Nick Maxwell

[Ilch]

^^ Thats a fair point aswell, we do need differences for these forums to work. But theres the difference between the constructive criticism and those who just blatantly and blindly attack.
Its not only on these forums, but it also shits me that when 1 player and it could be anyone, that as soon as they stuff up during the game, you have our own supporters calling for their heads, whether it be being dragged or even to the point of saying they should be delisted.
I know emotions can run high in a game, but ive seen rhyce cop it week in week out before, i saw medhurst cop it at the start of last season, and then you have presti where supporters one week will love him the next its "drop him" when times were tough back in '05.

Again i say we are all entitled to these oppinions but its the way people also go about commenting that makes it embarrasing at times.

 

[Optimax]

i was talking about the small annoying minority that find fault in even good games.

I still ask for players to be dropped i called for egan, an cox head this year and Lonie the year before. I also doubted cox popularrity up until his promotion constantly stating the kid doesnt defend until he does he will stay in the VFL, he played seniors and what happened? he didnt defend and got dropped.


I can take discussion and enjoy it, and will discuss the collingwood team all night if i want too. What annoys me is the constant bagging week in and week by supprters dircted at one player. Most fo these people dont want to discuss the matter they just crave the reaction the
Out Hackswell
in whoever
post gets them that is all

I will stand by my claim, and i will also point out i wasnt referring to you

 

[Rohan25]

That ain't fair mate. While there may be some like Big Bucks who like to criticize endlessly and for no good outcome, most of us here are pretty fair with our opinions and it is perfectly reasonable to disagree on some players.

Sometimes you guys are just as annoying. I mean, there's the group who act like trolls and bag everyone and everything, and there's a group who blindly follow - which is not wrong, but whats annoying is that they raise their noses to anyone else who has a different opinion.

It's why this footy forum works mate...how boring would it be otherwise.

I have no problem with the way you, and many others express their views on Maxwell, but certain people go out of their way to insult him and ridicule him. It's impossible for every player on the list to be in our preferred 22, but that doesn't mean that we have to belittle a player, as Maxwell has been in this thread, as he is on this board every single day. We can at least give the man his dignity.

Maybe I do just blindly believe that we're on the right track. Why? Because I have to I guess. I'd support Satan himself if he were wearing Black and White stripes.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

I have no problem with the way you, and many others express their views on Maxwell, but certain people go out of their way to insult, him and ridicule him. It's impossible for every player on the list to be in our preferred 22, but that doesn't mean that we have to belittle a player, as Maxwell has been in this thread, as he is on this board every single day. We can at least give the man his dignity.

Maybe I do just blindly believe that we're on the right track. Why? Because I have to I guess. I'd support Satan himself if he were wearing Black and White stripes.

I don't know about the Satan call

But I'm with you mate. It was only a few weeks ago I was leading the good fight against all the Toovey haters out there

 

[Pie eyed]

Maxwell = crap , i can`t cover my man.
Mick hide me, where do i go to now, i cannot play play football .
send me on to the runner, i might be able to block him

This would possibly be a valid "piece" but for the fact that Maxwell does go out there every week in front of 10's of thousands of paying supporters and 100's of thousand of TV viewers. He does not hide and he backs himself against some of the best forwards in the land...true it does not always come off...but he does not hide.

You however, who have never done anything of any note in your life, hide behind not only a computer but also an alias, tucked away safely from any need to either risk anything or expose yourself to those you would bring down...
You are a gutless, biased, self opinionated tool who would not have the stomach to so much as pull on a sets of boots in the company of the very people you criticise ad nauseum.

As I have said many times before, you are an embarrassment to everything Collingwood and poster boy for the toothless, feral image our opposition love to paint of Collingwood supporters.
Having the word Bucks in your name is a total ####ing insult to Nathan Buckley and I am sure he would tell you so himself given half a chance.

If I were a MOD on these boards I would ban you and your URL for the rest of your natural life.
Unfortunately, like the road rules, the board rules are written to accommodate the stupidest person who may use it rather than the average person.

And if you are wondering about evolution, you are evidence of the existence of reverse-evolution...the trees can only but weeks away for you.

 

[shawthing09]

The problem with Maxwell is there is no where on the ground or nothing he can provide or worth if he is not playing loose or on a fairly poor foward.

His assets are his reading of when to zone off and his intensity hardness etc. The problem is that these alone aren't good enough. For a defender his direct opponent beats him far too often. I would actually be fairly interested to see the stat of how many goals Maxy has had kicked on him this year.

all the extra's he brings aren't of any use if his direct opponent is kicking goals on him. That said when he has the luxury of playing on say Gamble, Playfair etc he is a handy player. Unfortunatly there isn't always going to be a dud foward to send him too.

 

[adzarani]

I am often very critical of Maxwell's game. He gets caught horribly out of position against the incoming long ball, and gets drawn into contests he shouldn't while his opponent peels off for easy goals i.e Mitch Hahn. He is often rotated to stop him being exploited imo.

But with Goldsack and Anthony both in the side, I can't see Cox coming in and doing any better until he starts putting the 1%ers like Maxwell does.

 

[swiftdog]

i was talking about the small annoying minority that find fault in even good games.

There is fault in every game, there's no such thing as the perfect game, and we can always get better.

 

[ksardog]

get off maxwells back the match up was terrible , obrien was always the man for burton.you should be asking who was doing the defensive match ups .burton is an elite running athlete , obrien was clearly our best opponent for him, suprised the coaching staff couldnt see that.

 

[brspdt201013]

He is a very honest player and is in ur best 22 this year but over the next couple of years will be overtaken by the likes of Anthony, Goldsack, O'Brien, Cox, Reed etc

 

[WakeUpPies]

Have him tag a guy like Gilbee.

 

[Mondeo]

I hope MM continues to give him a man on man role .... especially against us next time.

 

[Seeks]

Now I think Maxwell did some nice things on the weekend and was a little unlucky with sme of the umpiring decisions.

However, the question needs to be asked do we want to have a defender who is constantly beaten by his opponent. Yes, it's wonderful how he's the third man up and WOW that was a great spoil, but while that's occuring his opponent is FREE!

Lets get serious guys, I like the guy, value his courage and determination, but Collingwood shot themselves in the foot by making him deputy vice, because it makes him almost impossible to drop.

Go Pies!

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Exactly.

He's a defender who can't actually taker a direct opponent.

Why do people accept this? Why is mediocrity accepted?

It baffles me.

 

[loki04]

Pros :

Fills the hole / 3rd man up
Great attack on the footy
Courageous
1% king

Negatives:

Gets exposed 1 v 1 (as a defender this isn't ideal)
Lack of match ups (too small for KPP not quick enough for mid - small forwards)
Bad decision maker (often fly's as 3rd man up even when he should stay down)
Average skilled
Goes forward with little to no effect (if all MM wants is forward pressure , any one of our young VFL players can provide this)


IMO Maxwell is important to us this year but when the younger players get bigger/more games into them he will struggle to get a game.

 

[Pie eyed]

get off maxwells back the match up was terrible , obrien was always the man for burton.you should be asking who was doing the defensive match ups .burton is an elite running athlete , obrien was clearly our best opponent for him, suprised the coaching staff couldnt see that.

I think if you wanted to shut down Burton completely Mick should have put Daisy on him.
But that would rob us of him elsewhere. So if Maxwell is the worst player in the side (and I don't believe that for a minute) but can usually keep a player accountable and do fairly good job as the third man up when required....do you trust that the rest of your team can put a big enough score on the board to outpoint the opposition?

It seems to me that the opposition always score a few goals against us, so apart from the 2 that Maxwell conceded who is to blame for the others?
Why shouldn't they be dropped?
Are they simply more likeable?
Or is this entire focus on Maxwell a very simple minded effort to solve a problem which every coach,in every game, in every era has had to face, Limit the opposition to a score lower than ours.
That is how you win every game.
Sometimes in order to score more you have to be willing to concede some.
Just remind me of the last time Collingwood beat any team to zero....never.
Mick Malthouse, and at the end of the day he is the only one that counts, feels that what Maxwell contributes outweighs his deficiencies.


And guess what...that is a fact.

 

[Snag Breac]

trust me ilch if it isnt Maxwell it'll be johnson and then rhyce shaw and we will gradually work our way back up, until all they complain about is the fact that it m,ust of been malthouse that spat in thier coffee because it tasted funny.

Its a sad edictment but collingwood supporters always must have a scape goat.whipping boy, it used to j cloke, rhyce shaw, rocca, obree, even thomas etc and now its maxwell and fraser. It has always been like this (for those that remeber gayfer and the shit he copped as well as manson both premierhsip heroes) and always will

Well said, Opti. That's just what I was thinking on Saturday when our first 2 goals came from Bryan and R. Shaw - 2 players many wanted to trade or delist just a couple of months ago. MM's belief in them is paying off, so maybe we should believe in MM in turn.

 

[Pie eyed]

I believe.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Well said, Opti. That's just what I was thinking on Saturday when our first 2 goals came from Bryan and R. Shaw - 2 players many wanted to trade or delist just a couple of months ago. MM's belief in them is paying off, so maybe we should believe in MM in turn.

thats the thing, i still feel incredibly guilty because when r shaw was brought up as trade bait by the club in this years preseason - i actually entertained the thought.

and now the way he is playing, he plays his heart out every week, you cannot ask for more. seriously he has been in out top 5 this year

so now my philosophy is, whether its shaw, fraser, maxwell...

If they are committed than so am I.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

He is a very honest player and is in ur best 22 this year but over the next couple of years will be overtaken by the likes of Anthony, Goldsack, O'Brien, Cox, Reed etc

but overall i tend to agree with this

 

[Jabso]

I watched the replay and Maxwell's apparent bathing was the most overreactive bs thing I've ever heard. You were perhaps all swayed by Shaw's commentary.

One goal was on Goldsack while he was moved on him (perhaps while Maxwell was zoning off him but still all our defenders do that).

One goal was for a free kick he got for diving the other was probably just there for holding the arm because the ball was more than 5 metres out of play (the umpires usually allow the defender to grapple or even knock away the arm the forward holds out to keep the defender away).

One shot on goal where Maxwell slipped.

One goal Burton had a big part in was against Maxwell when Medhurst had a turnover while Maxwell was the only defender against 3 Adelaide players.
One goal he was playing on Harry O'Brien.

He had a couple of early dropped sitters against him big woop.

His 2nd half was good.

If this was Brown or O'Brien playing against him we'd all be feeling sorry for him and thought he did well. Sure it wasn't the best first half, but it was hardly crucial, Collingwood weren't being beaten by Adelaide because of Burton, it was because Adelaide's gameplan was outplaying us and gave Burton the best opportunities possible.

Wakelin had a similar first half on Tippet.

 

[Optimax]

I watched the replay and Maxwell's apparent bathing was the most overreactive bs thing I've ever heard. You were perhaps all swayed by Shaw's commentary.

One goal was on Goldsack while he was moved on him (perhaps while Maxwell was zoning off him but still all our defenders do that).

One goal was for a free kick he got for diving the other was probably just there for holding the arm because the ball was more than 5 metres out of play (the umpires usually allow the defender to grapple or even knock away the arm the forward holds out to keep the defender away).

One shot on goal where Maxwell slipped.

One goal Burton had a big part in was against Maxwell when Medhurst had a turnover while Maxwell was the only defender against 3 Adelaide players.
One goal he was playing on Harry O'Brien.

He had a couple of early dropped sitters against him big woop.

His 2nd half was good.

If this was Brown or O'Brien playing against him we'd all be feeling sorry for him and thought he did well. Sure it wasn't the best first half, but it was hardly crucial, Collingwood weren't being beaten by Adelaide because of Burton, it was because Adelaide's gameplan was outplaying us and gave Burton the best opportunities possible.

Wakelin had a similar first half on Tippet.

was about to post somethign similar, after watching the replay the maxwell belting just never occured.

Well unless we want to bag out wakes for losing to tippett and say medhurst should of been dropped on his first half alone. Neither of which i advocate

 

[Kirk Hinrich #12]

was about to post somethign similar, after watching the replay the maxwell belting just never occured.

Well unless we want to bag out wakes for losing to tippett and say medhurst should of been dropped on his first half alone. Neither of which i advocate

Well i have been saying the same thing now for 3 days but good to finally get some support.

 

[Optimax]

Well i have been saying the same thing now for 3 days but good to finally get some support.

i wanted to see the replay first, but i felt the "pasting" he got may of been a massive overreaction, seems like it was.

 

[smiddaz123]

It's more than just this one game.

Surely you can concede he is nearly always beaten by his direct opponent?