Review Narrow loss v Geelong

[Zach Package]

the thing that stood out for me last night is the respective forward lines. Ours is a work in progress and horribly inconsistent, theirs is clinical, stacked with genuine match winners and is capable of keeping them in games even if the team isn't playing well.

Compared to us they've got so many more dangerous forwards (mainly small), and that was ultimately the story of the game.

Would love us to draft a mid who pushes forward like Murdoch or Duncan

 

[Yoda_]

We cannot play Carlisle and Joe in the same forward line. They are essentially the same type of forward.


Won't be long until we see a CarlisleTBC forward line anyways me thinks

 

[srobbo]

Why is Melksham getting a game...
Why do we keep playing Hardingham...
Go and check out a game of VFL, we have very little depth.
Yes there are players you could bring in (Dell, Edwards, Kav, Aylett etc.) but none of them are banging the door down.
We seem to have to carry the last 3-4 of the 22 at the moment.

There in a nutshell is why where we are. We're continually rotating those blokes you mention in and out because they don't cut it at senior level.

Melksham & Hardingham are liabilities. Been saying it for 3-4 years, yet they keep getting games. No way we are going anywhere with them in the side.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Interesting the article on SEN.com constantly said how ****ed we were by the umps. If even media say it then you've been especially rolled over

 

[efcboy]

As far as I'm concerned EFC won last night. Better team by far.

Removing AFL corruption EFC also won the 2013 premiership and Carlton finished 9th..

 

[PeaTea]

The Brisbane win makes the anger from last night subside just a little bit.

 

[yaco55]

We cannot play Carlisle and Joe in the same forward line. They are essentially the same type of forward.


Won't be long until we see a CarlisleTBC forward line anyways me thinks

Think Carlisle/JD works well when you play Ambrose. T-Bell is a non-factor as a forward.

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

I'm not sold on Ump interference, It helped both sides at times, maybe when we were pressing the kicks went against us, but I thought it was alright.

 

[WillowSF]

Cats were very lucky in the end. Goddard has been an amazing pickup for you guys. Top 10 player in the AFL. Not sure about the recruitment of Chappy though. A proud footballer but he really looked like he's done and will struggle to see out the season.

 

[hurlygurdy]

Think Carlisle/JD works well when you play Ambrose. T-Bell is a non-factor as a forward.

You can't actually say that about a guy who kicks 30 odd goals in a part time forward role like last year. The only reason they dropped him was because of Carlisle. Otherwise they would have persisted and attempted to play him back into form. I think that would have been the right way to go about it, because if we have TBC looking really dangerous up there and kicking 2 or 3 goals, then the rest of the forward line will fall into place around him. Even out of form he makes a structural difference. The real issue is that there is only one place for Carlisle/JD. That should be working out by now because who would have thought JD would be going so well so late in the year? Carlisle can take TBC's place as long as he can play deep effectively like he did this week. But one game doesn't prove a rule, and we still lose that flexibility of switching the rucks.

Cats were very lucky in the end. Goddard has been an amazing pickup for you guys. Top 10 player in the AFL. Not sure about the recruitment of Chappy though. A proud footballer but he really looked like he's done and will struggle to see out the season.

Chappy might need a break, but one of the greatest finals players ever is never going to be "done" in round 14! Watch him come back dominate within the next few weeks.

There in a nutshell is why where we are. We're continually rotating those blokes you mention in and out because they don't cut it at senior level.

Melksham & Hardingham are liabilities. Been saying it for 3-4 years, yet they keep getting games. No way we are going anywhere with them in the side.

So you've been saying that a player who is now 22 is a liability for 3 or 4 years huh? Melksham has been disappointing this year, no doubt. But he earned some leeway late last season and the club would be crazy not to follow whatever they think is the quickest path back to that form. If they think the VFL is not the way to go for some reason then, while i may not agree, so be it.

 

[eth-dog]

There in a nutshell is why where we are. We're continually rotating those blokes you mention in and out because they don't cut it at senior level.

Melksham & Hardingham are liabilities. Been saying it for 3-4 years, yet they keep getting games. No way we are going anywhere with them in the side.

Melksham was a liability as an 18 year old? And same with Hardingham in his first year, where he kicked 4 on debut?

 

[BrunoV]

You can't actually say that about a guy who kicks 30 odd goals in a part time forward role like last year. The only reason they dropped him was because of Carlisle. Otherwise they would have persisted and attempted to play him back into form. I think that would have been the right way to go about it, because if we have TBC looking really dangerous up there and kicking 2 or 3 goals, then the rest of the forward line will fall into place around him. Even out of form he makes a structural difference. The real issue is that there is only one place for Carlisle/JD. That should be working out by now because who would have thought JD would be going so well so late in the year? Carlisle can take TBC's place as long as he can play deep effectively like he did this week. But one game doesn't prove a rule, and we still lose that flexibility of switching the rucks.

If TBell can't find some form I think that the issue will very quickly become whether there is any room for him.

 

[srobbo]

Melksham was a liability as an 18 year old? And same with Hardingham in his first year, where he kicked 4 on debut?

No on both. Not sure the relevance??

The last 3 years...2012-14 absolutely they both have & probably you could go back to 2011 for Hardingham when Hird thought it was a good idea to play him off a HB when he didn't have a clue how to defend.

Melksham the last 3 seasons including this has been awful. Any objective Ess supporter would agree with that.

 

[BotsMaster]

Very close enjoyable game guys.

 

[Yoda_]

There in a nutshell is why where we are. We're continually rotating those blokes you mention in and out because they don't cut it at senior level.

Melksham & Hardingham are liabilities. Been saying it for 3-4 years, yet they keep getting games. No way we are going anywhere with them in the side.

I tend to agree with you srobbo

Our bottom 4 guys are continually rotated and unfortunately not good enough to force their way up the order.

If only we could afford the luxury of having EKav as the 22nd player for a month, rather than the 19th player for a month. It's noticeable.

 

[eth-dog]

No on both. Not sure the relevance??

The last 3 years...2012-14 absolutely they both have & probably you could go back to 2011 for Hardingham when Hird thought it was a good idea to play him off a HB when he didn't have a clue how to defend.

Melksham the last 3 seasons including this has been awful. Any objective Ess supporter would agree with that.

You said 4 years, dating back to their 1st year

 

[hurlygurdy]

No on both. Not sure the relevance??

The last 3 years...2012-14 absolutely they both have & probably you could go back to 2011 for Hardingham when Hird thought it was a good idea to play him off a HB when he didn't have a clue how to defend.

Melksham the last 3 seasons including this has been awful. Any objective Ess supporter would agree with that.

Don't know the stats for Melksham last year, but to say he was awful is just plain silly

 

[84859300]

Don't know the stats for Melksham last year, but to say he was awful is just plain silly

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/J/Jake_Melksham.html

Going to struggle to reach last years numbers...

 

[yaco55]

Too many hang their hats on T-bell kicking 30 goals as a ruck/forward in 2013. Think Dean Cox has achieved this once in his career - Teams quickly work out who is a danger and plan accordingly - T-bell is a ruck - This is his core function - And a non-negotiable.

 

[BrunoV]

Too many hang their hats on T-bell kicking 30 goals as a ruck/forward in 2013. Think Dean Cox has achieved this once in his career - Teams quickly work out who is a danger and plan accordingly - T-bell is a ruck - This is his core function - And a non-negotiable.

And he's not very good at it.

 

[Coldacre]

Melksham the last 3 seasons including this has been awful. Any objective Ess supporter would agree with that.

last year Melksham was great. his second half of the year, when the wheels were coming off, was outstanding.

I was his biggest detractor prior to that, but he showed last year that he could play. unfortunately, he's regressed back to 2012 standard this year.

 

[Pweter]

To get back in it was admirable. There's lots to like about us at the moment.
Umps I thought were ok. And complaining isn't going to change anything,

Quiet night by chappy was disappointing given all the build up.
Carlisle looked good and a little more comfortable playing forward.
Colyer is really going after a spot in the 22, which is good to see.

Good to think that if jobe plays, we win that.

I'm the other side of the coin. It's bad to think we are that reliant on 1 player in the middle.

 

[Pweter]

So it was the right choice to give Lake no man? Kidding, right?

It was a ****ing terrible choice to let Lake run free. I had money on Gunston to win the Norm Smith FFS, and he had it in the bag at 3/4 times.

 

[Jade]

Make absolutely no mistake - the difference between these two sides on Friday was the umpires.

It sucks to be on the losing end of umpiring decisions, because even valid complaints seem like sour grapes - but it's simply a statement of fact; the team that won this game only did so because the game was officiated incorrectly.

I can't recall the specific times in the games (could go watch it again if I could be stuffed) but here is a list, just off the top of my head of incorrect decisions:

1) Goddard not paid a mark that was clearly taken inside forward 50. Replays are clear cut.
2) Goddard had BOTH arms of his opponent over his shoulder, and was forcefully dragged out of the contest. Should have been a free for high contact, none given.
3) Carlisle has his arms chopped out from him in a marking contest. Very clear, no free given.
4) Joel Selwood takes possession of the ball and immediately dives to the ground forcing high contact (surprise surprise) should have been play on, paid as a free.
5) Steve Johnson on the wing, attempts to run around three defenders. Third defender catches him and tackles. Ball spills free. Clear as a bell holding the ball, called play on.
6) Blicavs consistently crosses the line and holds out Ryder during ball up. Called ONCE for blocking.

And that's just what I can remember without referencing the game.

When the umpires make errors that impact the result of a game, they should be removed from the game - but no, it isn't scandalous enough to warrant air time......

 

[George Washington]

Make absolutely no mistake - the difference between these two sides on Friday was the umpires.

It sucks to be on the losing end of umpiring decisions, because even valid complaints seem like sour grapes - but it's simply a statement of fact; the team that won this game only did so because the game was officiated incorrectly.

I can't recall the specific times in the games (could go watch it again if I could be stuffed) but here is a list, just off the top of my head of incorrect decisions:

1) Goddard not paid a mark that was clearly taken inside forward 50. Replays are clear cut.
2) Goddard had BOTH arms of his opponent over his shoulder, and was forcefully dragged out of the contest. Should have been a free for high contact, none given.
3) Carlisle has his arms chopped out from him in a marking contest. Very clear, no free given.
4) Joel Selwood takes possession of the ball and immediately dives to the ground forcing high contact (surprise surprise) should have been play on, paid as a free.
5) Steve Johnson on the wing, attempts to run around three defenders. Third defender catches him and tackles. Ball spills free. Clear as a bell holding the ball, called play on.
6) Blicavs consistently crosses the line and holds out Ryder during ball up. Called ONCE for blocking.

And that's just what I can remember without referencing the game.

When the umpires make errors that impact the result of a game, they should be removed from the game - but no, it isn't scandalous enough to warrant air time......

Carlise clearly an arm held about 30m in front of goal at one point too.

Thought Carlisle easily could have had a 6 goal game with straight kicking + fair umpiring.