Cars & Transportation Myki

[Johnson#26]

is going to be (imo) a real problem in victoria. listening to neil mitchell's show on 3aw just prior, how is the machine going to cope when 30,000 people are streaming through the gates at richmond station after a big drawing fixture (for example)? wayyyy too many flaws with this, imo.

 

[bigange]

A girl on my line who catches the same train as me most of the time is testing a myki ticket and she has said it is terrible. About a 50-60% succesful rate on scanning on and off first time, has taken up to eight times she said!!!

Imagine just 20 people with the same problem rushing for a train, let alone 200 or 2000 or god forbid 20,000.

 

[Speck]

Had a look the other day at the website.

I noticed that the equivalent of a yearly for a concession is over $900. This year it's $410. Surely that can't be right? I catch the train every day and its probably worth me not having a myki and accepting any fines that come my way. It will work out cheeper!

 

[Shell]

There are many other problems too with this system apparently.

Like if you have a 2-hour ticket about to expire, yet the train you are waiting for is late or cancelled, (and the time ticks over) they expect you to pay again!!! **** them if they think I'll be doing that in that situation...

I've also heard "yearly" and "monthly" tickets are only for Monday - Friday and if those ticketholders want to travel on the weekend, they have to pay each time.

Its an absolute joke.

Edit: about the two hour tickets.. i wonder if they give you the "extra" time leading up to the first hour. Like if you buy the ticket at 2.15pm, then its valid till 5pm. I betcha that will fly out the window too with Myki

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Edit: about the two hour tickets.. i wonder if they give you the "extra" time leading up to the first hour. Like if you buy the ticket at 2.15pm, then its valid till 5pm. I betcha that will fly out the window too with Myki

it sure does. Pensioners will be very hard hit. Many of them strategically validate just after the hour, to effectively get 3 hours.

Not any more...

 

[Shell]

it sure does. Pensioners will be very hard hit. Many of them strategically validate just after the hour, to effectively get 3 hours.

Not any more...

Crap.

Hey I do that too, I'm not a pensioner!!!

One time I was on a tram, got on it at exactly 3.58 or something like that. Waited til the time clicked over, JUST as I validated my ticket.. im talking like seconds after the whole gang of ticket inspectors busted into the tram.

Im like: Didnt get me you pricks...

What about the time when you use transport after 6pm? Will you get it till 3am...

 

[saj_21]

Lynne Kosky is the most useless Politician ever to grace Victorian Parliament. I would love to have a job where i am in charge of a project that is 2 years over due and a $ 1 billion (?) over budget, yet keep my job!

I have heard nothing but bad reviews for this myki system, what a complete waste of time and money, the only people it will benefit is the company who won the contract to install them!

Thank god i only catch the train 4 or 5 times a year!

 

[Shell]

Thank god i only catch the train 4 or 5 times a year!

Yeah I use them mainly to go to the footy each weekend!

And some other times to go into the city and thats it..

 

[Deledinho]

Lynne Kosky is the most useless Politician ever to grace Victorian Parliament.

I have little doubt that any of us here on BigFooty would do a better job than this arseclown. Can't wait for the state election next year.

 

[Lazarus]

I'm gonna be driving much more. Probably cheaper.

 

[Scotland]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartrider

We have Smartrider (link above) and it's fine. You buy a card for $10 and either put some cash on it at a major sation/newsagent etc. when it runs out or sign up to have it linked to your bank account each time it drops below $10 credit. All student/pensioner etc. ID cards also double as Smartrider cards also.

Tag on.
Catch a train from Zone 2 into the city.
Tag off.
Cash fare less 15% (25% is card direct loaded to bank account) is debited.
Walk into the shops for half an hour then walk back to the station.
Tag on.
Catch a train from the city back into Zone 2.
Tag off.
No charge.

If you get a bus, ferry etc. back into Zone 2, you will also not be charged. If you go into Zone 3 or 4 you will be charged the difference as if you were originating Zone 2. Etc. If you travel anywhere after 9am and then back, you will be charged the flat 'dayrider' fare if the cost of two one way trips exceeds the dayrider cost. Essentially you can travel from Clarkson to Mandurah and back for about $9 as an adult.

Only problem is if you tag onto a train and don't tag off you'll be debited the cost of a fare to Mandurah. If you tag onto a bus and don't tag off you'll be debited the maximum fare of that bus route.

Yearly, monthly, two hours etc. tickets with this kind of system just sounds overly complicated and a recipe for disaster.

 

[Ledger]

I travel to Japan each year and always top up my Suica card, it's instant and you can use it to buy other things - it's pricey but it works (and i'm able to purchase items are convenience stores) and the trains are almost never late but this MyKi crap isn't going to work for the simple reason highlighted by the OP.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jqMngzMq4[/YOUTUBE]

It takes far too long and will cause a lot of delays with people lining up to swipe the card. There are other vids on youtube highlighting how long it takes. I'd love to know what happens if you scan the card but forget to scan it when you're getting off the bus/train/tram?

Shit's me when I see all those MyKi employed ********s telling me to sign up for it - it's not ready so I don't care. Honestly why couldn't be just use the Suica/Octopus/etc? Hopefully someone hacks this crap and I don't have to pay.

 

[lifelike_]

You'd think that with a warchest of a billion dollars, improving rail infrastructure would be at the top of the list.

Instead Victoria gets an arsey ticketing system that isn't needed, while keeping the same network that buckles under any sort of pressure.

Absolutely moronic.

 

[mantis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartrider

We have Smartrider (link above) and it's fine. You buy a card for $10 and either put some cash on it at a major sation/newsagent etc. when it runs out or sign up to have it linked to your bank account each time it drops below $10 credit. All student/pensioner etc. ID cards also double as Smartrider cards also.

Tag on.
Catch a train from Zone 2 into the city.
Tag off.
Cash fare less 15% (25% is card direct loaded to bank account) is debited.
Walk into the shops for half an hour then walk back to the station.
Tag on.
Catch a train from the city back into Zone 2.
Tag off.
No charge.

If you get a bus, ferry etc. back into Zone 2, you will also not be charged. If you go into Zone 3 or 4 you will be charged the difference as if you were originating Zone 2. Etc. If you travel anywhere after 9am and then back, you will be charged the flat 'dayrider' fare if the cost of two one way trips exceeds the dayrider cost. Essentially you can travel from Clarkson to Mandurah and back for about $9 as an adult.

Only problem is if you tag onto a train and don't tag off you'll be debited the cost of a fare to Mandurah. If you tag onto a bus and don't tag off you'll be debited the maximum fare of that bus route.

Yearly, monthly, two hours etc. tickets with this kind of system just sounds overly complicated and a recipe for disaster.

I assumed the Myki was going to work the same way as the Smartrider which did work well most of the time. Sure sometimes the machines weren't working, so you got a free trip, but other times it charges too much, so you have to keep a watch on how much you were charged each trip. I had to get refunds on 6 occasions.

It was very convenient though, because you didn't have to have change stockpiled, just log on the net & transfer some money on to your card.

 

[lemmon]

Are there any supposed advantages over the current Metcard system or are they just pulling this crap for shits and giggles?

 

[peternorth]

is this system similar to the one in hong kong? their system hasnt failed me once....and theyre trains are always on time, clean and air conditioned. topping up is easy and you can buy various goods (ie from 7-11) with the same card.

 

[Big John]

One of the big advantages that will follow from myki will be a massive improvement on data collection which should lead to service improvements down the line. Current system can do the same thing, but since nobody bothers to validate on trams the data gathered from when people are getting on and off is pretty miuch useless.

 

[THRILLHO]

The Age did a big feature on it a month or two back. It's just a shambles. The whole thing is a mess. I'm glad I dont catch trains and only catch trams when I absolutely have to, because the system is ridiculous.

The worst thing is, it's massively over budget, massively behind time and the Victorian government could be penalising the operator of Myki a monetary sum (quite large, cant remember off the top of my head) per day it is late, but they have chosen not to. Amazing.

The Age, in the article, were also kind of suggesting that Myki is getting a 'soft' rollout (that is, no fixed date for introduction) to protect Kosky. It wont work. When it finally comes online and the whole thing shits itself, Kosky will have to go. Borrowed time.

Man, I get irate about this shit and I dont even catch public transport.

 

[TheStinger]

Will it still essentially be the same system of ticket machines at the train stations? I come over to Melbourne a couple of times a year to visit family and go to some games and the ticket system seems to work fine the way it is.

I don't want to be the one holding up the line because I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

[Scotland]

I assumed the Myki was going to work the same way as the Smartrider which did work well most of the time. Sure sometimes the machines weren't working, so you got a free trip, but other times it charges too much, so you have to keep a watch on how much you were charged each trip. I had to get refunds on 6 occasions.

It was very convenient though, because you didn't have to have change stockpiled, just log on the net & transfer some money on to your card.

Interesting. I've never once been charged too much, but I only regularly catch the train in and out of the city from Zone 2.

Myki appears to be a shemozzle. Chalk one up for Perth not being the one being behind the times/cocking something up.

 

[SJ]

I'm glad I dont catch trains and only catch trams when I absolutely have to, because the system is ridiculous.

I can't see how they will work on trams. Trams into the CBD at peak hour are always chockers, you can barely fit on (if at all) most of the time.

What will happen when, for example, an overfull tram down Swanston Street at peak hour stops outside Melbourne Central and half the tram wants to get off at the one stop? How long will this take?!

 

[drew_j]

I can't see how they will work on trams. Trams into the CBD at peak hour are always chockers, you can barely fit on (if at all) most of the time.

What will happen when, for example, an overfull tram down Swanston Street at peak hour stops outside Melbourne Central and half the tram wants to get off at the one stop? How long will this take?!

This is one of the biggest probelms I see. The train I take, about 80% of the people get off at one stop. It takes 5 minutes to get out of the choke point exit now. It'll take ages when everyone has to swipe off.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

It's pretty ridicules. How do they check tickets? Do the TI's have a scanner or something?

 

[Scotland]

Buses and trams have on board scanners as you'd expect, but over here the train scanners are at the stations, not on the trains. You could conceivably have a scanner a tram stop too I suppose.

All of the passengers can get off at one stop and the train can continue on its way, the passengers just need to swipe their cards before they leave the station. Six-car trains from the North and South rail lines can arrive simultaneously at Perth Underground during morning peak hour and the delay in getting out of the station is no more than a minute or two. Six-car trains hold around 1000 passengers or so I believe.

And yeah our ticket inspectors carry hand scanners about the size of an iphone which they use to check whether or not you've tagged on.

 

[mantis]

This is one of the biggest probelms I see. The train I take, about 80% of the people get off at one stop. It takes 5 minutes to get out of the choke point exit now. It'll take ages when everyone has to swipe off.

Drew, it actually takes less time to scan the card than putting the current tickets through the turnstiles, you just quickly put it against the scanner & bam you're off. It will be fantastic at Box Hill station peak hour, it's a nightmare with people both side trying to use the ticket scanners at once.