Opinion New AFC HQ: We're on like Donkey Kong!

[Punchy Bassett]

NIMBYS, NIMBYS everywhere.

 

[NTRabbit]

They are correct that it will be a reduction in public green space, just a question of whether they are able to convince someone it matters enough to pause the development for further design and consultation

 

[George CantStandYa]

They are correct that it will be a reduction in public green space, just a question of whether they are able to convince someone it matters enough to pause the development for further design and consultation

What was a worry is that their Mayor yesterday said we wont know until before the middle of the year

 

[StonesThrow]

Doubt this will amount to anything.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

What was a worry is that their Mayor yesterday said we wont know until before the middle of the year

Middle of next year?

Ffs

 

[beagle2]

I am an old West Torrens supporter and went to Thebarton Oval and can still remember games when I was about 8 (1969) - it held some good and woeful memories.

Does anyone remember what Kings Reserve was before in the 1960’s/1970’s as to what it has became today? A ******* car park.

Tell these knobs to * off.

It was a brickworks
The smoke used to blackout that end of the oval especially when WT were losing The eastern end close to the community centre was a disused pug hole used as a rubbish dump I got the axles and wheels off an old pram to make a go cart when I was a kid

 

[chazwazza]

Some pretty moronic comments and views on here about residents, they’ve every right to be concerned about changes to this area and to be informed and consulted about the proposal.
When I lived in Thebarton I’d walk my dog down to Kings Reserve most nights where there was always a good gathering of people, dog owners and kids, it’s also regularly used for community events and soccer games.

Without seeing the total plan I’m not against the proposal and I think it’s a good fit for the AFC, use of an area that’s historically been a football precinct and hopefully a good outcome for residents and the community but this takes communication and consultation not stupid accusations and petty jibes, I’ve seen just as many on a local FB page coming from the opposite viewpoint about this development as I’ve seen on here.
People need to calm down, deal with facts and stop acting like entitled brats.

 

[1970crow]

We both know the answer to that question

It's the same reason why we're paying 12 million for a license that we had already paid 4 million dollars for back in the 90s.

It's why I had no interest in Thebarton because the SANFL are parasites and always want their pound of flesh.

The SANFL owned the license, it was sub-licensed to AFC Ltd. The $12m is us buying the head license from the SANFL. There’s nothing strange about that at all. It’s what any normal thinking person would do in the same situation.

 

[1970crow]

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Would have expected more masks.

 

[1970crow]

Interesting developments for Thebarton.

Apparently 300 people attended last night and the club wasn't invited to speak.

Sticking points appear to be Kings Reserve and the public use of the ovals.

What an absolute s**t show this is turning out to be, hopefully there will be zero compromises especially as the club sold Thebarton to the supporters on the basis of it giving the club 2 ovals.

It's going to be a joke if we now back flip and scale back our proposal.

Just relax, it’s a major development, let the process play out. Community ‘consultation’ is an ordinary part of it.

 

[Dc9798]

Just drove past Kings Reserve. Not a soul to be seen..... and it's school holidays.

Kings Reserve in its present form is an eyesore and you’re right, it’s hardly used.
Understand some reservations by the residents but you’d be mad to turn down activating the area via a major redevelopment which includes access to the currently non-accessible Thebarton Oval when the Crows aren’t training on it.


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[StonesThrow]

Yeah I sure local consultation is necessary. Just so long as the appropriate weight is given.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Got to give Labor credit, as part of south road redevelopment, they are going to create direct access to the oval from south road which will alleviate residents traffic concerns

 

[Dirty Bird]

Got to give Labor credit, as part of south road redevelopment, they are going to create direct access to the oval from south road which will alleviate residents traffic concerns

What, open the gate in the North-East pocket so people that use the Eastern carpark don't have to walk the whole way round the ground to enter?

 

[relapse]

The SANFL owned the license, it was sub-licensed to AFC Ltd. The $12m is us buying the head license from the SANFL. There’s nothing strange about that at all. It’s what any normal thinking person would do in the same situation.

I'm more than aware of the history and I've explained my opinion on it numerous times before.

Just because the SANFL were in a position to hold the licenses to ransom, it doesn’t change the fact that it was somewhat of an unscrupulous act by the SANFL to do it.

My issue stems from the fact that it was the AFC and PAFC who actually paid the 4 million dollars for the licenses in the first place.

Let me put it into an analogy

You take out two loans to finance the purchase of two houses of the same value for your kids, both loans are being completely paid by them.

One of the kids is doing better financially and has invested some of that money into upgrading and improving the value of their house while the other hasn't invested anywhere near as much and their house isn't as valuable as the other.

Once the loans have been paid off, both kids then come to you and ask for the properties to then be transferred to them. You then turn around and say well technically I still own both of these houses so if you want them you're going to have to now buy them from me. Then in a further unscrupulous act you punish the kid who has invested and improved the value of their house by asking them to pay 65% more for their house than the other kid has to pay.

You can say "that's business", but to me it was a blatant cash grab and another example of how the SANFL has financially exploited both clubs for their own gain.

 

[LC40]

I'm aware of the history and I've explained my opinion on it numerous times before.

Just because the SANFL were in a position to hold the licenses to ransom, it doesn’t change the fact that it was somewhat of an unscrupulous act by the SANFL to do it.

My issue stems from the fact that it was the AFC and PAFC who actually paid the 4 million dollars for the licenses in the first place.

Let me put it into an analogy

You take out two loans to finance the purchase of two houses of the same value for your kids, both loans are completely being paid by them.

One of the kids is doing better financially and has invested some of that money into upgrading and improving the value of their house while the other hasn't invested anywhere near as much and their house isn't as valuable as the other.

Once the loans have been paid off, both kids then come to you and ask for the properties to then be transferred to them. You then turn around and say well technically I still own both of these houses so if you want them you're going to have to now buy them from me. Then in a further unscrupulous act you punish the kid who has invested and improved the value of their house by asking them to pay 60% more for their house than the other kid has to pay.

You can say "that's business", but to me it was a blantant cash grab and another example of how the SANFL has financially exploited both clubs for their own gain.

I'm confused are you talking about the Thebarton oval lease or the AFL licenses or bundling them together?

 

[relapse]

I'm confused are you talking about the Thebarton oval lease or the AFL licenses or bundling them together?

I was responding to 1970Crow's post about buying back our AFL license from the SANFL, but it does fits into a bigger picture of the SANFL always having their hands out for money.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Got to give Labor credit, as part of south road redevelopment, they are going to create direct access to the oval from south road which will alleviate residents traffic concerns

Not based on what I've seen

 

[George CantStandYa]

Not based on what I've seen

Are you saying Turbo Tom is a liar?

 

[GameofSloanes]

Are you saying Turbo Tom is a liar?

Well I've seen the plans, so I guess I am. He only said they would 'try' to change the entrance to be fair.
Not sure have a driveway on South Rd is feasible when you can have the entrance off Ashwin Pde. May need to widen Ashwin possibly. Personally think that the traffic will not really noticeable except when AFLW games are on.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Well I've seen the plans, so I guess I am. He only said they would 'try' to change the entrance to be fair.
Not sure have a driveway on South Rd is feasible when you can have the entrance off Ashwin Pde. May need to widen Ashwin possibly. Personally think that the traffic will not really noticeable except when AFLW games are on.

Oh a bit like they’ll “try” and get us Brompton.

relapse your mates have some explaining to do

 

[relapse]

Well I've seen the plans, so I guess I am. He only said they would 'try' to change the entrance to be fair.
Not sure have a driveway on South Rd is feasible when you can have the entrance off Ashwin Pde. May need to widen Ashwin possibly. Personally think that the traffic will not really noticeable except when AFLW games are on.

From what I've read it seems like the Crows were formally told a few days ago that they had a commitment from the government to do it.

Direct entry and exit access from an upgraded South Rd will be built to the Adelaide Crows’ proposed new Thebarton Oval headquarters in bid to ease traffic and parking concerns.
Crows chairman John Olsen has welcomed the state government commitment, understood to have been spearheaded by Infrastructure and Transport Minister Tom Koutsantonis, whose West Torrens electorate includes Thebarton Oval.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/south-rd-traffic-exit-and-entry-plan-for-crows-thebarton-oval-headquarters/news-story/90eea13531994d6b6872b214f30e6285

 

[Rags_118]

I hope that we are going to demand that are men’s home SANFL games are played at Thebby. It would be farcical to pay a big annual fee to participate in the SANFL and always have to play away to the traditional SANFL clubs - particularly when The Power get to play their games at home.

If would be beneficial for our young players to play on an Adelaide Oval sized ground instead tiny ovals like Norwood/Unley/Woodville and oversized paddocks like Elizabeth and maybe Noarlunga.

 

[feenix67]

I'm more than aware of the history and I've explained my opinion on it numerous times before.

Just because the SANFL were in a position to hold the licenses to ransom, it doesn’t change the fact that it was somewhat of an unscrupulous act by the SANFL to do it.

My issue stems from the fact that it was the AFC and PAFC who actually paid the 4 million dollars for the licenses in the first place.

Let me put it into an analogy

You take out two loans to finance the purchase of two houses of the same value for your kids, both loans are being completely paid by them.

One of the kids is doing better financially and has invested some of that money into upgrading and improving the value of their house while the other hasn't invested anywhere near as much and their house isn't as valuable as the other.

Once the loans have been paid off, both kids then come to you and ask for the properties to then be transferred to them. You then turn around and say well technically I still own both of these houses so if you want them you're going to have to now buy them from me. Then in a further unscrupulous act you punish the kid who has invested and improved the value of their house by asking them to pay 65% more for their house than the other kid has to pay.

You can say "that's business", but to me it was a blatant cash grab and another example of how the SANFL has financially exploited both clubs for their own gain.

I get where you're coming from, but you have to remember that the context around our entry into the AFL was for the SANFL to protect the local competition. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but at the time the expanded VFL was a direct threat to a competition that was over 100 years old. The SANFL (and its clubs) had every right to mitigate financial loss and to ensure its ongoing financial stability.

The SANFL had to stump up the cash for the license and the establishment and operation of the Crows. The only returns they were ever going to get was from the license and the venue, considering the VFL/AFL own the rights to everything else. It was an investment, not a donation. When they subsequently released the license to us, do you think they weren't going to seek market value?

 

[Dirty Bird]

Well I've seen the plans, so I guess I am. He only said they would 'try' to change the entrance to be fair.
Not sure have a driveway on South Rd is feasible when you can have the entrance off Ashwin Pde. May need to widen Ashwin possibly. Personally think that the traffic will not really noticeable except when AFLW games are on.

If the entrance is off Ashwin Parade then WTF is the issue?
They'd just enter off the roundabout surely?

And that's commercial there.