Most Overrated player?

[Johnny_3]

Most overrated player?
Choose and comment.

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

Matthew Pavlich

He is a great player, but no where near the likes of Brown or Hall.

He is not a match winner. Does not rip the game apart when it's there to be won.

He often passes off instead of taking the hard, 'champion' option - the goal from 45m on the boundary with the game in the balance.

Gets too much ball up the ground.

Doesn't take enough bigcontested marks inside 50.

I only say he is over rated, I don't say he is poor - but for mine he's not in the top 20 in the league, and when people often spout him as the number 1 player - this is where my claim of being overrated stems....

 

[Butane]

Very brave, well said though.

 

[bushie]

, and when people often spout him as the number 1 player - this is where my claim of being overrated stems....

All very good Scott.

And as is your right, it is your opinion.

But for the life of me I cannot recall anyone rating Pav as the No1. player in the AFL.

But please feel free to carry on.

 

[krow]

I rate pav hes just in the wrong team.

 

[man of the match]

Matthew Pavlich

He is a great player, but no where near the likes of Brown or Hall.

He is not a match winner. Does not rip the game apart when it's there to be won.

He often passes off instead of taking the hard, 'champion' option - the goal from 45m on the boundary with the game in the balance.

Gets too much ball up the ground.

Doesn't take enough bigcontested marks inside 50.

I only say he is over rated, I don't say he is poor - but for mine he's not in the top 20 in the league, and when people often spout him as the number 1 player - this is where my claim of being overrated stems....

Shut up!! i am an eagles supporter and i would pick pavlich any day over big ugly barry and brown... and why is over rated he is brilliant.. at least i can admit... u probably go for hawthorn or some bottom dwelling team that need someone of the likes of pavlich

 

[Butane]

Freo supporter in disguise.

 

[man of the match]

Freo supporter in disguise.

it sounds that way but i am just honest

 

[QL 21]

But for the life of me I cannot recall anyone rating Pav as the No1. player in the AFL.

I'll help you remember -

Going into 2007 Pavlich is the best player in the AFL.

Why would we want to downgrade?

We will keep Pav thanks.

Even Jako called him the best player in the comp during the NAB game.

 

[bushie]

I'll help you remember -

pafc4life would be a pafc supporter so he is hardly relevant.

You know what those Port supporters are like.

And I reckon Ripper can answer for himself on this one.

But it certainly looks like he was quoting Glen Jakovich.

And you know what those Eagles are like.

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

Is anyone else going to post who they deem to be the most overrated in the league or just keep having a crack at me?

I mean I dont mind - I've said my bit....

And by the way, whoever that Weagles supporter is - it says pretty clearly I support Essendon....

Bushie, appreciate your thoughts but I stand by it....

 

[skybeau]

I rate pav hes just in the wrong team.

True that...he should be wearing a black jumper with a yellow stripe across it...sigh...what were we thinking...

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

Shut up!! i am an eagles supporter and i would pick pavlich any day over big ugly barry and brown... and why is over rated he is brilliant.. at least i can admit... u probably go for hawthorn or some bottom dwelling team that need someone of the likes of pavlich

Actually, I cant let this slide.....man of the match, if that is indeed your real name....care to elaborate on a few points, or better still, word them so I can understand?

I have not suggested Pav is no good, in fact I said he is great....i merely think he is very much overrated and should not be put in the same class as the top level players of the league....In my opinion, nearly every AFL team has 1 player equal, or better than Pav....and a few teams have several better....hence, overrated

 

[j_mac]

I rekon bushie is overated we all know he can tear the arse out of any newbie and veteren alike. but still rekon his fourth quarter efforts are still to be worked on. He also needs more pace through the midfield but thats what happens at the wrong side of forty.

 

[King Kieran]

Ah, this is easy, Anthony Rocca! Only people who actually rate him are that intellegent mob, called Collingwood supporters.

 

[QL 21]

pafc4life would be a pafc supporter so he is hardly relevant.

You know what those Port supporters are like.

And I reckon Ripper can answer for himself on this one.

But it certainly looks like he was quoting Glen Jakovich.

And you know what those Eagles are like.

Ripper said taking Judd would be downgrading, so it's fairly obvious he rates Pavlich as the best player in the comp.

Oh, and I don't think Pavlich is overrated BTW. There is always plenty of room for him at WC if he wants to play for a real team.

 

[Upgrayedd]

people rate rocca? wow, few ok games and one where he destroyed the ever impressive Zac Dawson, i wouldnt even rate him as a gun

Marc Murphy a little bit, showed lots of promise i can admit, but isnt at the level as people are saying he is

from the hawks? Lance Franklin, shown lots and we have heaps to be excited from, but not one of the premier forwards in the comp

Beau Waters-Tough Nut, but i havent been overall impressed with him

Quinton Lynch-Wouldnt get a game in a lot of teams, gifted with a good midfielder, is an ok player, but i wouldnt say star..or gun

 

[The Thinker]

people rate rocca? wow, few ok games and one where he destroyed the ever impressive Zac Dawson, i wouldnt even rate him as a gun

Marc Murphy a little bit, showed lots of promise i can admit, but isnt at the level as people are saying he is

from the hawks? Lance Franklin, shown lots and we have heaps to be excited from, but not one of the premier forwards in the comp

Beau Waters-Tough Nut, but i havent been overall impressed with him

Quinton Lynch-Wouldnt get a game in a lot of teams, gifted with a good midfielder, is an ok player, but i wouldnt say star..or gun

Murphy and Franklin will be guns. I don't think they are overrated, it is just the excitement that comes with having gun recruits in your team. Supporters of Carlton and Hawthorn and have every right to be excited over these two. Rocca has kicked 4 goals in a Grand Final as a Centre Half Forward, playing against the likes of Leper and Michael.

 

[bushie]

I rekon bushie is overated we all know he can tear the arse out of any newbie and veteren alike. but still rekon his fourth quarter efforts are still to be worked on. He also needs more pace through the midfield but thats what happens at the wrong side of forty.

Geez!

And I thought my finishing was some of the best in the competition!!

As for the pace comment!!

Well I have no reply to that.

Guilty as charged your honour.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Shut up!! i am an eagles supporter and i would pick pavlich any day over big ugly barry and brown... and why is over rated he is brilliant.. at least i can admit... u probably go for hawthorn or some bottom dwelling team that need someone of the likes of pavlich

The team he supports is right below his username. I'm guessing you're 14 and mummy said you have to wait a few months to get the PS3, until the price has gone down?

 

[Thrawn]

Johnathon Brown.

Hasn't won an AA jumper yet, hasn't dominated a season or two yet, hasn't kicked over 50 goals in a season yet. Really, what he's done to live to the hype many put on him?

Yet apparently he is viewed as the most dominant and the best forward in the game by some people? You'd think he'd kick 150+ goals last year due to all the Brown worshipping going on.

Don't get me wrong, I like how he goes about his game and he's a very good player, awesome to watch. But until he can actually put the runs on the board, he's not as good as people make him out to be. He is overhyped by the media to an extent that people follow them like sheep. He's a great player, but he's no Carey. His reputation seems to come from ripping apart a few games here and there, and having a lot of physical presence. Consistency is what he is missing - if he's really the most dominant forward in the game then he should have it. He should be tearing up games almost all the time, and going by his reputation, he should have already won a few AA positions and had dominant seasons.

But he hasn't. Well, not yet anyway. And herein lies one of the causes of his inflated rep - the "potential" word. No doubt he has the potential to overtake the rest - and maybe he will. But right now, that hasn't happened yet. Performance > potential - whether you like it or not, the fact is he hasn't done enough yet to live up to the hype. He's not the superstar some people make him out to be - well it depends how you define superstar doesn't it. In my view, superstars have the runs on the board and they do it time and time again. Like Voss, Buckley, Hird, Harvey, SoS, etc.

He's no where near that level, but his reputation here suggests that he just might be.

On-field performance never lies. He needs to string a season or two before he can even be compared to Hall, Pavlich, Tredrea, Riewoldt etc. Maybe he's better than Tredders right now, but at least the others are consistent and have an AA or two under their belt already. Hell, I'll even put Fev and Hall ahead of him as more dominant because they actually have been, in terms of individual performance. Fevola in particular kicked 80+ goals in a spoon side, the reigning Coleman medalist - here's an example of a more dominant forward as opposed to Brown who doesn't manage to get out on the park all too often, who hasn't strung up a season like he has.

If he can keep fit and suspension free, then let's hope he does dominate and win AA. It's long overdue for him.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Ah, this is easy, Anthony Rocca! Only people who actually rate him are that intellegent mob, called Collingwood supporters.

Seconded, I have had arguments with their bonehead supporters on BF claiming that he is better then Richo, not even in the same league

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Johnathon Brown.

Hasn't won an AA jumper yet, hasn't dominated a season or two yet, hasn't kicked over 50 goals in a season yet. Really, what he's done to live to the hype many put on him?

Yet apparently he is viewed as the most dominant and the best forward in the game by some people? You'd think he'd kick 150+ goals last year due to all the Brown worshipping going on.

Don't get me wrong, I like how he goes about his game and he's a very good player, awesome to watch. But until he can actually put the runs on the board, he's not as good as people make him out to be. He is overhyped by the media to an extent that people follow them like sheep. He's a great player, but he's no Carey. His reputation seems to come from ripping apart a few games here and there, and having a lot of physical presence. Consistency is what he is missing - if he's really the most dominant forward in the game then he should have it. He should be tearing up games almost all the time, and going by his reputation, he should have already won a few AA positions and had dominant seasons.

But he hasn't. Well, not yet anyway. And herein lies one of the causes of his inflated rep - the "potential" word. No doubt he has the potential to overtake the rest - and maybe he will. But right now, that hasn't happened yet. Performance > potential - whether you like it or not, the fact is he hasn't done enough yet to live up to the hype. He's not the superstar some people make him out to be - well it depends how you define superstar doesn't it. In my view, superstars have the runs on the board and they do it time and time again. Like Voss, Buckley, Hird, Harvey, SoS, etc.

He's no where near that level, but his reputation here suggests that he just might be.

On-field performance never lies. He needs to string a season or two before he can even be compared to Hall, Pavlich, Tredrea, Riewoldt etc. Maybe he's better than Tredders right now, but at least the others are consistent and have an AA or two under their belt already. Hell, I'll even put Fev and Hall ahead of him as more dominant because they actually have been, in terms of individual performance. Fevola in particular kicked 80+ goals in a spoon side, the reigning Coleman medalist - here's an example of a more dominant forward as opposed to Brown who doesn't manage to get out of the park all too often, who hasn't strung up a season like he has.

If he can keep fit and suspension free, then let's hope he does dominate and win AA. It's long overdue for him.

He was arguabley their best player [he was atleast playing the hardest position on the ground] at a very young age in the winning of three premierships in a row. What else does he have to do?

 

[Ripper]

Ripper said taking Judd would be downgrading, so it's fairly obvious he rates Pavlich as the best player in the comp.

Oh, and I don't think Pavlich is overrated BTW. There is always plenty of room for him at WC if he wants to play for a real team.

Are you my big Sister QL? She was always putting words in my mouth.

Pav is good but He is still behind an injury free J Brown on absolute match day performance but ahead of him overall because He is there every week.

Probably a tad behind Goodsie as well at present.

 

[Thrawn]

He was arguabley their best player [he was atleast playing the hardest position on the ground] at a very young age in the winning of three premierships in a row. What else does he have to do?

Dominate an entire season, for one. If he's the best forward, then he would've done it.

And no, he wasn't Brisbane's best player during their premiership years. Voss, Black, Lappin, Power... hell, Lynch and Bradshaw, were all better than him. Maybe even Leppa too. His stats and overall season performances during that timeframe doesn't support it either.

See this is what I mean about him being overrated. People say that he was their best player then but that's just not true.

And don't give me "he won 3 premiership medallions" because that's indicative of team performance. I'm sure Camporealoe isn't better than Harvey.