Moon landing

[The Speaker]

I'm like Ed_Gein on this too. I just find it hard to believe.

Of course you do.

That's all you ever do.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Looking at it from a Game Theory perspective, the better strategy for Japan would always have been to leave the US out of the war as long as possible, especially considering their supply lines were already stretched at that point - if I received info on a threat, I'd certainly be checking again.

Japan saw itself as having no real choice. They had massive trade embargoes levied against them after they invaded Manchuria and were running low on oil, for one thing.

 

[exe ex machina]

Of course you do.

That's all you ever do.

I have seen the heart of darkness. I have embraced weltschmerz. Not fear or avoid it. And always seeking truth and open to total re-evaluation of everything and myself. It means an acquired sense of sniffing bullshit, seeing THRU the world, and the self, the facades, etc.

There is a LOT that is bullshit in this world. Like the buddhists preach.

 

[Mancey]

Wow....5 years down the track this thread is still revealing absolute goobers

 

[half_back_flank]

It's a great way to sort the wheat from the chaff.

 

[Ochre]

There is a LOT that is bullshit in this world.

I think anyone who's read your posts in this thread would already know this.

 

[Bluelegs]

I'm like Ed_Gein on this too. I just find it hard to believe.

We just put a robot the size of a car on Mars and you find it hard to believe that we couldn't put a couple of Arseholes on the moon?

I find it so bizarre that so many people with next to no knowledge on the subject can say with such confidence (maybe not you in particular) that it didn't happen when so many of the greatest minds of our time have thrown their weight behind it.

 

[half_back_flank]

I find it so bizarre that so many people with next to no knowledge on the subject can say with such confidence (maybe not you in particular) that it didn't happen when so many of the greatest minds of our time have thrown their weight behind it.

The people who have actually examined the evidence and still claim it is fake are much worse.

 

[Ed_Gein]

As for the computers you realise A) they were dedicated systems with very little in the way of multi-tasking which is the main drain on hardware.

We're talking about getting to the moon with something that has the processing power of a pocket calculator. If it was achievable back in the 60's, then surely with today;s technology, we'd be getting to the moon for weekend trips with an iPhone.

1. They doctored the set because the moon itself isnt a flat surface with a few rocks on it. They distance of the sun did have a negligible effect, initially the shadows were parallel, it was the topography of the moon/Mythbusters set that caused the different directions.

2. The one singular stage light was the scale representation of the sun.

Yes, but at no point during the video do they even attempt to replicate the distance involved, which would have no effect, topography or otherwise, on the direction of the shadows.

 

[Bluelegs]

We're talking about getting to the moon with something that has the processing power of a pocket calculator. If it was achievable back in the 60's, then surely with today;s technology, we'd be getting to the moon for weekend trips with an iPhone.

Surely you realise that in the 60's and 70's both the american and russian governments were pouring money into their space race. Once that was over the money stopped flowing. It takes a lot of money to get to the moon, even today. They just retired the last space shuttle about a year ago. This is why so many scientists have been trying to advocate getting higher funding for nasa. It's why there are campaigns like this: http://www.penny4nasa.org/ to raise NASA's funding. It's why Neil deGrasse Tyson has rants like this on NASA's current funding.

 

[Ochre]

Yes, but at no point during the video do they even attempt to replicate the distance involved, which would have no effect, topography or otherwise, on the direction of the shadows.

I'm not following

 

[Keys]

I read that Armstrong was going to come clean and admit it was a hoax and his death certificate was doctored

 

[Ed_Gein]

^ I'll watch the video soon.

I'm not following

The sun is 145,000,000km away from the moon, over that sort of distance the topography probably wouldn't matter and the shadows would be parallel with each other. The light in the studio would be lucky to be 5-8m away.

 

[Ochre]

^ I'll watch the video soon.



The sun is 145,000,000km away from the moon, over that sort of distance the topography probably wouldn't matter and the shadows would be parallel with each other. The light in the studio would be lucky to be 5-8m away.

Why would the topography not matter?

I read that Armstrong was going to come clean and admit it was a hoax and his death certificate was doctored

Was he also going to get his 7 tours back?

 

[E92_]

IIRC America had huge fuel depots at Pearl Harbor that the Japenese failed to destroy (it has been said that if they did destroy the fuel depots that it would of prolonged the war by another 2 years, I also watched a doco where they said the fuel at Pearl would of served the navy for up to 9 months) so saying that America knew when and where the attack would happen beforehand is a huge call (and complete bullshit imo).

 

[Tex_21]

We're talking about getting to the moon with something that has the processing power of a pocket calculator. If it was achievable back in the 60's, then surely with today;s technology, we'd be getting to the moon for weekend trips with an iPhone.

The "we diod it then, why can't we do it all the time now" argument? Really? With government budgets way up shit creek across the developed world, why would they waste money going somewhere we already know a lot about, and we know there is SFA there? Massive cost, bugger all reward. You do realise there have been 12 people walk on the moon?

 

[Username_lost]

Humans are not smart enough to maintain such a vast conspiracy. Would need to involve aliens.

 

[Ed_Gein]

The "we diod it then, why can't we do it all the time now" argument? Really? With government budgets way up shit creek across the developed world, why would they waste money going somewhere we already know a lot about, and we know there is SFA there? Massive cost, bugger all reward. You do realise there have been 12 people walk on the moon?

Yeah you are right, all the money is being sucked out by the 'War on Terror'. It's a disgrace.

Wrong. There have been 0 people to walk on the moon.

Humans are not smart enough to maintain such a vast conspiracy. Would need to involve aliens.

 

[Tex_21]

Wrong. There have been 0 people to walk on the moon.

So, tens of thousands of people faked multiple missions to the moon? And the USSR, with all the funding they would have put into proving it never happened (far exceeding any resources available to conspiracy theorists) were unable to do so, despite the huge 'win' that would have given them in the Cold War?

Seems legit.

 

[Bluelegs]

So, tens of thousands of people faked multiple missions to the moon? And the USSR, with all the funding they would have put into proving it never happened (far exceeding any resources available to conspiracy theorists) were unable to do so, despite the huge 'win' that would have given them in the Cold War?

Seems legit.

Damn. Imagine if they spent all that time and money on actually going to the moon!

 

[Tex_21]

Must admit that was borrowed from Mancey (better come clean on plagarism)

 

[Ed_Gein]

So, tens of thousands of people faked multiple missions to the moon? And the USSR, with all the funding they would have put into proving it never happened (far exceeding any resources available to conspiracy theorists) were unable to do so, despite the huge 'win' that would have given them in the Cold War?

Seems legit.

Tens of thousands. How accurate is that? Or is that the spiel pro-NASA observers lead you lot to believe..... I don't have all the answers. I'm not fully engrossed in the story, but i like to think i question anything i think is skeptical.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

We're talking about getting to the moon with something that has the processing power of a pocket calculator. If it was achievable back in the 60's, then surely with today;s technology, we'd be getting to the moon for weekend trips with an iPhone.

Yes and no, if you used manual course corrections etc you could get the moon using an iPhone, provided that iPhone was stripped bare and installed with dedicated software plugged into rader and telemetry system's the hardware rebuilt to with stand the G forces needed. You would even have a better chance of getting there, the computers were only for navigation and guidance. The problem is everything else basically they had a fifty fifty chance of reaching the moon or suffering some sort of failure.

Apollo 1
Apollo 6 unmanned
Apollo 13
Apollo 18 (re-tasked to attempt docking with the soyuz space craft)
All suffered horrific failures

Apollo 11
Apollo 12
Apollo 14
Apollo 16
All suffered glitches, faults and failures to non critical system's.

The idea that the Apollo missions we're a piece of cake only seems to be used by those that claim we didn't go, More then half of all the Apollo missions suffered some sort of failure.

We don't go anymore because theres no reason for governments to justify spending the money.

To clarify it needs to be more cost effective, that is at the very least the return vehicle needs to be reusable and or there must be something on the moon to exploit.

It's money, the next big thing is mars sure china wants to reach the moon but given its bloody china that shit can change on a whim.

The unpalatable truth the future of space exploration is private companies, and good old free market forces that have driven man kind forward since The stone age. When we return to the moon in all likeness the first thing in hand will be a piece of chalk to mark out where to drill.

 

[Username_lost]

Years ago I was open minded to it being a conspiracy. I watched a pro-conspiracy doco that a few friends had been raving was "evidence" that man hasn't walked on the moon. After watching it I was convinced that the only conspiracy in this whole affair is the conspiracy to prove a conspiracy and that humans most probably (I can't say for certain for obvious reasons) walked on the moon. Skepticism is fine, but sometimes it needs to applied more vigourously; it needs to be skeptical of itself.

 

[Mancey]

^ I'll watch the video soon.



The sun is 145,000,000km away from the moon, over that sort of distance the topography probably wouldn't matter

Set yourself up a little model movie set and place 2 objects, say two dunny roll holders on their ends to act as point of references.

Place one object on a flat surface in the background, and design the set so the area near the foreground object slopes diagonally away from the lightsource and towards the viewer.

Then move the lightsource further away without changing the angle of inclination.

Then give yourself an uppercut