Nathan Buckley: some are in for a shock

[The Royal Sampler]

This will be self-evident to many of you, and if you're one of those people I apologise in advance. This thread was not meant for you... however you will also understand the truth in what I'm saying.

Nathan Buckley is not perfect. I know, sacrilege... but it's true, and next time you meet him, you can ask him and I'm sure he will admit as much.

I'm over hearing about how Bucks will be this kind of coach, or that kind of coach. How he will sort out our gameplan in one fell swoop. That the particular player in the side that you don't like won't get a game under Bucks. That players who exhibit a certain quality which irritates you won't be recruited under Bucks' watchful eye.

All of that is BS.

The facts are that Nathan Buckley, as wonderfully talented, driven, and knowledgeable a player as he was/is, is flawed like everyone else.

Nathan Buckley will make errors at the selection table.
Nathan Buckley, like every other coach in the league, will have favourites on the list.
Nathan Buckley will oversee the drafting of players who fail to make the grade.
Nathan Buckley will at times be reactionary in the box on gameday.
Nathan Buckley will inherit a list which includes more flawed humans, and will be unable to trade/delist them all to suit.
Nathan Buckley will take primary responsibility for losses, rather than being lauded when the forwards play well.

I'm looking forward to seeing Bucks' career as Collingwood coach unfold. I think he'll be a terrific coach, and it will be an exciting time for our team and our club as a whole. However if some people don't take off the rose coloured glasses, they're going to be in for a rude shock and I won't want to be around these boards when it happens.

Go Pies.

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[Zahki]

You should try listening to him commentate some of our old games then.

 

[camo2572]

Dont think that he will be our saviour for mind MM has done a fantastic job with the players he has had at his disposal, only now is the fruit tree blossoming and he deserves to go out in a dignified manner, MM has been a fantastic servant to game he is right up there with Sheedy, he has always backed his players and club,just look at his time with both the bulldogs and eagles.
I for one will be sad for him if he leaves our club without winning the ultimate prize he deserves it more than anyone else at the club.
And I hope Bucks who I think will be a great and tough taskmaster, dosent turn out to be another T Shaw

 

[loki04]

You should try listening to him commentate some of our old games then.

^^

Undoubtedly Bucks will make his share of mistakes especially at the start, but I can't wait.

 

[Snag Breac]

Agree with what you've written, TRS, just wondering about the timing of this thread. Is it a reflection on our forward line's performance last night?

 

[Jonno_]

I have no doubt Bucks will not be perfect, and will bear the brunt of knee-jerk reactionary posts and criticisms. But I seriously doubt he will have favourites who don't deserve to be playing.

I think the young kids we are playing, as well as Fraser, Lockyer and O'Bree being dropped this year are the result of Bucks. If you think Malthouse just woke up and decided to drop them, I'd be surprised.

As long as he has favourites, but that deserve to be playing, I don't mind. But I seriously doubt he will persist with people like O'Bree - he is too pragmatic for that.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Agree with what you've written, TRS, just wondering about the timing of this thread. Is it a reflection on our forward line's performance last night?

Nope. Just saw a post saying that Toovey would be dropped under Bucks, because Bucks wouldn't tolerate someone of his ability in the side. It's getting beyond the joke.

 

[bucksisbest]

Agree. The easy line atm is 'I can't wait til Bucks takes over , he won't put up with the same shit MM does'. Which is said with no basis.*


*I think he will be a good coach.

 

[Smoky]

He doesn't make mistakes...

He just learns how to do it better next time.

At least we know he will seldom make the same mistake twice.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Agree. The easy line atm is 'I can't wait til Bucks takes over , he won't put up with the same shit MM does'. Which is said with no basis.*


*I think he will be a good coach.

Thankyou, you've obviously understood the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Greening Magic]

I have no doubt Bucks will not be perfect, and will bear the brunt of knee-jerk reactionary posts and criticisms. But I seriously doubt he will have favourites who don't deserve to be playing.

I think the young kids we are playing, as well as Fraser, Lockyer and O'Bree being dropped this year are the result of Bucks. If you think Malthouse just woke up and decided to drop them, I'd be surprised.

As long as he has favourites, but that deserve to be playing, I don't mind. But I seriously doubt he will persist with people like O'Bree - he is too pragmatic for that.

What kids are you talking about?

MM played Beams and Sidey in their first year. Wellingham has been in and out and matured slowly. Both Brown and Reid have been played over the last 2 years but were unable to hold their spots due to form (understandable due to age and positions). He also played Caff and J-Mac in finals.

The reason Tarks, Obe and Fraser are being pushed out is because the young kids are improving along with the addition of Jolly and Ball (for Fraser).

Who exactly did you want to play ahead of Tarks and Obree over the last 3 years (Danny Stanley/Ryan Cook?). They were the best we had. Think your dislike for MM might colour your thinking. The fact is that our list has developed to a stage where MM now has options.

Just because Bucks is there I wouldn't be assuming he's the main man on selection night.

 

[Dundalis]

i prefer a coach that will make mistakes by taking risks and being aggressive, than one that makes mistakes by staying pat.

I'm certain Bucks will make mistakes, but I expect him to really take action in reshaping the squad to how he wants it over a period of 2-3 years.

 

[Dundalis]

What kids are you talking about?

MM played Beams and Sidey in their first year. Wellingham has been in and out and matured slowly. Both Brown and Reid have been played over the last 2 years but were unable to hold their spots due to form (understandable due to age and positions). He also played Caff and J-Mac in finals.

The reason Tarks, Obe and Fraser are being pushed out is because the young kids are improving along with the addition of Jolly and Ball (for Fraser).

Who exactly did you want to play ahead of Tarks and Obree over the last 3 years (Danny Stanley/Ryan Cook?). They were the best we had. Think your dislike for MM might colour your thinking. The fact is that our list has developed to a stage where MM now has options.

Just because Bucks is there I wouldn't be assuming he's the main man on selection night.

I think with Bucks experience working with youth in coaching that he will take a bigger responsibility in selection in the draft and also trading, and likely free agency.

 

[Visions]

I have no doubt Bucks will make mistakes.

However by the end of his coaching career at Collingwood I see him being a better coach and winning more premierships than Malthouse (I'm referring to the Collingwood part of his career).

 

[Greening Magic]

I think with Bucks experience working with youth in coaching that he will take a bigger responsibility in selection in the draft and also trading, and likely free agency.

I'm not sure a senior coach has the time to take a bigger hand in drafting.
In Side by Side it shows we have a team of scouts and recruiters for that task and the most a senior coach will do is decide what type of player (KPP/Midfielder) he wants but not who.

Bucks also might find the same difficulties as MM has in landing the big fish at the trading table. Granted, MM has been known to put a big price on our players head, but other clubs also seem to want a extract a big price from us. At least it saved us watching Nick Stevens runs around in the B&W and losing Dids.

Don't get me wrong, I think Bucks could be a great coach but he won't be handed a magic wand.

 

[Spoony]

I have no doubt Bucks will make mistakes.

However by the end of his coaching career at Collingwood I see him being a better coach and winning more premierships than Malthouse (I'm referring to the Collingwood part of his career).

I don't think it is possible to predict with any credible accuracy how good a senior coach will be. To say that you see Buckley as being a better coach for Colingwood than MM is a very premature call, whilst Buckley is obviously held in high regard by supporters, the club and the AFL community this does not mean he will make a good AFL coach. There is every chance he will and you could make a strong argument that he will, but it’s not something which can be predicated with all that certainty IMO.

 

[TradeDraft]

This will be self-evident to many of you, and if you're one of those people I apologise in advance. This thread was not meant for you... however you will also understand the truth in what I'm saying.

Nathan Buckley is not perfect. I know, sacrilege... but it's true, and next time you meet him, you can ask him and I'm sure he will admit as much.

I'm over hearing about how Bucks will be this kind of coach, or that kind of coach. How he will sort out our gameplan in one fell swoop. That the particular player in the side that you don't like won't get a game under Bucks. That players who exhibit a certain quality which irritates you won't be recruited under Bucks' watchful eye.

All of that is BS.

The facts are that Nathan Buckley, as wonderfully talented, driven, and knowledgeable a player as he was/is, is flawed like everyone else.

Nathan Buckley will make errors at the selection table.
Nathan Buckley, like every other coach in the league, will have favourites on the list.
Nathan Buckley will oversee the drafting of players who fail to make the grade.
Nathan Buckley will at times be reactionary in the box on gameday.
Nathan Buckley will inherit a list which includes more flawed humans, and will be unable to trade/delist them all to suit.
Nathan Buckley will take primary responsibility for losses, rather than being lauded when the forwards play well.

I'm looking forward to seeing Bucks' career as Collingwood coach unfold. I think he'll be a terrific coach, and it will be an exciting time for our team and our club as a whole. However if some people don't take off the rose coloured glasses, they're going to be in for a rude shock and I won't want to be around these boards when it happens.

Go Pies.

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Very Good Rant Sampler and yes he will make Mistakes but I think he would be better at making changes then MM

 

[Rohan25]

Nope. Just saw a post saying that Toovey would be dropped under Bucks, because Bucks wouldn't tolerate someone of his ability in the side. It's getting beyond the joke.

Haha, I remember people saying similar stuff like that in 2008, along with declaring that Nathan Buckley would be embarassed to see Maxwell wearing his old number 5, (never mind that that was Buckley's choice). I remember thinking at the time that these people would be awfully disappointed if Buckley was appointed coach in mid-2008, and then immediately gave Maxwell and Toovey new contracts.

 

[Art Corvelay]

Agree TRS. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I have this niggling feeling in the back of my mind that Bucks won't be too dissimilar to Malthouse anyway. I'd have still preferred if Buckley did an apprenticeship somewhere else, or we did a proper search for a new coach. Look, I love Bucks and if the Pies board reckon this is the path we should follow I accept that, but I'm cautious we are keeping it very in-house. Not sure if that's good or not yet. Time will tell, and I'm excited for the future, but rather then focusing on Bucks coming in, we should be focusing on Mick hopefully taking this group he's built to a flag!!

 

[Mansons Haircut]

I think the young kids we are playing, as well as Fraser, Lockyer and O'Bree being dropped this year are the result of Bucks. If you think Malthouse just woke up and decided to drop them, I'd be surprised.

As long as he has favourites, but that deserve to be playing, I don't mind. But I seriously doubt he will persist with people like O'Bree - he is too pragmatic for that.

Bucks responsible for playing kids? Just remind me how many players have made their debut this year since Bucks has been back? How many debuted last year when we were Buckless (new word i'm getting out there)?

Also maybe the recruitment of Jolly & Ball had a bit more to do with Fraser & O'Bree being dropped than Buckley being an assistant coach?

Phew what an uncomfortable thread, it feels like i'm insulting Buckley just by saying he is a normal assistant coach (for the moment).

 

[Rohan25]

We're playing kids now that Buckley is here is one of the stranger assertions I've heard lately. Malthouse has never been afraid to debut players. From his very first game at the club in 2000 when 4 players debuted he has always been willing to blood a youngster.

Sometimes it has payed off, and sometimes it hasn't. In 2004 and 2005 we introduced 19 players who were largely ordinary and we sat at the bottom of the ladder for those years. Now, only 5 of those players remain, but 3 of them are leaders. In 2007 we made it to a preliminary final, and quietly debuted 9 players along the way.

Since 2007 we have debuted 18 players, of which 14 remain on our list, and 8 played on Friday, yet this is the first year since Mick joined us that he has not picked a debutant to this point of the season.

 

[ThePheonix]

We're playing kids now that Buckley is here is one of the stranger assertions I've heard lately. Malthouse has never been afraid to debut players. From his very first game at the club in 2000 when 4 players debuted he has always been willing to blood a youngster.

Sometimes it has payed off, and sometimes it hasn't. In 2004 and 2005 we introduced 19 players who were largely ordinary and we sat at the bottom of the ladder for those years. Now, only 5 of those players remain, but 3 of them are leaders. In 2007 we made it to a preliminary final, and quietly debuted 9 players along the way.

Since 2007 we have debuted 18 players, of which 14 remain on our list, and 8 played on Friday, yet this is the first year since Mick joined us that he has not picked a debutant to this point of the season.

A very interesting summary, nicely written

 

[rand corp]

Blasphemy! Blaspheny! How dare you besmirch the good name of our holy savior! Stone him! Stone him! Damn you to eternal hell Royal Sampler!

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Ho noes!

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Buckley wont be coaching Collingwood for 10 years without a flag.

Bookmark it.

Either he will win one within 3-5, or he'll quit.