing that we don't trade our 'senior' players of any value. We may have to trade next years 2nd for a 3rd this year and next or something similar.

 

[getgaff]

Scott Jones at east perth is 205cm

Jones is someone who'd benefit from an exit to the alignment or finding a new WAFL club firstly.

Has the raw ability but his ruck development has been hindered with guys like Eagles listed players like McInnes, Giles and Lycett being at the sane club. His forward craft needs more work to.

Not sure of his age but he might be another Darcy Cameron type who gets overlooked in a few drafts before a team takes a punt.

 

[kerr87]

Lycett for Mitch McGovern straight swap would be good.

Draft a mature ruckman from another club or even at state level and that will cover any loss.

Don't know how long we can persist with an injury prone Lycett.