The Law Nicola Gobbo named - Massive corruption by Victoria Police that will see major criminals released from jail

[Sainteric]

IMO, I reckon this will get shut down once the government case manage the scenario. They don't want this coming out in to a public forum. I believe the Attorney General has the power to release people upon issuing instructions. I suspect the solution will be political, not judicial.

I note they have talked about compensation. But if Andrew's let's them out their wont be an alp govt in Victoria for a generation

 

[Snake_Baker]

I note they have talked about compensation. But if Andrew's let's them out their wont be an alp govt in Victoria for a generation

Of course they're going to have to compensate a miscarriage of justice.

This has nothing to do with Andrews & the ALP government, it's VicPol & possibly the O.P.P., the Andrews government can either deal with it expediently, or have the whole sordid saga play out in the courts, deal with the exposure & fallout of corrupt cops etc., then have the High Court rain a s**t storm down on them.

The scenario occurred way before the Andrews Government was in power.

Do you honestly believe they are going to put lawyer X in the witness box for 20-30 or more cases?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Williams had a handy little business going pressing pills for the Morans until he got greedy and started cutting their lunch. Allegedly.

Williams was the root cause of the gangland wars.

Did he get greedy or his pushy ex-wife?

Just on that, why do they keep referring to her as the gangland widow? They were divorced, although even that was a sham, they must have done it for something to do with finances once he got locked up.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Did he get greedy or his pushy ex-wife?

Just on that, why do they keep referring to her as the gangland widow? They were divorced, although even that was a sham, they must have done it for something to do with finances once he got locked up.

Because it ropes in the suburbanites that get off on gangster pr0n and sells advertising.

 

[CheapCharlie]

From the surface on what has been reported so far, it's a bit of a beat up. What they have done is pretty unethical, but not illegal and just a way of shutting down the underworld.

Any more insights since this?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Any more insights since this?

Didn't age well, did it?

 

[Bradesmaen]

Didn't age well, did it?

All those arrests... whoa, I can't keep up. Court has already ruled against one case using informer 3838 as an excuse... many more to go. Snake to once again go into obscurity, kicking and screaming like usual about the police. Must have been denied the academy position.

It's good having CC on ignore, you don't get his pointless spam because he feels lonely.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Did he get greedy or his pushy ex-wife?

Just on that, why do they keep referring to her as the gangland widow? They were divorced, although even that was a sham, they must have done it for something to do with finances once he got locked up.

Same too with Judy Moran - she was separated from Lewis for 10 or so years leading up to his death. Yet she was constantly in the media.

I know this too as Lewis was with a member of my extended family for those several years up until he was murdered.

 

[Sainteric]

Of course they're going to have to compensate a miscarriage of justice.

This has nothing to do with Andrews & the ALP government, it's VicPol & possibly the O.P.P., the Andrews government can either deal with it expediently, or have the whole sordid saga play out in the courts, deal with the exposure & fallout of corrupt cops etc., then have the High Court rain a s**t storm down on them.

The scenario occurred way before the Andrews Government was in power.

Do you honestly believe they are going to put lawyer X in the witness box for 20-30 or more cases?

But the high court didn't, there was a very loud whinge, but no direction that will make this impossible.

Lets assume your correct and the only avenue is to let them up. Politically the ALP can't do that they will run with this until they can blame the judiciary. They will put lawyer X in the witness box until it becomes absolutely un win able in the punters eyes.

This will get very political

 

[Snake_Baker]

But the high court didn't, there was a very loud whinge, but no direction that will make this impossible.

Hang on, the High Court dealt with the suppression orders, not the intricacies of the entire case..

Lets assume your correct and the only avenue is to let them up. Politically the ALP can't do that they will run with this until they can blame the judiciary.

What on earth are you on about?

They will put lawyer X in the witness box until it becomes absolutely un win able in the punters eyes.

If they put her in the box, then she has to go in the box for every case affected by this disgrace, and then she will be forced to spill her guts on all the players and intricacies involved in this farce, as a platoon of lawyers line up to grill her, and then she must maintain integrity during this long grueling process.

This will get very political

I disagree with you. The Libs are in bed with VicPol (remember they were the one's that neutered the OPI?), and if they are to seek political points from this then they must publicly execute several high ranking cops in the process.

 

[Chameleon75]

Williams had a handy little business going pressing pills for the Morans until he got greedy and started cutting their lunch. Allegedly.

Williams was the root cause of the gangland wars.

Williams was a major driver of the war but I think you need to go back to the early to mid 1990’s for the foundation. Back then the drug squad was having undercover officers sell precursor chemicals to criminals with a view to later arresting the syndicates. Problem was the established syndicates already had their suppliers and under pressure to get results they were supplying anyone.

Have a look at the Peter Pilarinos trial, while he was known to police he wasn’t a major player until he hooked up with a corrupt drug squad officer, when you get to use the police evidence storage as your personal drug Costco, you can expand rapidly.

Look at Williams, he was stacking supermarket shelves and running shoplifting rings, suddenly becomes a major dealer and counts among his mates a former drug squad detective.

That failed policy allowed bit players and louts to become major dealers when they wouldn’t have access to the chemicals previously, that upset the apple cart and laid the foundation for the subsequent war, and in the process corrupted the drug squad and had it disbanded.

I doubt the royal Commission will go back that far, but that imo was the origin of the subsequent wars.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Williams was a major driver of the war but I think you need to go back to the early to mid 1990’s for the foundation. Back then the drug squad was having undercover officers sell precursor chemicals to criminals with a view to later arresting the syndicates. Problem was the established syndicates already had their suppliers and under pressure to get results they were supplying anyone.

Have a look at the Peter Pilarinos trial, while he was known to police he wasn’t a major player until he hooked up with a corrupt drug squad officer, when you get to use the police evidence storage as your personal drug Costco, you can expand rapidly.

Look at Williams, he was stacking supermarket shelves and running shoplifting rings, suddenly becomes a major dealer and counts among his mates a former drug squad detective.

That failed policy allowed bit players and louts to become major dealers when they wouldn’t have access to the chemicals previously, that upset the apple cart and laid the foundation for the subsequent war, and in the process corrupted the drug squad and had it disbanded.

I doubt the royal Commission will go back that far, but that imo was the origin of the subsequent wars.

Andrew Rule/John Silvester paperbacks are not a good source of information

 

[Chameleon75]

Andrew Rule/John Silvester paperbacks are not a good source of information

Never read their books.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Never read their books.

Then you have managed to channel their simple premises very well.

 

[Kurve]

Williams was a major driver of the war but I think you need to go back to the early to mid 1990’s for the foundation. Back then the drug squad was having undercover officers sell precursor chemicals to criminals with a view to later arresting the syndicates. Problem was the established syndicates already had their suppliers and under pressure to get results they were supplying anyone.

Have a look at the Peter Pilarinos trial, while he was known to police he wasn’t a major player until he hooked up with a corrupt drug squad officer, when you get to use the police evidence storage as your personal drug Costco, you can expand rapidly.

Look at Williams, he was stacking supermarket shelves and running shoplifting rings, suddenly becomes a major dealer and counts among his mates a former drug squad detective.

That failed policy allowed bit players and louts to become major dealers when they wouldn’t have access to the chemicals previously, that upset the apple cart and laid the foundation for the subsequent war, and in the process corrupted the drug squad and had it disbanded.

I doubt the royal Commission will go back that far, but that imo was the origin of the subsequent wars.

Strawhorn.

I haven't read Rules or Sly's books either but this is also my understanding. There were other crews operating quietly, a couple over the border where the precursor they were using technically wasn't illegal, the law hadn't quite caught up. As you said, established. Nobody was getting shot until Strawhorn et al entered with his chemical diversion program distributing it willy nilly all over Victoria and in some instances later, interstate.

He/they created chaos.

 

[Run n Spread]

IMO, I reckon this will get shut down once the government case manage the scenario. They don't want this coming out in to a public forum. I believe the Attorney General has the power to release people upon issuing instructions. I suspect the solution will be political, not judicial.

Don't see how they are not all released sooner or later. Their trials were corrupted and thus not fair. Can't go any other way. Even the Guilty pleas become void without proper representation. No double jepordy either.

Who knows if Police are charged? 50-50 as technically not illegal in of itself but dodgy and depends if pressuring tactics were used.

 

[Run n Spread]

Williams was a major driver of the war but I think you need to go back to the early to mid 1990’s for the foundation. Back then the drug squad was having undercover officers sell precursor chemicals to criminals with a view to later arresting the syndicates. Problem was the established syndicates already had their suppliers and under pressure to get results they were supplying anyone.

Have a look at the Peter Pilarinos trial, while he was known to police he wasn’t a major player until he hooked up with a corrupt drug squad officer, when you get to use the police evidence storage as your personal drug Costco, you can expand rapidly.

Look at Williams, he was stacking supermarket shelves and running shoplifting rings, suddenly becomes a major dealer and counts among his mates a former drug squad detective.

That failed policy allowed bit players and louts to become major dealers when they wouldn’t have access to the chemicals previously, that upset the apple cart and laid the foundation for the subsequent war, and in the process corrupted the drug squad and had it disbanded.

I doubt the royal Commission will go back that far, but that imo was the origin of the subsequent wars.

Who knows? Once it started thou basically became tit for tat and took on a life of its own.

 

[owen87]

Don't see how they are not all released sooner or later. Their trials were corrupted and thus not fair. Can't go any other way. Even the Guilty pleas become void without proper representation. No double jepordy either.

Who knows if Police are charged? 50-50 as technically not illegal in of itself but dodgy and depends if pressuring tactics were used.

As has been mentioned, I don't think there's a fruit of the poisonous tree type rule here; so if the evidence stands after review then the convictions may still hold.

I think anyone that has been almost entirely convicted on evidence gathered using Lawyer X, or testimony from Lawyer X are the cases most likely to be thrown out, whereas others that have substantial alternative evidence might see a sentence reduction (or no change at all).

I don't know enough about individual cases to comment on specifics, but it seems Mokbel is the most commonly mentioned one that may get off entirely.

 

[Run n Spread]

As has been mentioned, I don't think there's a fruit of the poisonous tree type rule here; so if the evidence stands after review then the convictions may still hold.

I think anyone that has been almost entirely convicted on evidence gathered using Lawyer X, or testimony from Lawyer X are the cases most likely to be thrown out, whereas others that have substantial alternative evidence might see a sentence reduction (or no change at all).

I don't know enough about individual cases to comment on specifics, but it seems Mokbel is the most commonly mentioned one that may get off entirely.

You surely can't have whoever informed against you representing you. That just makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

[owen87]

You surely can't have whoever informed against you representing you. That just makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Oh I agree; however whether the conviction is overturned because of it will depend on how much other evidence there is.

If there's a whole lot of physical evidence that was obtained because of information provided by Lawyer X, does that get thrown out even if the source wasn't OK?

Whereas if the conviction is largely based off testimony from Lawyer X then I can see that fairly easily being overturned.

The police in question also deserve sanctions over this.

The whole system hinges on the presumption of innocence and due process.

 

[Sainteric]

As has been mentioned, I don't think there's a fruit of the poisonous tree type rule here; so if the evidence stands after review then the convictions may still hold.

I think anyone that has been almost entirely convicted on evidence gathered using Lawyer X, or testimony from Lawyer X are the cases most likely to be thrown out, whereas others that have substantial alternative evidence might see a sentence reduction (or no change at all).

I don't know enough about individual cases to comment on specifics, but it seems Mokbel is the most commonly mentioned one that may get off entirely.

More or less they will find it difficult to maintain any conviction that substantially relies on information she provided.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Don't see how they are not all released sooner or later. Their trials were corrupted and thus not fair. Can't go any other way. Even the Guilty pleas become void without proper representation. No double jepordy either.

Who knows if Police are charged? 50-50 as technically not illegal in of itself but dodgy and depends if pressuring tactics were used.

I agree. Technically, they should all be released now and placed under strict bail conditions.

Of course several police should be charged, but it won't happen. The law doesn't apply to them.

 

[Snake_Baker]

You surely can't have whoever informed against you representing you. That just makes a mockery of the whole thing.

What's more is that information was drawn out clients under the pretence that it was going to be utilised to defend them.

It's scandalous, there's no other way of putting it.

 

[AM]

Vic Court of Appeal has apparently extended the suppression order in the Lawyer X case.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Vic Court of Appeal has apparently extended the suppression order in the Lawyer X case.

Off to the HCA we go again.