Toast Morabito tracking thread

[Kunna17]

Nick Malceski, Max Bailey and Anthony Morabito, keep the streak alive!

thats why we signed him after all

 

[surfsup]

So where will Morabito be at next year?..........

I don't know where he'll be next year but I do see him at my gym fairly regularly. He's definately a big unit!

 

[mike91]

I don't know where he'll be next year but I do see him at my gym fairly regularly. He's definately a big unit!

You talk to him?

 

[PapaJ]

There is no way Mora is going to be pushing into the 22 early in the season. Both his match day tank and ability to backup physically contest after contest needs to be proven at WAFL level before he'll get a look-in. I'm hoping by 1/3 of the way though the season he's pushing into selection - and that will only happen if he has no setbacks. That's where I see it.

Massive 6 months coming up for Mora.

 

[pokerspiv]

Both his match day tank and ability to backup physically contest after contest needs to be proven at WAFL level

Working your way through the WAFL is what fringe players do. Morabito is one of our best players, and will no more need to work his way through the WAFL than Daniel Pearce did when he joined the club.

Our sports scientists and doctors are quite capable of assessing whether someone is fit enough or not without watching them run around in the WAFL.

It's not like round 1, 2014 is the first chance he'll get to pick up a football. The pre-season comp is where you find out how match fit your players are. Morabito should be fitter than anyone, he spent all of this season running.

 

[PapaJ]

Working your way through the WAFL is what fringe players do. Morabito is one of our best players, and will no more need to work his way through the WAFL than Daniel Pearce did when he joined the club.

Our sports scientists and doctors are quite capable of assessing whether someone is fit enough or not without watching them run around in the WAFL.

It's not like round 1, 2014 is the first chance he'll get to pick up a football. The pre-season comp is where you find out how match fit your players are. Morabito should be fitter than anyone, he spent all of this season running.

Maybe, there's a long pre-season about to start for him I'm sure, and he could get through it all super-impressively and shine like a star in the pre-season comp. It might happen and I sure as hell hope it does, but I doubt it will.

We're talking about a player who's played a handful of WAFL games in 3 plus years. He wasn't even doing full training at the end of this season let alone looking like getting a game - and he's nothing like Danyle Pearce, a seasoned 150+ game player with consecutive full seasons and pre-seasons behind him. You're talking chalk and cheese I'm afraid.

 

[Alfonz]

Look at RG3 in his comeback. It's taken about 6 games for him to start even approaching half decent form. And he is a supreme athlete, coming back from "only" a 8-9 month spell.

I would think Morabito is going to have to play at least 10 games before he is at some kind of reasonable level of form and match fitness. We can't really afford to let that be in the seniors. If he can make the AFL side by the halfway point of the year, it will be a good effort. If he comes back sooner, it will be a bonus.

 

[pokerspiv]

Sorry, who is RG3?

 

[greatgatsby]

Robert Griffin III - Washington Redskins' quarterback. Did his knee late last season (exacerbated by the coach sending him back out there after he'd done it!) Has struggled so far this year, partly because he likes to run it as much as throw it, but I think the actual injury recovery has gone well, he had his operation about the same time Mora had his.

 

[pokerspiv]

Did he have a LARS operation like Mora, and start running less than 6 weeks after the surgery? Because otherwise it's not really comparable. We have been talking about Mora's imminent return since May this year. By the time round 1, 2014 comes along, it will be 15 months since his surgery, and Morabito will have had nearly a year of running under his belt, intraclub practice games and the NAB cup. Assuming he hasn't forgotten how to play in the meantime, that should be enough to get him selected.

I'm really not entirely sure what's with the obsession of bringing guys back through the WAFL. The WAFL is for guys who aren't good enough to make the team. You don't sit your superstar players in there for weeks to "get them into form". At most 1 game to make sure you can run it out. Or you could just start Mora as the sub. He'd be a pretty handy sub.

It's not "nursing" him back into it to play him in the WAFL. If anything, he's even more likely to re-injure his knee playing WAFL than AFL, since the grounds are not as good. The only reason he will play WAFL for more than a game or two is if Ross Lyon doesn't think he's good enough to play AFL. And I find that extremely unlikely.

 

[free at last]

Nick Malceski, Max Bailey and Anthony Morabito, keep the streak alive!

There was a NFL player running around on Monday night (Vikings v giants)who had 3 ACL's,can't remember his name.
The lads who know NFL will know his name.

 

[surfsup]

You talk to him?

Not about football if that's what you mean.

 

[mike91]

Not about football if that's what you mean.

Nah, just in general. Would be pretty cool.

 

[leungtl]

There was a NFL player running around on Monday night (Vikings v giants)who had 3 ACL's,can't remember his name.
The lads who know NFL will know his name.

I don't know about that game, but I know Davis from the Panthers has had 3 ACL's and was named NFC Defensive Player of the Week last week!

(Still not enough to win me my fantasy matchup though )

 

[DMan 11]

Did he have a LARS operation like Mora, and start running less than 6 weeks after the surgery? Because otherwise it's not really comparable. We have been talking about Mora's imminent return since May this year. By the time round 1, 2014 comes along, it will be 15 months since his surgery, and Morabito will have had nearly a year of running under his belt, intraclub practice games and the NAB cup. Assuming he hasn't forgotten how to play in the meantime, that should be enough to get him selected.

I'm really not entirely sure what's with the obsession of bringing guys back through the WAFL. The WAFL is for guys who aren't good enough to make the team. You don't sit your superstar players in there for weeks to "get them into form". At most 1 game to make sure you can run it out. Or you could just start Mora as the sub. He'd be a pretty handy sub.

It's not "nursing" him back into it to play him in the WAFL. If anything, he's even more likely to re-injure his knee playing WAFL than AFL, since the grounds are not as good. The only reason he will play WAFL for more than a game or two is if Ross Lyon doesn't think he's good enough to play AFL. And I find that extremely unlikely.

I never usually reply at work because, well, I'm at work - but reading this thread after a quick glance of how the trading all finished up and I've just face palmed myself so many times I have to reply before I cave my head in.
1. Mora had a hybrid LARS, unique form of reconstruction not used in most pro athletes so very little recovery precedent to base his off. Regardless, just because player 'X' has a recon means nothing about the rehab times of player 'Y'
2. So what if he's been running for a year, he hasn't played a single game of AFL for 3 years, and very few WAFL games in this period. You are dreaming if you think that the sports science guys will advocate simulated training loads in replacement of game time.
3. You're now into the stratosphere of dreaming if you also think instead of match practice at wafl level he's simply going to be thrown on as sub in an AFL game for for premiership points for match practice - WTF ? Seriously
4. Superstar - refer to the dictionary for a definition. Does not contain the word Morabito, nor Anthony , nor any reference to a guy who's played one season with averages across most lines that rank him in the lower 3rd of the list. One running goal does not maketh the man
5. No one is 'nursed' in WAFL. They are sent there to perform and meet a number of KPI's set out by multiple departments. It's a contested training ground for our squad
6. quality of wafl grounds is average, granted. Correlation between this and knee injuries- very low, in fact I think you'll find there were more ACL's done at Subi ( with fewer games played ) than any WAFL ground

faaaarrr out off season is long.......End rant

 

[13then7]

And when you say we have been talking about his imminent return since may, who is we exactly?

You mean Gossage and co obviously. He will need to prove he is best 22 by coming through the WAFL same as the last couple of times. I hope you are right but think you are just so far off the mark. Did you see how he did his latest knee? Nothing in it.

 

[13then7]

I never usually reply at work because, well, I'm at work - but reading this thread after a quick glance of how the trading all finished up and I've just face palmed myself so many times I have to reply before I cave my head in.
1. Mora had a hybrid LARS, unique form of reconstruction not used in most pro athletes so very little recovery precedent to base his off. Regardless, just because player 'X' has a recon means nothing about the rehab times of player 'Y'
2. So what if he's been running for a year, he hasn't played a single game of AFL for 3 years, and very few WAFL games in this period. You are dreaming if you think that the sports science guys will advocate simulated training loads in replacement of game time.
3. You're now into the stratosphere of dreaming if you also think instead of match practice at wafl level he's simply going to be thrown on as sub in an AFL game for for premiership points for match practice - WTF ? Seriously
4. Superstar - refer to the dictionary for a definition. Does not contain the word Morabito, nor Anthony , nor any reference to a guy who's played one season with averages across most lines that rank him in the lower 3rd of the list. One running goal does not maketh the man
5. No one is 'nursed' in WAFL. They are sent there to perform and meet a number of KPI's set out by multiple departments. It's a contested training ground for our squad
6. quality of wafl grounds is average, granted. Correlation between this and knee injuries- very low, in fact I think you'll find there were more ACL's done at Subi ( with fewer games played ) than any WAFL ground

faaaarrr out off season is long.......End rant

Want to like this 6 times one for ........

Forget it!

 

[Gekko71]

I want Morra back as much as everyone - but I want him to have a proper playing career, not just "another shot". A long-term view is best for both player and club IMO.

I've been looking online for other athletes who've also had a hybrid LARS done to gauge their stability post procedure, but so far I haven't found any.

Surely Morra's recon wasn't a world first? Anyone know of any other similar athletes to Morra who's had the same procedure done and regained a similar level of performance to what they had pre-injury? (...I'm not counting Malceski et. al. because they had the regular LARS)

 

[Gekko71]

...So what if he's been running for a year, he hasn't played a single game of AFL for 3 years, and very few WAFL games in this period. You are dreaming if you think that the sports science guys will advocate simulated training loads in replacement of game time...

Very True. Viv had a shorter lay-off than Morra, averaged 25+ possessions a game last season for Peel but only got one AFL game as a sub. Morra has had a far more severe injury with a much longer period away from the game. Yes he's a beast with far more size and speed than Viv and if anyone can come back straight away it's him - but even so, Morra spending at least *some* time in the WAFL next year is the most likely event surely.

 

[Jezzitizle]

Im no sportsman but I imagine after three knee recos I would be delighted to try to develop confidence in my body in a much lower pressure competition away from the spotlight. Playing at his junior club is a bonus, the familiarity and support he would probably get there should help him start to feel like he is on his way. I would be very disappointed if he gets thrown straight into AFL, especially since there is nobody in the midfield that deserves to be pushed out.


If Mora makes it through a whole year in the WAFL without playing in the 1s but not picking up an injury, that's a successful season.

 

[Taylor]

Did he have a LARS operation like Mora, and start running less than 6 weeks after the surgery?

LARS is a banned procedure in the USA.

 

[mike91]

LARS is a banned procedure in the USA.

Yet you can walk down the street with a gun. That's USA for you.

 

[PapaJ]

There was a NFL player running around on Monday night (Vikings v giants)who had 3 ACL's,can't remember his name.
The lads who know NFL will know his name.

I think you're talking about Tyrell Thomas - a defensive back for the Giants. Only the last two were 'consecutive' if that makes sense. The first was in his college days (I think).

 

[Kunna17]

just a friendly word of advice, supercoach/dreamteam ladies and gents. When he's named to play JUMP ON HIM!!
Sandi + Pav should also be cheap next year maybe even Elvis so watch that!
Gumby to have a look at but not really a must have by any means.
Anyway get ready for Sylvia next year + don't t take fringe mids or small forwards or they'll miss weeks.

 

[Wigarus]

just a friendly word of advice, supercoach/dreamteam ladies and gents. When he's named to play JUMP ON HIM!!
Sandi + Pav should also be cheap next year maybe even Elvis so watch that!
Gumby to have a look at but not really a must have by any means.
Anyway get ready for Sylvia next year + don't t take fringe mids or small forwards or they'll miss weeks.

I'll put a reminder in my calendar for 6 months from now. Cheers