Nathan Bock

[Mismatched]

Not neccessarily true Mac. You dont have to do anything over the top to get charged with assault. Someone just needs to say he assualted me and your charged, you then have to prove your innocense. Trust me, it happened to a mate of mine who wasn't even in the vicinity of where the incident happened.

True, I'm not going to condemn Bock until I have heard the full story or he has been convicted, I've made early judgements before and have been left feeling like an idiot. As far as I know, Bock doesn't have any history of violence or anything, so I certainly feel that he deserves to still be given the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

I have also lived with some pretty clued up Law students and listening to the way they manipulate and use "the law", as well as many other stories of what little can constitute "abuse", which always makes me cautious around such issues. Bock's clearly done the wrong thing, but at this stage there is no point going over the top with our reactions until we know how bad it really was, especially before we start handing out armchair verdicts or anything.

 

[Deaneus!]

Geez, thank god for this. It took 5 pages of excuses and blaming the rest of the world for any possible problems before someone dared to state the truth.

Personally I'm bitterly disappointed with Bock. He is charged with assault and property damage in a hotel at 2 am. Without knowing the cricumstances, police do not generally lay serious charges like these without substance.

Pathetic and far from being professional.

Spot on macca

Just the fact that the police thought it was worth the time & effort to charge him is serious enough, this crap makes me feel worse that i did on friday night.

Seriously disappointing! I expected better from Bock. This sort of behaviour cannot be tolerated. The fact that he has been charged suggests that the cops thought it was serious enough.

You know, you could probably just go round his house now with some burning torches and pitchforks and a length of rope. I mean, how dare he go out at night? I bet none of you have ever been out at 2am. I suspect it's because you're all in bed early so you'll make church in the morning. You've probably never had an argument with your partners, or broken something while you were out. Thank God for you, keeping our fair state morally upstanding in the face of such sinful behaviour.

Do any of you possess any secret knowledge of what actually happened? No? I'm glad you're all bitterly disappointed, obviously "innocent until proven guilty" is a totally foreign concept to you.

After the Welsh incident the other year I am going to wait. He deserves due process and the presumption of innocence.

Ill wait until the club makes a statement on the matter before I would judge what has and should happen.

Until then mum's the word.

My God, common sense on an internet forum. This must be bizzarro world.

He should have taken his anger out on McBurney. Or Brogan.

We will have to wait and see what the assault charge is actually for. You can be done for assault for pouring a drink on someone...

My partner works in the courts. She's told me you can actually be charged with assault for yelling at someone threateningly. Which means I can be charged for Friday night's game by each of the umpires (as i'm sure all the Crows supporters at the game can)

 

[jenny61_99]

Whilstwe are all disappointed that he got himself in this situation, it remains a fact that he is simply charged with something and has not been proven guilty.

therefore I would expect the club to back him 100%, I can not see why this would not be the appropriate response. After all last time I check in this country we are innocent until proven guilty, regardless of what the media try's to impose.

It was reported on our Channel 10 news that he was held for a few hours and released this morning. (Sleeping it off perhaps?).

 

[Elder van Berlo]

My partner works in the courts. She's told me you can actually be charged with assault for yelling at someone threateningly. Which means I can be charged for Friday night's game by each of the umpires (as i'm sure all the Crows supporters at the game can)

This is absolutely true. For anyone who wants to read what actually constitutes "assault", here's the actual wording of the SA legislation:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s20.html

Pretty much looking at someone sideways technically constitutes assault. It's a minor offence, which is why people are readily charged with it, and also why most assault charges never see the inside of a courtroom.

Apart from the bad press, and the possible psychological effects on Bock and the rest of the playing group, I'm not really worried about this. I'm assuming there wasn't much in it until I hear any official word.

 

[por_please_ya]

Gah I'm really concerned about this... It's really hard not to make assumptions about how serious it is.

Ah, here we go. An updated article on AdelaideNow:

AN argument with his long-time girlfriend during a night on the town led to Adelaide Crows' Nathan Bock facing assault and property damage charges.

An allegedly intoxicated Bock, 26, was arrested just after 2am yesterday and will face a charge of assaulting his girlfriend Carlie Matthews at the General Havelock Hotel in Hutt St.

Earlier Bock had dinner with several Crows team-mates and partners after attending a club function for the parents of Adelaide's interstate recruits about 7pm.

Players were not required to be there but most attended.

Bock, one of the Crows' best players in the team's loss to St Kilda on Friday night, later met friends not associated with the Crows.

Sources said Bock was "play fighting'' with a male friend inside the General Havelock Hotel.

Shortly afterwards, a disturbance erupted and Bock was ejected from the hotel.

He also was charged with damaging a wall inside the pub when he allegedly fell against it during the night.

Nobody was seriously injured and no other person was detained over either incident. A hotel bar manager yesterday said she knew nothing of the alleged incident and there was "no damage here''.

The embarrassed Crows club champion spent about two hours locked in the City Watchhouse cells. He has been bailed to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court later this year.

Bock might face sanctions imposed by the Crows or the AFL, which can intervene if it considers any club-imposed penalty inadequate.

Adelaide Football Club football operations manager John Reid released a statement yesterday saying the club was independently investigating the incident and no further comment would be made until it was completed.

"The club is gathering more information regarding the incident and once we have all the details the club will advise all concerned on what action it will take from a club and AFL perspective,'' the statement said.

"We will endeavour to do that as soon as possible.''

Bock, the only Crows player selected as an All Australian last year when he also won Adelaide's club championship in a breakthrough season, faces a maximum $5000 fine under the AFL players' code of conduct.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25292362-5006301,00.html

Hmm. Any thoughts??

 

[WhySoSerious]

AN argument with his long-time girlfriend during a night on the town led to Adelaide Crows' Nathan Bock facing assault and property damage charges.
An allegedly intoxicated Bock, 26, was arrested just after 2am yesterday and will face a charge of assaulting his girlfriend Carlie Matthews at the General Havelock Hotel in Hutt St.

Earlier Bock had dinner with several Crows team-mates and partners after attending a club function for the parents of Adelaide's interstate recruits about 7pm.

Players were not required to be there but most attended.

Bock, one of the Crows' best players in the team's loss to St Kilda on Friday night, later met friends not associated with the Crows.

Sources said Bock was ``play fighting'' with a male friend inside the General Havelock Hotel.
Shortly afterwards, a disturbance erupted and Bock was ejected from the hotel.

He also was charged with damaging a wall inside the pub when he allegedly fell against it during the night.

Nobody was seriously injured and no other person was detained over either incident. A hotel bar manager yesterday said she knew nothing of the alleged incident and there was ``no damage here''.

The embarrassed Crows club champion spent about two hours locked in the City Watchhouse cells. He has been bailed to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court later this year.

Bock might face sanctions imposed by the Crows or the AFL, which can intervene if it considers any club-imposed penalty inadequate.

Adelaide Football Club football operations manager John Reid released a statement yesterday saying the club was independently investigating the incident and no further comment would be made until it was completed.
``The club is gathering more information regarding the incident and once we have all the details the club will advise all concerned on what action it will take from a club and AFL perspective,'' the statement said.

``We will endeavour to do that as soon as possible.''

Bock, the only Crows player selected as an All Australian last year when he also won Adelaide's club championship in a breakthrough season, faces a maximum $5000 fine under the AFL players' code of conduct.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25292362-5006301,00.html

Taken from the AdelaideNow Website, Apologies by the way if this has been posted. I know it has been the point behind this thread, but from reading through I cant remember if the part about damaging the wall was included and some finer details about the event.

It still doesn't give a real indication of what exactly happened with his girlfriend, hopefully it's nothing too serious for his sake and more importantly hers. A good note to take from that article is that the damage to the wall (where the property damage charges come from I assume) came about from some stupidy rather than him intentionally trying to hurt someone or something. Having said that, it's still not good.

The whole event is incredibly stupid on his behalf, and shouldn't be seeing this type of behavior from one of the senior leaders of the club. Heres hoping the club deals with him as strictly as possible (which I'm sure they will) to ensure that the message is sent that this type of behavior is not tolerated at the Adelaide Football Club. Whether or not the assault charges are found to be as serious as first assumed, the club needs to deal with the matter accordingly. He has put himself and the club in very bad light. Very disappointed.

 

[Symesy15]

I just read that article on adelaidenow and thought "..that's all??" I don't think anything will come out of it. But it doesn't really say what he did to "assault" Carlie, but it said no one was seriously injured, so she's probably okay (physically, at least). I think he'll be fined and that's about it.

 

[WhySoSerious]

Gah I'm really concerned about this... It's really hard not to make assumptions about how serious it is.

Ah, here we go. An updated article on AdelaideNow:



Hmm. Any thoughts??

Haha, Beat me to it
How'd I know that was going to happen though

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Ok so he fell into a wall causing damage that the manager didn't even notice, and still no word about any incident with the girlfriend.

Can you say "police/media beat-up"?

Give him a big fine, sit all the players down and remind them of their responsibilities, and move on.

 

[Symesy15]

Ok so he fell into a wall causing damage that the manager didn't even notice, and still no word about any incident with the girlfriend.

Can you say "police/media beat-up"?

Give him a big fine, sit all the players down and remind them of their responsibilities, and move on.

First sentence: "AN argument with his long-time girlfriend during a night on the town led to Adelaide Crows' Nathan Bock facing assault and property damage charges."
But by the sounds of it, she didn't get injured, it was just a verbal thing, so I agree with you - fine him, tell the players not to get drunk in public, blah blah blah, and Bock will ban himself from drinking during the season. It will all sweet - let's move on!

 

[por_please_ya]

^^ Very good point... sounds like Media sensationalism yet AGAIN.

 

[crowman86]

Damage to a wall... wow. So channel 7 had an american style new reel at the bottom of the coverage of the port game today IN CAPS all because he fell into a wall and had a verbal argument with his g/f.

Move along people, nothing to see here

 

[bus24]

So I said to him, "Look, buddy, your car was upside down when we got here. And as for your Grandma, she shouldn't have mouthed off like that!"

 

[cmndstab]

So wait, exactly what happened to the girlfriend? It doesn't say either way.


I don't like the idea of Bock getting so drunk that he falls into a wall and damages it. That's not the way to treat your body.


I still want to wait until I hear what actually happened before I make my mind up on how I feel either way.

 

[jamesclean]

waiting to hear what actually happened before making up your mind is an even better idea than it sounds

 

[betterthanu]

waiting to hear what actually happened before making up your mind is an even better idea than it sounds

Less fun in the short term though

I dont actually care what happened as long as he wont miss a game.

 

[Crow-mo]

You know, you could probably just go round his house now with some burning torches and pitchforks and a length of rope. I mean, how dare he go out at night? I bet none of you have ever been out at 2am. I suspect it's because you're all in bed early so you'll make church in the morning. You've probably never had an argument with your partners, or broken something while you were out. Thank God for you, keeping our fair state morally upstanding in the face of such sinful behaviour.

Do any of you possess any secret knowledge of what actually happened? No? I'm glad you're all bitterly disappointed, obviously "innocent until proven guilty" is a totally foreign concept to you.

pure garbage. accept no substitutes.

you do not, as a high profile sportsman, put yourself in vulnerable situations. or at least you shouldn't. maybe you can't see that, but if you can't you might want to tone it down a little.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

I don't like the idea of Bock getting so drunk that he falls into a wall and damages it.

My impression was that the wall was damaged in the course of the play fighting. If the walls at that place were damaged every time a drunk person fell into them... Well I'd be in a lot of debt put it that way.

 

[noddy]

I just read that article on adelaidenow and thought "..that's all??" I don't think anything will come out of it. But it doesn't really say what he did to "assault" Carlie, but it said no one was seriously injured, so she's probably okay (physically, at least). I think he'll be fined and that's about it.

If it goes to court & he's found guilty then he will have a criminal conviction against his name for the rest of his life.

Bloody brilliant is it not ?

 

[Jumbo]

Pretty much looking at someone sideways technically constitutes assault. It's a minor offence, which is why people are readily charged with it, and also why most assault charges never see the inside of a courtroom.

Apart from the bad press, and the possible psychological effects on Bock and the rest of the playing group, I'm not really worried about this. I'm assuming there wasn't much in it until I hear any official word.

The gravity of the charge changes rapidly if the assault is against a partner (becomes an indictable offence) which can have very harsh penalties and doesn't look real good on your resume!!
In all reality it was probably the assault would have been a minor alcohol related incident which will be mainly sorted out via a DV officer without the need to go to court and the property damage issue will be penalised via a small fine.

p.s. iteresting how numerous posters on this board keep cleansing their souls by relating this to Port, try to rationalise the incident it without throwing in all cheap distractions.

 

[Cap]

Crows star Nathan Bock on assault charges
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DOUG ROBERTSON
April 05, 2009 09:15pm
AN argument with his long-time girlfriend during a night on the town led to Adelaide Crows' Nathan Bock facing assault and property damage charges.

An allegedly intoxicated Bock, 26, was arrested just after 2am yesterday and will face a charge of assaulting his girlfriend Carlie Matthews at the General Havelock Hotel in Hutt St.

Earlier Bock had dinner with several Crows team-mates and partners after attending a club function for the parents of Adelaide's interstate recruits about 7pm.

Players were not required to be there but most attended.

Bock, one of the Crows' best players in the team's loss to St Kilda on Friday night, later met friends not associated with the Crows.

Sources said Bock was ``play fighting'' with a male friend inside the General Havelock Hotel.

Shortly afterwards, a disturbance erupted and Bock was ejected from the hotel.

He also was charged with damaging a wall inside the pub when he allegedly fell against it during the night.

Nobody was seriously injured and no other person was detained over either incident. A hotel bar manager yesterday said she knew nothing of the alleged incident and there was ``no damage here''.

The embarrassed Crows club champion spent about two hours locked in the City Watchhouse cells. He has been bailed to appear in the Adelaide Magistrates Court later this year.

Bock might face sanctions imposed by the Crows or the AFL, which can intervene if it considers any club-imposed penalty inadequate.

Adelaide Football Club football operations manager John Reid released a statement yesterday saying the club was independently investigating the incident and no further comment would be made until it was completed.

``The club is gathering more information regarding the incident and once we have all the details the club will advise all concerned on what action it will take from a club and AFL perspective,'' the statement said.

``We will endeavour to do that as soon as possible.''

Bock, the only Crows player selected as an All Australian last year when he also won Adelaide's club championship in a breakthrough season, faces a maximum $5000 fine under the AFL players' code of conduct.

 

[WALL-e]

Don't jump to too many conclusions either way.

Sounds like the property damage was the pub trying to get what would usualy not matter, paid for. If he was just play fighting with a mate and dented a wall, no issues there.

The real issue is obviously he and the missus.

Now usually if police attend a domestic dispute they will arrest the male, this is standard as they usually take them to 'cool off' in a cell.

The charge could stem from his missus sayin he grab me by the arm (police have to charge this as assulst but it will get thrown out) or it could be serious.

It's a matter for the law to deal with, now that everyone is sober it should be dealt with rather quickly and dropped if not serious or proceeded with if it is.

The AFC should see if he broke any team rules, if not, they should wait for the legal findings before punishment.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Little things can turn into big things and in hindsight IMO making Goodwin captain was the wrong decision. It sent the wrong message to the playing group. Just shows once you are in in the inner scantum ( or the IT crowd )of the AFC you can't be touched or held accountable - probably applies to all clubs.

As for Bock, throw the book at him. If players do this sort of thing in public, what the hell do they get up to behind closed doors. God, I hope when I have kids I have boys.

 

[kozlowski]

I have to say

the funniest part about this story is that a Pork Power supporter is the first to post it on the main board.

I swear, they all just sit there waiting for a negative story about the crows and just jump when they see it.

Of course if it was a PORT ADELAIDE player you would not have posted it on the main board or at least had some comment to make. I actually dont think it is any of my business what Bock has or has not done so , unlike a lot of other people in this town who cant wait to judge people, I will not comment on the issue.

 

[Cap]

come on springy seriously, if it turns out it was a play fight gone wrong then just a fine for being a ******** is surely enough? As previously stated the GF part if a concern but saying I've seen plenty of couples having slanging matches in a pub only to be fine the next day. But I don't know the circumstances but if it is actual physical violence aganinst anyone (for no self defence reasons) then i'm fine with the book being thrown at him.