Most Overrated player?

[Upgrayedd]

Seconded, I have had arguments with their bonehead supporters on BF claiming that he is better then Richo, not even in the same league

people compare him to Richo? thats horrible
anyways Jon Brown is kinda over-rated, fit yes he can tear any team a new arseh*le, but not on the park to have an effect on a season or brisbane

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Nathan Buckley, mainly due to the way Collingwood persist in using him.

Has all the skills but they continue to use him as a fringe-dweller role where it is almost impossible for him to be a match-winner.

FFS give him a roving commission up forward where he can mark and kick a bag of goals on a regular basis. Now that Tarrant has finally been flicked there are no excuses not to.

 

[tribey]

And don't give me "he won 3 premiership medallions" because that's indicative of team performance. I'm sure Camporealoe isn't better than Harvey.

Martin Pike finished with 4.

Easily a better player than duckeggs Gary Ablett, Tony Lockett, Nathan Buckley and Robbie Flower then.

In all seriousness, when Mike Sheehan listed Brown at the relatively low number of 5 in his top-50 at the start of last year - due to the fact the clock is now ticking and he hasn't produced over an entire season yet as you've also said - Gerard Healy, of all people(!) argued, "but he's got three Premierships".

I could've rang up and cancelled my Fox subscription then and there.

By that logic 5-game Aaron Keating is a better ruckman than ironman Jim Stynes.

 

[Heisenberg_]

He was arguabley their best player [he was atleast playing the hardest position on the ground] at a very young age in the winning of three premierships in a row. What else does he have to do?

He wasn't even close to their best player in any of the premiership years

 

[bushie]

Johnathon Brown.

Hasn't won an AA jumper yet, hasn't dominated a season or two yet, hasn't kicked over 50 goals in a season yet. Really, what he's done to live to the hype many put on him?

Yet apparently he is viewed as the most dominant and the best forward in the game by some people? You'd think he'd kick 150+ goals last year due to all the Brown worshipping going on.

Don't get me wrong, I like how he goes about his game and he's a very good player, awesome to watch. But until he can actually put the runs on the board, he's not as good as people make him out to be. He is overhyped by the media to an extent that people follow them like sheep. He's a great player, but he's no Carey. His reputation seems to come from ripping apart a few games here and there, and having a lot of physical presence. Consistency is what he is missing - if he's really the most dominant forward in the game then he should have it. He should be tearing up games almost all the time, and going by his reputation, he should have already won a few AA positions and had dominant seasons.

But he hasn't. Well, not yet anyway. And herein lies one of the causes of his inflated rep - the "potential" word. No doubt he has the potential to overtake the rest - and maybe he will. But right now, that hasn't happened yet. Performance > potential - whether you like it or not, the fact is he hasn't done enough yet to live up to the hype. He's not the superstar some people make him out to be - well it depends how you define superstar doesn't it. In my view, superstars have the runs on the board and they do it time and time again. Like Voss, Buckley, Hird, Harvey, SoS, etc.

He's no where near that level, but his reputation here suggests that he just might be.

On-field performance never lies. He needs to string a season or two before he can even be compared to Hall, Pavlich, Tredrea, Riewoldt etc. Maybe he's better than Tredders right now, but at least the others are consistent and have an AA or two under their belt already. Hell, I'll even put Fev and Hall ahead of him as more dominant because they actually have been, in terms of individual performance. Fevola in particular kicked 80+ goals in a spoon side, the reigning Coleman medalist - here's an example of a more dominant forward as opposed to Brown who doesn't manage to get out on the park all too often, who hasn't strung up a season like he has.

If he can keep fit and suspension free, then let's hope he does dominate and win AA. It's long overdue for him.

Does this sort of well thought out, in depth and accurate analysis really deserve to be in Bay13??

Honestly Thrawn You should be ashamed of yourself.

Please lower your game in future.

 

[Thrawn]

Please lower your game in future.

Sorry man, I'll try.

brwn iz teh SuX0rz! lolzz

Better?

 

[Mentallo]

Adam Hunter.
The most overrated player of all time on the other hand......would really set off a mini tsunami on this thread.

 

[tribey]

The most overrated player of all time on the other hand......would really set off a mini tsunami on this thread.

Go on...

I have an inkling the player you're thinking of wears #5?

 

[Thrawn]

...would really set off a mini tsunami on this thread.

Really?

I thought mine would've first.

 

[Mentallo]

Go on...

I have an inkling the player you're thinking of wears #5?

No.
He is retired, probably about 6 or 7 years now, he wore an odd number less than 20, and played for a Melbourne based side.
That is all i am going to say because seriously the amount of crap that would follow really be almost unbearable.

 

[bushie]

No.
He is retired, probably about 6 or 7 years now, he wore an odd number less than 20, and played for a Melbourne based side.
That is all i am going to say because seriously the amount of crap that would follow really be almost unbearable.

Come on bubby.

Let the earthquake begin and the wave build!!

 

[Thrawn]

No.
He is retired, probably about 6 or 7 years now, he wore an odd number less than 20, and played for a Melbourne based side.
That is all i am going to say because seriously the amount of crap that would follow really be almost unbearable.

I know!

Steven Silvagni.

It must be.

EDIT: Damn, maybe not - I glossed over the fact you were a Carlton man.

 

[Mentallo]

I know!

Steven Silvagni.

It must be.

EDIT: Damn, maybe not - I glossed over the fact you were a Carlton man.

BLASPHEMY!!!!
Lucky you are a good Carlton man Thrawn.

Come on bubby.

Let the earthquake begin and the wave build!!

Because i like you you bushie i will give another clue.
He is also a Premiership player with his team and like i said earlier he has not been out of the game for too long.
Not saying this player was not a decent footballer just not the superstar everybody claims he was.

 

[tribey]

No.
He is retired, probably about 6 or 7 years now, he wore an odd number less than 20, and played for a Melbourne based side.
That is all i am going to say because seriously the amount of crap that would follow really be almost unbearable.

He is also a Premiership player with his team and like i said earlier he has not been out of the game for too long.
Not saying this player was not a decent footballer just not the superstar everybody claims he was.

- Premiership player
- Melb. based side
- Odd number less than 20
- Recently retired (6-7 years)
- You assume you'll cause an uproar by labelling this widely-heralded player as 'overrated'

Michael Long.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Dominate an entire season, for one. If he's the best forward, then he would've done it.

And no, he wasn't Brisbane's best player during their premiership years. Voss, Black, Lappin, Power... hell, Lynch and Bradshaw, were all better than him. Maybe even Leppa too. His stats and overall season performances during that timeframe doesn't support it either.

See this is what I mean about him being overrated. People say that he was their best player then but that's just not true.

And don't give me "he won 3 premiership medallions" because that's indicative of team performance. I'm sure Camporealoe isn't better than Harvey.

Watch the games again. Not just the finals. He dominates games.

Take your stats and shovem. Watch a game FFS.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

He wasn't even close to their best player in any of the premiership years

This is ridiculous.

How people forget so easily.

The most dominant big man since Carey.

And most importantly, did it when it MATTERED!!!!!!!!!!!!

And he's still young. I don't even think he's 25. When the Lions get another grea midfield, he will be a lynchpin for them to more premierships.

 

[bushie]

BLASPHEMY!!!!
Lucky you are a good Carlton man Thrawn.




Because i like you you bushie i will give another clue.
He is also a Premiership player with his team and like i said earlier he has not been out of the game for too long.
Not saying this player was not a decent footballer just not the superstar everybody claims he was.

Mentallo...the affection is mutual

But mate these clues are far too distant for a dumb WA country boy such as myself.

I think you might have to get just a tad more specific.

Just a tad mind you! I am sure some of us are getting warmer!

 

[tribey]

Watch the games again. Not just the finals. He dominates games.

Take your stats and shovem. Watch a game FFS.

How do you dominate games as a key forward?

By taking marks and kicking goals?

How are they recorded? As stats.

You can discount the hard evidence and talk about 'presence' and 'mongrel' and 'jeez he looks like Carey' all you want - the fact is, Brown compared to most key forwards worth their salt currently going around, has a very ordinary individual record.

Yes he has three Premierships - won in a stellar team chock full of Brownlow Medallists and All-Australians - but individually his reputation doesn't warrant the automatic assumption most people carry that he is the premier player in the game.

I saw a thread on the WCE board awhile back that had some Eagles fans saying they'd trade him for Judd FFS - absolute effing madness.

 

[tribey]

This is ridiculous.

How people forget so easily.

The most dominant big man since Carey.

And most importantly, did it when it MATTERED!!!!!!!!!!!!

2001 Grand Final: 16 touches, 5 marks, 2 goals
2002 Grand Final: 14 touches, 5 marks, 1 goal
2003 Grand Final: 15 touches, 8 marks, 2 goals
2004 Grand Final: 13 touches, 6 marks, 0 goals

When it mattered?

They're servicable games for a CHF - nothing more.

The way you're carrying on you'd think he'd won 4 straight Norm Smiths and took the cup home himself while Voss, Aker, Black, Lynch, Lappin, Michael, Leppitsch, Keating, Hart, Ashcroft and Power sat twiddling their thumbs in the changerooms...

 

[shiva25]

Matthew Pavlich

He is a great player, but no where near the likes of Brown or Hall.

He is not a match winner. Does not rip the game apart when it's there to be won.

He often passes off instead of taking the hard, 'champion' option - the goal from 45m on the boundary with the game in the balance.

Gets too much ball up the ground.

Doesn't take enough bigcontested marks inside 50.

I only say he is over rated, I don't say he is poor - but for mine he's not in the top 20 in the league, and when people often spout him as the number 1 player - this is where my claim of being overrated stems....

What a ridiculous comment.Pav would easily be in the top 10-15 players in the league without a doubt and desrves to be very highly rated

 

[#1 Dogs Fan]

Mcphee

 

[crow87]

I rate pav hes just in the wrong team.

I watched Pav quite closely last year as he was in my DT, I reckon he's both underrated and overrated at times, he is just not in the class of Brown or Hall and may well never be, he is simply a different kind of player, more of a riewoldt type. However on his day he can be more damaging than either of them, and if other freo players were less selfish and could deliver the ball better to him (instead of over his head, dropping short and wide of him) this wouldnt hurt either!

 

[Mentallo]

- Premiership player
- Melb. based side
- Odd number less than 20
- Recently retired (6-7 years)
- You assume you'll cause an uproar by labelling this widely-heralded player as 'overrated'

Michael Long.

Bingo!
Let the 10 year old schoolyard name calling etc commence.
Sorry bushie i did in an obscure way give the answer in my previous post.

 

[tribey]

I watched Pav quite closely last year as he was in my DT, I reckon he's both underrated and overrated at times, he is just not in the class of Brown or Hall and may well never be, he is simply a different kind of player, more of a riewoldt type. However on his day he can be more damaging than either of them, and if other freo players were less selfish and could deliver the ball better to him (instead of over his head, dropping short and wide of him) this wouldnt hurt either!

Pav gets sold short far too often.

Not in the class of Brown and Hall?

He's a four-time All-Australian (Hall = 3; Brown = 0) who can play anywhere on the ground - and he's younger than both of them.

What more does he have to do considering the rabble he's had to put up with up until recently (as you've alluded to)?

You put him in a forward line with Voss, Akermanis, Black, Lappin and Power delivering him the ball and Lynch beside him and what would happen?

 

[crow87]

Pav gets sold short far too often.

Not in the class of Brown and Hall?

He's a four-time All-Australian (Hall = 3; Brown = 0) who can play anywhere on the ground - and he's younger than both of them.

What more does he have to do considering the rabble he's had to put up with up until recently (as you've alluded to)?

You put him in a forward line with Voss, Akermanis, Black, Lappin and Power delivering him the ball and Lynch beside him and what would happen?

Apologies, I've just read my post and it doesnt really get across what I was trying to say. Pav is honestly in the top 10 players in the league atm IMO but I just think that to compare him to Brown and Hall is unfair as they are different types of players. While ultimately brilliant Pav is not the awe inspiring power forward that the other two are. Pav is a great player in a different dimension, I hope I can get across what I'm trying to say lol