Next Generation

[Jack Mundy]

No.

Miles off it.

He's disqualified because he's scoring runs. Players generating most buzz haven't done that yet.

 

[big_e]

When you're the leading shield run scorer and still only 27, you aren't 'miles' off it. Not in this day and age.

Will need another strong season and needs to start converting his 50's into 100's, but wouldn't surprise me at all if he's in the conversation for a cap in the next few years.

Three first-class hundreds in your career doesn't scream "pick me". Hell, Jake Lehmann scored four last season alone.

He'll have a Mark Lavender/Greg Mail-type career in shield cricket - decent enough at that level but will never truly be considered for national honours because he's nowhere near test quality.

We just sat though Jake Weatherald struggling an average test attack, we've seen guys like Marcus Harris and Cameron Bancroft dominate the shield and not make it at the highest level - making shield runs doesn't always translate. And Tim Ward hasn't even made as many runs as those guys.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Three first-class hundreds in your career doesn't scream "pick me". Hell, Jake Lehmann scored four last season alone.

He'll have a Mark Lavender/Greg Mail-type career in shield cricket - decent enough at that level but will never truly be considered for national honours because he's nowhere near test quality.

We just sat though Jake Weatherald struggling an average test attack, we've seen guys like Marcus Harris and Cameron Bancroft dominate the shield and not make it at the highest level - making shield runs doesn't always translate. And Tim Ward hasn't even made as many runs as those guys.

Not everyone who does well in shield does well in tests. Everybody who has done well in tests has done well in shield.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Three first-class hundreds in your career doesn't scream "pick me". Hell, Jake Lehmann scored four last season alone.

He'll have a Mark Lavender/Greg Mail-type career in shield cricket - decent enough at that level but will never truly be considered for national honours because he's nowhere near test quality.

We just sat though Jake Weatherald struggling an average test attack, we've seen guys like Marcus Harris and Cameron Bancroft dominate the shield and not make it at the highest level - making shield runs doesn't always translate. And Tim Ward hasn't even made as many runs as those guys.

Not necessarily disagreeing, but I did say 'in the conversation'. Lehmann was in the test squad once years ago wasn't he? Around the time Nic Maddinson was selected, unless I'm having a Mandela effect moment.

 

[western royboy]

Not necessarily disagreeing, but I did say 'in the conversation'. Lehmann was in the test squad once years ago wasn't he? Around the time Nic Maddinson was selected, unless I'm having a Mandela effect moment.

Not aware of Jake Lehmann being anywhere near a Test team.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Not aware of Jake Lehmann being anywhere near a Test team.

Okay, I found what I was remembering now. Indeed, he wasn't in the squad.

Lehmann puts his hand up as Ashes alternative to Maxwell

Redbacks captain Travis Head says Jake Lehmann's record shows he is good enough for an Ashes call-up. Has Glenn Maxwell done enough to keep hold of the coveted number six spot?

www.abc.net.au

 

[Around the Wicket]

Okay, I found what I was remembering now. Indeed, he wasn't in the squad.

Lehmann puts his hand up as Ashes alternative to Maxwell

Redbacks captain Travis Head says Jake Lehmann's record shows he is good enough for an Ashes call-up. Has Glenn Maxwell done enough to keep hold of the coveted number six spot?

www.abc.net.au

He averaged 50 at some point before losing his game in the Big Bash.

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

He averaged 50 at some point before losing his game in the Big Bash.

He's a Pom now anyways.

 

[Black Diamond]

Batted outside the top 4 all his career for a state which has mostly battled.

He was never a serious chance of test selection.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Batted outside the top 4 all his career for a state which has mostly battled.

He was never a serious chance of test selection.

when he averaged 50 and the Test side sucked I'd say he was a chance... only issue was the father was Test coach

 

[BGman]

Jake Weatherald struggling an average test attack, we've seen guys like Marcus Harris

That pair have a looser technique than Ward. If he can carry on in second shield round, then he is well and truly in Test conversation as that will be two super seasons on the trot. Up to date he has scored 1100 runs from 13 matches and despite his lack of conversion CA has picked him in A games because he is reliable.

He was never a serious chance of test selection.

Agree. Up till last 12 months Jake Lehmann has been bloody awful. Should be no where near a Test side.

Is the U19 WC covered here or is this also behind a Prime paywall?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[Jack Mundy]

Melbourne media

Here are stats;
FC 10 18 2 426 92 26.62
List A 6 6 2 147 55* 36.75
T20s 7 7 1 184 57 30.66

 

[eth-dog]

Melbourne media

Here are stats;
FC 10 18 2 426 92 26.62
List A 6 6 2 147 55* 36.75
T20s 7 7 1 184 57 30.66

Yes, we know you love to blindly quote stats with zero context. Remember that he's 19 years old, has a good technique and shown the ability to bat his team to victory on multiple occasions despite his tender age. Is he the finished product? No. Is he a very good prospect? Yes.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Melbourne media

Here are stats;
FC 10 18 2 426 92 26.62
List A 6 6 2 147 55* 36.75
T20s 7 7 1 184 57 30.66

Your reference to this during the test series fell flat. Why would it be different now?
This is the 'next generation' thread btw. Not the finished product test star thread.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Yes, we know you love to blindly quote stats with zero context. Remember that he's 19 years old, has a good technique and shown the ability to bat his team to victory on multiple occasions despite his tender age. Is he the finished product? No. Is he a very good prospect? Yes.

Your reference to this during the test series fell flat. Why would it be different now?
This is the 'next generation' thread btw. Not the finished product test star thread.

Yes, my call for reason in the face of somebody being called a star, despite only a handful of games and unimpressive returns. People picking him in centenary test is bizarre, but the way Melbourne media is campaigning..?!

 

[eth-dog]

Yes, my call for reason in the face of somebody being called a star, despite only a handful of games and unimpressive returns. People picking him in centenary test is bizarre, but the way Melbourne media is campaigning..?!

Only unimpressive to those who don't watch him play.

 

[Jack Mundy]

Only unimpressive to those who don't watch him play.

It's not figure skating. Don't get points for style. Only one way to press case.

Like I said I seems like certain identities trying to bypass that on behalf of their favourites. Will end in tears.

 

[western royboy]

It's not figure skating. Don't get points for style. Only one way to press case.

Like I said I seems like certain identities trying to bypass that on behalf of their favourites. Will end in tears.

I’ll back Peake in over Connolly and Konstas anytime.

 

[eth-dog]

It's not figure skating. Don't get points for style. Only one way to press case.

Like I said I seems like certain identities trying to bypass that on behalf of their favourites. Will end in tears.

You get points for making runs when it matters. As he has, on multiple occassions. Yes, he's had an up and down season, but you're posting stats with zero context without delving into them. He scored a 70* coming in at 3/84, whilst the bowler was on a hattrick, against the reigning premiers, chasing 231 on what was a difficult pitch to bat on. At 19 years old, he won the game.

Nobody is saying he has to be in the next test. He's not the finished product, but he's a 19 year old who has delivered multiple match winning performances at professional level and people are getting excited by that. That's it.

 

[Jack Mundy]

You get points for making runs when it matters. As he has, on multiple occassions. Yes, he's had an up and down season, but you're posting stats with zero context without delving into them. He scored a 70* coming in at 3/84, whilst the bowler was on a hattrick, against the reigning premiers, chasing 231 on what was a difficult pitch to bat on. At 19 years old, he won the game.

Nobody is saying he has to be in the next test. He's not the finished product, but he's a 19 year old who has delivered multiple match winning performances at professional level and people are getting excited by that. That's it.

He's Victorian and can hold a bat. Can't have had many match winning performances because he's only played a handful of games across all formats. I'm sure you could find occasions like for players who've actually put together decent records and likely more, but people are building case for their favourites and don't have much to work with.

 

[eth-dog]

He's Victorian and can hold a bat. Can't have had many match winning performances because he's only played a handful of games across all formats. I'm sure you could find occasions like for players who've actually put together decent records and likely more, but people are building case for their favourites and don't have much to work with.

You're a moron. The only one acting as if his state matters is you. If he were from WA, NSW, Tassie, Queensland or SA I'd still be talking about him.

The fact that he's had a handful of matches across of all formats and has match winning performances at the level actually favours my point.

Art Vandelay_ I think we've found our new Brades.

 

[Jack Mundy]

You're a moron. The only one acting as if his state matters is you. If he were from WA, NSW, Tassie, Queensland or SA I'd still be talking about him.

The fact that he's had a handful of matches across of all formats and has match winning performances at the level actually favours my point.

Art Vandelay_ I think we've found our new Brades.

Name calling. There's numerous players with the same or better records. Have you watched all their careers to identify special moments?! Victorian based figures like Hughes, Ponting, Rogers..all pumping these guys. Pretty much unprecedented to be pushing guys with such poor resumes. Strange times.

 

[eth-dog]

Name calling. There's numerous players with the same or better records. Have you watched all their careers to identify special moments?! Victorian based figures like Hughes, Ponting, Rogers..all pumping these guys. Pretty much unprecedented to be pushing guys with such poor resumes. Strange times.

I haven't seen every player play every game. I haven't seen every innings of Peake.

Outside of Konstas' very hot start to last season (in which it was practically demanded that he get picked as an opener for the first test) how many players were able to produce match winning performances for their pro sides at 19? You're banging on about him not being a consistent player at 19, when he's a decade away from his peak.

Also a shock that Chris Rogers, the Victorian coach, answers a question in a positive manner about a Victorian batsman who has shown a lot of promise. Nah, should just shitcan him.

Also, calling you a moron is just a statement of fact. You're bagging anyone who dares suggest Peake could be a future test prospect because he hasn't dominated FC cricket at 19. At the same age Steve Smith had 4 FC games, 135 runs at an average of 19.3. Now before you complain, I'm simply providing context. I'm not saying that Peake will be as good as Smith. I'm saying he's a talented young bat whose shown he can stand up in moments that matter.

 

[Jack Mundy]

I haven't seen every player play every game. I haven't seen every innings of Peake.

Outside of Konstas' very hot start to last season (in which it was practically demanded that he get picked as an opener for the first test) how many players were able to produce match winning performances for their pro sides at 19? You're banging on about him not being a consistent player at 19, when he's a decade away from his peak.

Also a shock that Chris Rogers, the Victorian coach, answers a question in a positive manner about a Victorian batsman who has shown a lot of promise. Nah, should just shitcan him.

Also, calling you a moron is just a statement of fact. You're bagging anyone who dares suggest Peake could be a future test prospect because he hasn't dominated FC cricket at 19. At the same age Steve Smith had 4 FC games, 135 runs at an average of 19.3. Now before you complain, I'm simply providing context. I'm not saying that Peake will be as good as Smith. I'm saying he's a talented young bat whose shown he can stand up in moments that matter.

Don't be abusive. We have a difference of opinion. This is what I argue based on my experiences. I may be mistaken but equally so might you.

Aston Agar was 19 when he hit 98 on test debut. He never became the next Gilchrist. Players can produce singular remarkable performances and then fade. Happens all the time. Stonis perhaps?! Fraser-McGurk?! That's why we look at overall record. The innings you describe doesn't sound as remarkable as what agar produced. A fifty in a chase or on a tough wicket is not unique. The quality of that innings seems based on your interpretation. Must have been a hell of an innings or maybe it's being overstated on the absence of other data?!

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