Opinion New AFC HQ: Stalled Indefinitely

[Red mist]

There's absolutely no long term future at West Lakes, as we don't own the land and the owners want us gone so that they can continue expanding their housing development. We have to leave at some point between now and the lease ending, the current plan at least appears to be us moving of our own accord on our own time.

Thank you, that’s a good synopsis for the non layman.
We spent around 25 mil upgrading, so that debt is going to be carried on to a facility that we upgrade?

 

[FR0GGY]

Thank you, that’s a good synopsis for the non layman.
We spent around 25 mil upgrading, so that debt is going to be carried on to a facility that we upgrade?

I’m figuring the developers may pay us to leave early?

 

[Red mist]

I’m figuring the developers may pay us to leave early?

Who’s right is it to sell? Not ours at all apparently. no wonder we balked at AO with the investment.
Thats a lot of coin.

 

[MRB37]

Thank you, that’s a good synopsis for the non layman.
We spent around 25 mil upgrading, so that debt is going to be carried on to a facility that we upgrade?

I believe they did a lot of work bringing forward depreciation costs and paying off debt in the last 3-4 years that we're debt free. Probably why they're now looking at making the move, with some nudges coming from the SANFL as well.

 

[Red mist]

I believe they did a lot of work bringing forward depreciation costs and paying off debt in the last 3-4 years that we're debt free. Probably why they're now looking at making the move, with some nudges coming from the SANFL as well.

Ok, so we are in principle.

 

[FR0GGY]

Who’s right is it to sell? Not ours at all apparently. no wonder we balked at AO with the investment.
Thats a lot of coin.

We wouldn’t be selling it, it’s already sold.
They are just paying us to vacate 30 years early.

 

[Red mist]

We wouldn’t be selling it, it’s already sold.
They are just paying us to vacate 30 years early.

Ok they Get multi interest.

 

[mistylake]

What an absolute s&*t show the ACC is.
As much as I’d love the club to have a city base, I wouldn’t care less if this fell through and the ACC remain with their aquatic centre issues.


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They should just raise the rates on all those “Whiney” surrounding properties to $250K per annum. As an ultimatum if they don’t shut the * up.

 

[mistylake]

Adelaide has been on this anti-development trip since Dunstan.

Where has it got us? Since the 70s we've gone from 3rd most important city in Australia to 'regional center'.

SA did single handedly save the planet from global warming though. That’s quite an achievement.

 

[NTRabbit]

SA did single handedly save the planet from global warming though. That’s quite an achievement.

Right now the biggest impediments to development in Adelaide are the Liberal party's ideological determination to destroy public transport at all costs, and the arbitrary height limit placed on the CBD by CASA, which is taking an age to raise despite the support of the airlines themselves. After a few years of pace we're about to have another slow down while everyone waits for federal and state government to un* itself, which is possible in the next state election, but the Fed is heading for 8 years of ad man and his merry band of corrupt fascists as the ALP disappears up its own arsehole chasing the vote of racist boomers and hedge fund managers.

 

[1970crow]

Right now the biggest impediments to development in Adelaide are the Liberal party's ideological determination to destroy public transport at all costs, and the arbitrary height limit placed on the CBD by CASA, which is taking an age to raise despite the support of the airlines themselves. After a few years of pace we're about to have another slow down while everyone waits for federal and state government to unfu** itself, which is possible in the next state election, but the Fed is heading for 8 years of ad man and his merry band of corrupt fascists as the ALP disappears up its own arsehole chasing the vote of racist boomers and hedge fund managers.

How are they destroying public transport?

 

[boffo]

Wow, that was a quick de-railing of this thread!

 

[JackBero]

Thank you, that’s a good synopsis for the non layman.
We spent around 25 mil upgrading, so that debt is going to be carried on to a facility that we upgrade?

Are we in debt?

 

[Elite Crow]

How are they destroying public transport?

By making NT pay for his own bus ticket to the footy

 

[NTRabbit]

How are they destroying public transport?

They're artificially causing patronage of buses to go down by slashing services, so that they can turn around and say nobody is using the buses and slash them even more. They're also selling off the trains and trams to private enterprise to run, which caused a great deal of embarassment when it was shown that every worldwide example of this Knoll pointed to had turned into a costly disaster that had required the governments to buy them back again.

You know, the standard neoliberal attack on public services we've all seen a hundred times over.

They've also put an indefinite hold on continuing the growth of the tram line, despite the obvious success of the long running project uplifting them from 1950s rattlers that just ran to the seaside, and have been publicly floating plans to shut them down and replace them with trackless trams, also known to normal people as buses, except driverless ones that folllow magnetic paint so they can fire all the drivers and bust the union.

The only positive thing they're doing for public transport is all the train grade separations, and really that's an accidental positive for train commuters, because they're actually doing it to speed up car travel.

The tram seemingly going to nowhere out the front of where the old RAH is being torn down was driven entirely by Theo Samaras and Kyren, who made it a condition of his investment into building Adelaidean. The tram line was last planned to go there anyway, they just weren't going to build it yet. All those new tall buildings are being planned and built on the promise of the city loop tram service creating modern PT connections where few to none exist, and when that promise stops, they pause.

 

[ad victoriam]

By making NT pay for his own bus ticket to the footy

On a Side Note, All talk is pointing to a free Footy Express still happening Although there was talk that if a sponsor could not be found them the Clubs would raise their prices, as there was no Price rise I believe a new sponsor has been Found or the Clubs are absorbing the cost.
Note the Clubs and SMA are already funding $2 per ticket to the Footy Express close to 1.8mill per year, With the Government Chipping in around 1mill a year which they have stopped, So a $1 to $2 raise covering the shortfall was expected.

 

[Elite Crow]

So the anti everything parklands mon commissioned a poll, Crows only received 25% to develop Aquatic centre.

The only interesting part is we are presenting on Tuesday night

 

[Cap]

So the anti everything parklands mon commissioned a poll, Crows only received 25% to develop Aquatic centre.

The only interesting part is we are presenting on Tuesday night

Yeah but 57% voted for something that isn't an option. ( refer below)

It's a crap poll made by people with a axe to grind

 

[Cap]

Poll finds 26 per cent support for Crows takeover of Adelaide Aquatic Centre

Tim Williams, The Advertiser

December 8, 2019 10:04pm


Three in four people want the Adelaide Aquatic Centre to stay in public hands instead of being turned over to the Adelaide Crows to transform into their new headquarters, a poll has found.

The Adelaide Park Lands Preservation Association commissioned market researcher ReachTEL to run a poll of 763 people across the federal electorate of Adelaide.
The results come ahead of an Adelaide City Council meeting on Tuesday night where the Crows will present plans for a $65 million training and admin complex, which would maintain public pool access.


The Crows will this week present their plans for a training complex at the Adelaide Aquatic Centre. Picture: Matt Loxton
Of the poll options:
31 PER CENT said the council should upgrade the centre “at relatively high cost”;

17 PER CENT wanted “a smaller fit-for-purpose” public centre “at a lower cost”;
26 PER CENT wanted the council to partner with a suburban council for a new centre;
26 PER CENT said the council should offer the Crows a long-term lease to build their headquarters with a “privately-managed aquatic centre”.
Association president Shane Sody said the council’s majority faction was “totally out of step with its residents and ratepayers” by considering the Crows option, while the football club risked “alienating the majority of Adelaide residents”.

He said the Crows should consider Thebarton Oval instead.
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Asked if parts of the parklands should be “turned over to commercial redevelopments, 62 per cent of those polled said no; 30 per cent said yes. The council spent $18 million on the ageing centre over the past decade. A council report last week said investing up to $15 million more would do little to improve services or reduce its burden on ratepayers.
Deputy Lord Mayor Alex Hyde said everybody accepted the need for an aquatic centre, but the council could not pay for a full rebuild without going “substantially further” into debt.
Cr Hyde said he was happy to explore partnering with other councils or the State Government, and would “walk away” from the Crows option if its community benefit wasn’t great enough.
The Crows last week said its proposal would provide “benefits for all relevant stakeholders, including the local community”.

 

[Dc9798]

You could argue that the “31 PER CENT said the council should upgrade the centre ‘at relatively high cost’” potion of the poll is essentially voting for the Crows to take it over, making 57% (31% + 26%) of the poll in favour of the Crows


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[Relaxed]

They should also have had a precursor question/poll.
Have you used the Adelaide Aquatic Centre facilities in the last 3 months / 12 months / 36 months / never?
Out of the 763 people polled, it would be interesting to see how relevant the facilities are to them, as I suspect the vast majority do not use them.

The Crows could run some community events there, similar to their launch that they have at the Wayville Showgrounds, or open trainings, or some teach kids to kick a footy type sessions on the smaller oval and immediately bring more relevance to that side of North Adelaide. Just walking down O'Connell street you can see how many of the small retail spaces are empty/unleased at the moment, they need to find some way to bring more people through on a consistent basis.

 

[Mego Red]

Not at this early stage.
Unfortunately we're a safe state so they wont go and make a risky move like that even if the benefits are clear.

Too political also. Its a lose-lose for whoever tries to attempt.

I'd love to know more about that report.

 

[Large 1]

Right now the biggest impediments to development in Adelaide are the Liberal party's ideological determination to destroy public transport at all costs, and the arbitrary height limit placed on the CBD by CASA, which is taking an age to raise despite the support of the airlines themselves. After a few years of pace we're about to have another slow down while everyone waits for federal and state government to unfu** itself, which is possible in the next state election, but the Fed is heading for 8 years of ad man and his merry band of corrupt fascists as the ALP disappears up its own arsehole chasing the vote of racist boomers and hedge fund managers.

The perfect summation of the country ATM!

 

[GameofSloanes]

So the anti everything parklands mon commissioned a poll, Crows only received 25% to develop Aquatic centre.

The only interesting part is we are presenting on Tuesday night

The only people that respond to that are people are passionately for or against something. No one really is passionately for it except maybe a few of us on BF. Plus you'd question who the APLA are polling, as it is in their interest to poll people who are likely to oppose.

I'd bet if the Crows ran a poll along similar lines 74% would be for it.

 

[Jerome]

I received a call from Reach Tel last week and participated in the poll.

The survey was deadset stacked against the AFC.

First question pretty much mirrored the propaganda they have online about a multi storey tower being built on the parklands.

There were two questions with multiple options. I voted in favour of the AFC for each question.