Murali Reported

[carn_the_nmfc]

Originally posted by DKA
And you were there, present, to see all that were you?

What would a member of the University Of WA be doing on here?

So many experts out there, that think just because they themselves didn't see anything, that it didn't occur.

Utter ignorance.

Buddy,

I understand that you are not Ray Nolan. However you seem to know what went on with Murili's report. Can you tell me if there has been a decision made on this yet?

 

[DKA]

Originally posted by goaldrush
Buddy,

I understand that you are not Ray Nolan. However you seem to know what went on with Murili's report. Can you tell me if there has been a decision made on this yet?

Thanks, goaldrush.

I don't know much more than anyone else really.

Going on a strong rumour from a friend out of perth, that the word is that he is clear.

Which begs the question, if he is actually clear, imagine what the 2 test series in July here in aus will be like.

Yikes.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Originally posted by DKA
Thanks, goaldrush.

I don't know much more than anyone else really.

Going on a strong rumour from a friend out of perth, that the word is that he is clear.

Which begs the question, if he is actually clear, imagine what the 2 test series in July here in aus will be like.

Yikes.

Thanks. When you find out can you tell us please?

 

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by DKA
Hang on a sec here. Your against murali, and I say seeing that they flew him out here, they WOULD MAKE SURE he bowled the doosra so the proper delivery can be assessed.

You disagreed, saying that because THEY ARE flying him here, and causing all this hoo-haa, its more LIKELY they WONT make him bowl the doosra.

Where is the sense in that, please, explain it. And no, I'm not in agreeance with you.

Cooldude, apprec your arguments, good ones, least someone can hold a decent argument in here.

No, not at all.

Im not 'against' Murali. That, in fact, is one of the most annoying things that I hear when people defend him. They take it as a personal attack. You appear to be doing the same. I doubt anyone is against the man himself.

What I am against is the process under which his action is reported and now tested. Im against the system, which allows, IMO, Murali to play - and play against the rules.

To answer your question - I never said they wouldnt make him bowl the delivery that is under question, thats a complete nonsense and wouldnt make a shred of sense. You're either not understanding what Im saying, or you're making things up to suit you. Its not about whether he bowled the doosra or not - the fact is, he did, albeit in a more relaxed mode (this from several reports). Which brings me to my point from so long ago - the conditions under which he has been tested - the system - is a joke. scmods summed it up pretty well.

Read slowly - if they were going to go to all the effort of flying him out there and do the tests, I would hope that they would try and replicate the conditions under which he plays as much as possible, and ensure that he was bowling in the same manner. It appears that they didnt, and their efforts in appointing Bruce Yardley to oversee his action were just a lame, half arsed attempt at a control IMO.

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by DKA
You know the 90/10 degree angles do you? So you got a ruler and so forth out, went upto the tv a proved it?

Don't need to. I'm not as thick as you, I know what a 90 degree angle looks like and what a 10 degree angle looks like. And I know when an elbow is bent at about a 90 degree angle without needing a protractor.

Look, there's no doubting that murali is different, that's just the way he is. He can't change that about himself. The way he bowls his normal off break, is not normal, nor is the doosra - but as far is his off breaks are concerned, this has been cleared, so people having a go at that one, are basically never going to win, as that will not be taken away from him.

Agree, but that doesn't mean he doesn't chuck. He has *never* been tested under match conditions. Ever. All the tests in the nets prove is that he can bowl legally if he tries hard enough.

The ball he delivers, is with his palm almost facing the sky. The conventional way, is for the hand/palm to be angled to the ground, like warne and any other spin bowler.

The only stand out benefit he gets, is the air. Warne or any spinner can use any amount of force as they rip down over the ball. They also have the air benefit of tossing the ball up. Thus warne's use of variation.

Murali's talent does not lie in his finger or his arm. It's his wrists that do the damage, if you've seen on the cricket show, where he's bent that thing to all sorts of angles.

If you had a rubber wrist, wouldn't you be bowling wrong-un's too?

He gets an enormous benefit by bending his arm and straightening it just prior to releasing the ball. That is throwing and it is also illegal. If it wasn't, avery bowler would be bowling like him.

Everyone man and his dog can't do what murali does. You can't teach a person to cheat or chuck.

People will always have their opinion, no matter what verdict is given.

If he's called, it's a good thing - others say not

If he's cleared, it's a bad thing or it was rigged - others say not.

I just hope it all ends soon, either way.

BTW - I don't think he should tour Zim, until this is all settled.

I'm not Ray Nolan either, I don't say "geezer" and don't say "cheers" - just that's I've read most of the cricket threads, and it's actually quite good, so I decided to join.

Good for you.

 

[utility]

I find it difficult to believe that they could simulate a test match environment in the nets... if they can't then the tests are really only lip service. If they were able to perform the same tests in a test match environment then they might have more credibility... and don't get me started on Yardley.

 

[DKA]

Latest news......

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Bruce Elliott, the biomechanist at the University of Western Australia, has admitted that his research has so far not produced clear-cut conclusions regarding the legality of Muttiah Muralitharan's controversial doosra. Elliott will sit down with fellow scientists at the University of Western Australia and finalise the analysis by Tuesday.

Earlier reports claimed that the Sri Lankan board already knew the verdict. But Elliott told Guardian newspaper on Friday: "We have given Murali a preliminary report with some numbers. I can't say it is as clear as saying there is zero degrees [of straightening] but one needs to look at everything in totality and in a package.

"I have provided the test scores to Murali and Daryl Foster [the Australian bowling analyst] but I have not spoken to anyone from Sri Lanka. Our report will be finished by next Tuesday and will be emailed to Sri Lanka then."

Elliott confirmed that Muralitharan had returned to the university to repeat the tests after originally bowling 28 deliveries which were filmed by 12 high-speed cameras. The tests were repeated after concerns were raised in the media that he might have been bowling slower than he normally did in Test cricket. A speed gun was used during the second set of tests.

Elliott was adamant though that a bowler could not fool the cameras: "I cannot guarantee that he will not throw in a Test match but I am very confident that what we collected is an accurate reflection of what he does in the middle. The rotation speed of his arm was so high – as much as many fast bowlers, including Pakistan's Shabbir Ahmed, who was here for testing recently – that I am confident he was bowling normally."

The results of the two test sessions were similar and Elliott, who had earlier stated that he was skeptical of Muralitharan's ability to bowl the doosra without straightening his arm, admitted that he had been surprised by computer images that showed him bowling with a more round-arm action than expected.

"He is very relaxed for someone who has as much pressure on him," Elliott said. "He fervently believes that he doesn't extend his arm. He has such rotational ability with his wrist, his strange elbow and in his shoulder that it is quite possible that it is an optical illusion."

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It's important to note, especially as most in here question the testing process, that a speed gun was used in the 2nd round of tests, due media questioning.

With the speed gun, I'm sure they'd measure it up against the speed of his match day balls.

Interesting.

 

[scmods]

Originally posted by DKA
It's important to note, especially as most in here question the testing process, that a speed gun was used in the 2nd round of tests, due media questioning.

With the speed gun, I'm sure they'd measure it up against the speed of his match day balls.

Interesting.

Very interesting.

I'm glad they repeated the tests under more stringent conditions, but why didn't they just do that the first time? It shouldn't take media involvement to remind them of the fundamentals of testing!

Sounds like it's heading towards a pretty inconclusive result, though, which means the issue will just go on.

 

[DKA]

Originally posted by scmods
It shouldn't take media involvement to remind them of the fundamentals of testing!

Agreed.

 

[corporal]

I heard a rumour last night that Murali has been banned from bowling the "doosra" and if he does he will be suspended for a year by the ICC.

 

[Gopies 2002]

Judging from what the SL are saying, it appears he has been given the all clear.

 

[Gopies 2002]

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