Certified Legendary Thread Nathan Freeman Updates

[st_trav_ofWA]

As if Richo doesn’t want to play freeman?

His boys club?

Last time I checked they have a coaching team and selection committee. It’s not Richos call solely.

Oh and if it’s richos boys club, then he technically recruited freeman, so why wouldn’t he want to play him to justify trading for him? Hmmmm...

basically every coach has players he trusts more to carry out their roles .. most of the time for good reason .. Ross Lyon put his trust in guys like Mcqalter Jones and Eddy to fill roles for him at the expense of guys like Steven and Armo why because he knew what he was going to get from them ... Richo is no differant he puts his faith in guys like Weller, Newnes, Sav,Armo ....

 

[Stewart66]

Yeah I understand and agree with all of that, but I just have a different perspective. Soooo...
We are short about 5 good<elite senior players, which everyone knows. So to fill that gap, the top 5 guys that aught be depth/developing get sucked up into the senior team to make up numbers, which makes our 2nds bad too, and the guys remaining are less likely to be ripping games apart because they are the dregs of our list. "If" we were in a better position over all then I'd agree that those blokes earn their spot as per normal. But, things are not normal, and different measures apply at the moment because of a situation that's imposed on the 2s from the top. Gifting games isn't desirable, but in the scheme of it all you could say that any game given to Wright, Minch, Gilbo are a gift. So why not Hugh and Freeza, particularly given that there "may" be something to salvage from them if they can show even a little bit before the season ends. I mean FFS we are talking about the difference between finishing 2nd/3rd or 4th last in a shocker of a season. I WANT to see what we've got on the shelf, even it it turn out to be nothing at all.

To go further ...West Coast have had 8 debutantes this year , Geelong over a 2 year period have 14 .

It’s called development.

Hence the anger of the Lonie / Wright / Lonie selection , finally and reluctantly played Battle for 2nd game.

Understand the reluctance of not playing Freeman this week for cosmetic reasons and playing him at home
game against doggies for mainly marketing PR reasons , I get it.
Don’t understand him not playing against Collingwood , when Armitage was played literally cooked ,
couldn’t bend , couldn’t run , couldn’t kick the ball from the start of the bloody game.
Weller spent most of night with hands on hips looking at himself on the big screen .

Please don’t say he wasn’t fit enough ( Freeman ) but of course the inevitable thing happens he gets
clobbered doing his shoulder with Morris (Richmond ) , has taken away one of his weapons , hence
why the club play him on the wing in the VFL since that weekend several weeks ago.

If Carlisle is sore and he played like it , they have to play Goddard , one of the few to have a crack
last weekend. Even Trout made that comment last game .

Nothing to lose.

 

[ScrappyDo]

To go further ...West Coast have had 8 debutantes this year , Geelong over a 2 year period have 14 .

It’s called development.

Hence the anger of the Lonie / Wright / Lonie selection , finally and reluctantly played Battle for 2nd game.

Understand the reluctance of not playing Freeman this week for cosmetic reasons and playing him at home
game against doggies for mainly marketing PR reasons , I get it.
Don’t understand him not playing against Collingwood , when Armitage was played literally cooked ,
couldn’t bend , couldn’t run , couldn’t kick the ball from the start of the bloody game.
Weller spent most of night with hands on hips looking at himself on the big screen .

Please don’t say he wasn’t fit enough ( Freeman ) but of course the inevitable thing happens he gets
clobbered doing his shoulder with Morris (Richmond ) , has taken away one of his weapons , hence
why the club play him on the wing in the VFL since that weekend several weeks ago.

If Carlisle is sore and he played like it , they have to play Goddard , one of the few to have a crack
last weekend. Even Trout made that comment last game .

Nothing to lose.

If they get a go against the dogs or bombers then I'll be happy enough. But so far the vibe from the selection committee does not give me faith that they are in touch with reality. Same as last year l suppose. Its the vibe.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

richo posturing like he's selecting a team for the grand final, so lame. How about you just play the kid we've been emotionally investing in for years before he does another hammy or gets sacked. I don't GAF if he doesn't get more than 10 touches (he will, he will be better than mav), I don't GAF if we have one more loss in our collumn because of it (it won't be because of freezer being selected), like that's gonna matter after the year we've had.. if you care so much about winning richo, maybe you should learn to flipping coach instead of dishing up what you did for the first half of this year.

The thing is all of that is irrelevant because freeza on debut will be better than what Mav, Wright, Lonie, gilbo, geary bring every week. "If richo thinks he's not ready then he's not ready".. and Mav IS ready? f me

 

[Joffaboy]

I tend to agree with the bit about the explosive speed, but isn't someone who can find the footy with relative ease and in abundance, not a valuable prospect anyway? His kicking is fairly sharp from what I've seen as well. Surely worth a try?

Yes would agree. I think the 'explosive speed' issue is conjecture from us, by some of us that have watched him play and extrapolating out what Richo said.

Maybe there are other factors in play but as you said, a clean winner of the ball and from what I've seen can use it.

Would be interesting to see him under AFL pressure that's for sure.

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[Joffaboy]

richo posturing like he's selecting a team for the grand final, so lame. How about you just play the kid we've been emotionally investing in for years before he does another hammy or gets sacked. I don't GAF if he doesn't get more than 10 touches (he will, he will be better than mav), I don't GAF if we have one more loss in our collumn because of it (it won't be because of freezer being selected), like that's gonna matter after the year we've had.. if you care so much about winning richo, maybe you should learn to ruddy coach instead of dishing up what you did for the first half of this year.

The thing is all of that is irrelevant because freeza on debut will be better than what Mav, Wright, Lonie, gilbo, geary bring every week. "If richo thinks he's not ready then he's not ready".. and Mav IS ready? f me

There was no 'posturing'. He was asked a direct question about Freeman playing and he gave a direct answer.

Not liking that answer is the problem of the person not the coach.

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[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

There was no 'posturing'. He was asked a direct question about Freeman playing and he gave a direct answer.

Not liking that answer is the problem of the person not the coach.

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i don't even know what you're talking about. I'm not going off an interview or quote, merely his team selections (pickin spuds that are a tiny bit safer than kids)

 

[CaptainRisky]

VFL football seems so messy, congested and not very good skills. Often guys who are more outside with good skills are better in the seniors where they can show their skills without all the messiness.


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Not sure what this has got to do with Nath as he is more inside than outside these days

 

[luca77]

Yes would agree. I think the 'explosive speed' issue is conjecture from us, by some of us that have watched him play and extrapolating out what Richo said.

Maybe there are other factors in play but as you said, a clean winner of the ball and from what I've seen can use it.

Would be interesting to see him under AFL pressure that's for sure.

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There we have it. Joffaboy is officially on the "Free Freemanman" wagon. We saved 2 seats just for you (Just waiting for fanboi to fall in line)

 

[Dr Spaceman]

There we have it. Joffaboy is officially on the "Free Freemanman" wagon. We saved 2 seats just for you (Just waiting for fanboi to fall in line)

Spots are filling fast

 

[Joffaboy]

There we have it. Joffaboy is officially on the "Free Freemanman" wagon. We saved 2 seats just for you (Just waiting for fanboi to fall in line)

Lol.
I have wanted Freeman to come good for three years, have travelled from Altona to Sandy on numerous times just to watch his progress.

I want to see him play. Stupidly I trust the knowledge of the selection committee.
Hopefully he gets a game soon.

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[VDS66]

There we have it. Joffaboy is officially on the "Free Freemanman" wagon. We saved 2 seats just for you (Just waiting for fanboi to fall in line)

#1 Fanboi says...

 

[toxic]

1st ever restricted free agent without playing a game

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

Lol.
I have wanted Freeman to come good for three years, have travelled from Altona to Sandy on numerous times just to watch his progress.

I want to see him play. Stupidly I trust the knowledge of the selection committee.
Hopefully he gets a game soon.

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in the past i have been that way as well ... the club know all the details on the fitness and the ins and outs of the players situation to make the best call onwho to pick ..... BUT... when we contiunally see Weller getting a game my faith in their thinking is running short...
it took yonks for Rice to get his shot and once he did he fit right in perfectly , he had one bad game and was bannished back to the 2nds only due to a last minute illness did he get back in and he preformed so well he kept his spot , he played a fairly solid game on Friday but honestly i would not be surprised to see him dropped again ...
its things like this that have me fast losing faith in Richo ... i know he isnt going to get the sack but he needs to evolve

 

[luca77]

its things like this that have me fast losing faith in Richo ... i know he isnt going to get the sack but he needs to evolve

 

[VDS66]

View attachment 532638

I can make out Lonie on the left and Paddy on the right, but who's the other 3?

Shame on me!

 

[Scoop]

I tend to agree with the bit about the explosive speed, but isn't someone who can find the footy with relative ease and in abundance, not a valuable prospect anyway? His kicking is fairly sharp from what I've seen as well. Surely worth a try?

And his handball in tight situations is excellent. ..sometimes too sharp for those around him at Sandy!!

 

[ScrappyDo]

I can make out Lonie on the left and Paddy on the right, but who's the other 3?

Shame on me!

I think that's Mav standing next to lonie

 

[BigPowerForward]

I can make out Lonie on the left and Paddy on the right, but who's the other 3?

Shame on me!

I thought it was Spud Frawley on the right. Gee whiz, he has been in a good paddock
EDIT: Very bad dad joke and I should have immediately hit delete

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

I think that's Mav standing next to lonie

Longer was in the photo but he got distracted by the butterflys and was 10m away looking in the wrong direction ...

 

[Drake Huggins]

So does this mean Freemans career is effectively over?

I can't really see him getting another contract extension without playing a game this year. Maybe they'll rookie him, who knows?


I find it baffling that Richo can't gift the guy a game just to give the fans something to cheer about. It's been a rough year, what's the point in waiting till he hits all the right KPI's while you're playing spuds like Lonie, Newnes, Mav, Giblet and Geary constantly?

It's not baffling. Richo is an unimaginative, incompetent minibus (half a coach).doesn'

basically every coach has players he trusts more to carry out their roles .. most of the time for good reason .. Ross Lyon put his trust in guys like Mcqalter Jones and Eddy to fill roles for him at the expense of guys like Steven and Armo why because he knew what he was going to get from them ... Richo is no differant he puts his faith in guys like Weller, Newnes, Sav,Armo ....

Doesn't mean it's right or good for the team, St. Trav. Many have speculated that RL's blind faith in his role players cost us two flags. AR is not fit to tie RL's bootlaces as a coach and tactician. RL's weakness may have cost us a flag or two, but TMBK's incompetence will keep us near the bottom until the end of his extension at least. Then we'll have to factor in a period of grace for the next guy to fix the mess he'll leave behind. Another semi rebuild or some such nonsense, another 3-5 year plan (more bullshit) and no guarantees we'll get it right. Before you know it, we are rattling tins or checking out Tasmania as a new home.

In science, we wait to analyse evidence, based on sample size and other variables. He's had over 100 games and has come up as the worst coach in history over that span. Maybe Bolton will overtake him in time, but that is cold comfort. We need to stop blaming his assistants, who clearly are also not much Chop and go to the heart of the problem.

This is not the old St.Kilda that panicked after two seasons and axed the coach. We've had five years of sub par performance. He took over when we were third last and we're still there after five years. The jury has delivered it's verdict. Guilty as charged, Your Honour. He's a dud, right up there with Watters and Watson, who only lasted two years each. At least timid did the right thing and recognised his shortcomings by falling on his sword. He had a media career to pursue. TMBK has nothing to go to. He has to hang on for dear life. Who's going to pay that muppet over 600k a year to do what, precisely? Cut the cancer and cut it now, before he ruins more careers and our beloved club. Maybe the filth can give him one of their 12 assistant's jobs.

 

[tim_saints]

richo posturing like he's selecting a team for the grand final, so lame. How about you just play the kid we've been emotionally investing in for years before he does another hammy or gets sacked. I don't GAF if he doesn't get more than 10 touches (he will, he will be better than mav), I don't GAF if we have one more loss in our collumn because of it (it won't be because of freezer being selected), like that's gonna matter after the year we've had.. if you care so much about winning richo, maybe you should learn to ruddy coach instead of dishing up what you did for the first half of this year.

The thing is all of that is irrelevant because freeza on debut will be better than what Mav, Wright, Lonie, gilbo, geary bring every week. "If richo thinks he's not ready then he's not ready".. and Mav IS ready? f me

“It’s about giving the fans hope” says Richo

So who are the ins this week?

“lonie and Wright will play, those two boys have been really building all year, they play an exceptional brand of footy and are a massive part of our future at the footy club”

Can see it now.

 

[ScrappyDo]

It's not baffling. Richo is an unimaginative, incompetent minibus (half a coach).doesn'


Doesn't mean it's right or good for the team, St. Trav. Many have speculated that RL's blind faith in his role players cost us two flags. AR is not fit to tie RL's bootlaces as a coach and tactician. RL's weakness may have cost us a flag or two, but TMBK's incompetence will keep us near the bottom until the end of his extension at least. Then we'll have to factor in a period of grace for the next guy to fix the mess he'll leave behind. Another semi rebuild or some such nonsense, another 3-5 year plan (more bullshit) and no guarantees we'll get it right. Before you know it, we are rattling tins or checking out Tasmania as a new home.

In science, we wait to analyse evidence, based on sample size and other variables. He's had over 100 games and has come up as the worst coach in history over that span. Maybe Bolton will overtake him in time, but that is cold comfort. We need to stop blaming his assistants, who clearly are also not much Chop and go to the heart of the problem.

This is not the old St.Kilda that panicked after two seasons and axed the coach. We've had five years of sub par performance. He took over when we were third last and we're still there after five years. The jury has delivered it's verdict. Guilty as charged, Your Honour. He's a dud, right up there with Watters and Watson, who only lasted two years each. At least timid did the right thing and recognised his shortcomings by falling on his sword. He had a media career to pursue. TMBK has nothing to go to. He has to hang on for dear life. Who's going to pay that muppet over 600k a year to do what, precisely? Cut the cancer and cut it now, before he ruins more careers and our beloved club. Maybe the filth can give him one of their 12 assistant's jobs.

Pretty much this.
Not that long ago on this thread those (including myself at stages IMAS) advocated stability for the sake of securing elite Free Agents or trades at trade time. Now they've all resigned with their clubs with the exception of Gaff, who would be pissing his best years down the drain coming to a bottom club. The band-aid was ripped off when RooJo left, and the smell that was emanating from our performances in the previous years was that of an infection. If there is a payout clause, then he needs to be shown the door, and if not, then pay him a years salary to GTFO.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

It's not baffling. Richo is an unimaginative, incompetent minibus (half a coach).doesn'


Doesn't mean it's right or good for the team, St. Trav. Many have speculated that RL's blind faith in his role players cost us two flags. AR is not fit to tie RL's bootlaces as a coach and tactician. RL's weakness may have cost us a flag or two, but TMBK's incompetence will keep us near the bottom until the end of his extension at least. Then we'll have to factor in a period of grace for the next guy to fix the mess he'll leave behind. Another semi rebuild or some such nonsense, another 3-5 year plan (more bullshit) and no guarantees we'll get it right. Before you know it, we are rattling tins or checking out Tasmania as a new home.

In science, we wait to analyse evidence, based on sample size and other variables. He's had over 100 games and has come up as the worst coach in history over that span. Maybe Bolton will overtake him in time, but that is cold comfort. We need to stop blaming his assistants, who clearly are also not much Chop and go to the heart of the problem.

This is not the old St.Kilda that panicked after two seasons and axed the coach. We've had five years of sub par performance. He took over when we were third last and we're still there after five years. The jury has delivered it's verdict. Guilty as charged, Your Honour. He's a dud, right up there with Watters and Watson, who only lasted two years each. At least timid did the right thing and recognised his shortcomings by falling on his sword. He had a media career to pursue. TMBK has nothing to go to. He has to hang on for dear life. Who's going to pay that muppet over 600k a year to do what, precisely? Cut the cancer and cut it now, before he ruins more careers and our beloved club. Maybe the filth can give him one of their 12 assistant's jobs.

i agree with most of what you are saying ... perhaps i wouldnt go so hard at him but you do have valid points ..but its kinda chickenand the egg type stuff Richo is a poor coach cause our list is pretty average - our list is pretty average cause Richo is a poor coach ... i dont think it is simplistic enough that just removing Richo fixes the problem , Richo certainly isnt helping the issue but i think we need to understand exactly where the issue actually lays ... i do have faith that Lathlean doesnt mince words about what needs to be done and he is not afraid to swing the axe so if we do go through the post season with Richo in tact i think the theory is something else is to blame

 

[Drake Huggins]

i agree with most of what you are saying ... perhaps i wouldnt go so hard at him but you do have valid points ..but its kinda chickenand the egg type stuff Richo is a poor coach cause our list is pretty average - our list is pretty average cause Richo is a poor coach ... i dont think it is simplistic enough that just removing Richo fixes the problem , Richo certainly isnt helping the issue but i think we need to understand exactly where the issue actually lays ... i do have faith that Lathlean doesnt mince words about what needs to be done and he is not afraid to swing the axe so if we do go through the post season with Richo in tact i think the theory is something else is to blame

Of course you're right in the main, St. Trav. These things are complex and there are many variables at play. My point is, if it was your business and your money at stake and the bloke you put in charge five years ago has made no progress, I think that not only would you be asking serious questions, but you'd probably issue the DCM and look for someone who could improve things. For all the talk that the AFL environment is a ruthless business, it isn't at all. Nowhere in the high end corporate world would a campaigner like TMBK get seven years at 600k plus for performing the way he has. The EPL is what I call a ruthless system.