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[Tas]

Except the reason you bring up Gibbs and Murphy (and that others bring up the likes of Jack Watts and Dyson Heppell) is not because of a percieved physical weakness, it is a mental one. They are seen as softer players, ones who are scared of being hurt in the contest, and are therefore deemed to be like women.

Seeing as I've never seen any evidence that shows Women are more mentally weak than men (as opposed to physically), when I see remarks that appear to draw that conclusion, its pretty easy to discern some mildly sexist undertones

It is definitely not mental weakness, there are numerous early round picks that never made the grade, who went in for the hard ball like their life depended on it, these type of players are never mocked, even when their career is cut very short by comparison.

I think if most people are honest with themselves, they know full well my intent was to have a light-hearted jab at Gibbs & Murphy given Carlton was mentioned in the article and it wasn't an attempt to demean women of women's football. If we are not to make jokes or comments about anything that anyone might possibly misinterpret or possibly become offended by then public forums would be devoid of any comment.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

Peter Gordon on 774 this morning summarised the bidding teams, as i remember it, "North want to foster development/community links etc and Collingwood says they've got heaps of money....

I hope we are successful with the bid. It would further entrench North as a community club with a real interest in developing ties with all types of groups/ages/genders etc.

 

[Only Forwards]

I'd imagine it would mean that if successful we would have a North Melbourne side playing out of Arden St.

 

[Tas]

Not sure about the women's team, but I do know this thread is heading to Werribee fast.

Regardless of intent, or which side of the 'it's a sexist joke/no it's not' fence you sit on, you'd have to be two short planks-thick not to appreciate that it has the potential to be contentious. (Particularly if, as people so often say, the world really has 'gone PC mad'.) In the absence of any subtext, like a hearty Goodes-directed boo, it's something that is destined to be interpreted in ways that you may not have intended. And all the bemusement and indignation in the world won't change that. I'm not passing judgement on whether it is right or wrong to draw such assumptions, just stating the pragmatic reality of the situation as it stands.

Personally, it's a joke I'd avoid if for no other reason than it has zero comedic value. (Of course I could be alone in thinking that, but I doubt it.)

Either way, while trying to keep my own personal politics out of this, I'd suggest it's a joke that's probably not a great fit for this thread. As we can all see, it has the potential to quickly derail discussion. So maybe it'd be cool if people could hold off on dropping it here, just in the interests of keeping the thread open, and for the benefit of those wishing to discuss the subject without having to wade through repeat plays of an already tired joke and the (often worthy but ultimately tangential) disputes that inevitably follow.

Within reason, I agree in general about not intentionally making comment intended to offend. I wont talk about it anymore, don't want to derail the thread more than it has been but after a certain point I no longer care if a comment has the possibility to offend someone, any comment about almost anything has the potential to offend someone.

It's not the responsibility of someone to self-censor to the lowest common denominator, it is the responsibility of the reader to make that judgement about what they want to expose themselves to and they have the tools to filter. I reserve the right to make stupid comments and make an arse out of myself from time to time, I think the world would be a boring place if people didn't. If people have fragile sensitivities they should probably block me as I am likely going to offend someone at some point, although not intentionally.

 

[Arden]

Tas, if you feel the need to make such jokes again, just drop them in the middle of one of your normal length posts and then nobody will bother to read it

 

[Firestarter]

I should have said their women's team would provide a better contest.

 

[IschenkoUBeauty]

Tas, if you feel the need to make such jokes again, just drop them in the middle of one of your normal length posts and then nobody will bother to read it

Do you ever do anything but complain?

 

[Arden]

Do you ever do anything but complain?

You no lubb?

 

[utility]

Not sure about the women's team, but I do know this thread is heading to Werribee fast.

Regardless of intent, or which side of the 'it's a sexist joke/no it's not' fence you sit on, you'd have to be two short planks-thick not to appreciate that it has the potential to be contentious. (Particularly if, as people so often say, the world really has 'gone PC mad'.) In the absence of any subtext, like a hearty Goodes-directed boo, it's something that is destined to be interpreted in ways that you may not have intended. And all the bemusement and indignation in the world won't change that. I'm not passing judgement on whether it is right or wrong to draw such assumptions, just stating the pragmatic reality of the situation as it stands.

Personally, it's a joke I'd avoid if for no other reason than it has zero comedic value. (Of course I could be alone in thinking that, but I doubt it.)

Either way, while trying to keep my own personal politics out of this, I'd suggest it's a joke that's probably not a great fit for this thread. As we can all see, it has the potential to quickly derail discussion. So maybe it'd be cool if people could hold off on dropping it here, just in the interests of keeping the thread open, and for the benefit of those wishing to discuss the subject without having to wade through repeat plays of an already tired joke and the (often worthy but ultimately tangential) disputes that inevitably follow.

Well said. You'd make a great mod on this board...

 

[Zondor]

Should be rejected on the basis their women's team is in the male comp.

This isn't a sexist thing. Just that they are pretty poor.

What is pretty poor is your posting. :stern look

Violence against women begins with disrespect. Time for a few blokes to pull their heads in.

LT goes Smash. He is right. :stern look

Dude. Don't put me in that group. That is exactly why I added the disclaimer.

I would rather be called a GC sympathiser than erroneously accused as a wife beater.

So what's your disclaimer again? I mock men by calling them women? Yeah that aint Casual Misogyny.

Claiming that your post isn't sexist doesn't make it any less sexist.

You've just been "Boned" Fugly. :stern look

In any case Carlton is a rival we desperately don't need.

Now is this moronic post you washing your hands of the issue? :stern look

 

[wandering123]

Should be rejected on the basis their women's team is in the male comp.

This isn't a sexist thing. Just that they are pretty poor.

How is that not sexist? You are implying that women are inferior to men???

 

[wandering123]

Pull your heads in!

There are a lot of female NMFCBF members and I'm sure, like me, they are disgusted to read some of the diatribe and disrespect towards women shown in this thread.

FWIW I could beat the crap out of any of you.

 

[Firestarter]

Sigh.

Gonna take people a lifetime to get over a joke aimed at the CARLTON FOOTBALL CLUB isn't it.

If the intent wasn't clear after the second attempt I should replace women's team with U12s so people can stop playing the misogyny card. Because that annoys me more than you think.

 

[Only Forwards]

Sigh.

Gonna take people a lifetime to get over a joke aimed at the CARLTON FOOTBALL CLUB isn't it.

I would think its because the people you are wanting to get over it don't view it as a joke.

 

[wandering123]

Sigh.

Gonna take people a lifetime to get over a joke aimed at the CARLTON FOOTBALL CLUB isn't it.

You think implying that women are inferior is a joke?

There are plenty of other jokes that can be made about carlton that don't involve denigrating women.

 

[Firestarter]

I'll continue to live my life in a family with three women whom I've never raisdes a hand to while people who don't know me and clearly base their opinions on one off colour joke while clearly ignoring everything else label me a women hater. Because they REALLY know me.

Since you people refuse to let it go. Don't assume you can be more offended because that really pisses me off.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I'm happy for anyone to step in and ask for more respect for women, even if they are, in fact, men. And anyone who has never given birth and then existed on minimal sleep while continuing a years-long process of growing a human being can wait until they have to comment on women's relative strength.

Anyway. I was proud to read that Age article and be reminded of Jennie Loughnan on the sidelines while women were still invisible, and to see all North's women together. I would love us to get a team but I was even more excited to hear Carl say that the work will go on regardless. It would be great to think that the AFL would go for long-term development and growth over fast cash but... why go on... go North.

 

[wandering123]

I'll continue to live my life in a family with three women whom I've never raises a hand to while people who don't know me and clearly base their opinions on one off colour joke label me a women hater. Because they REALLY know me.

Since you people refuse to let it go. Don't assume you can be more offended because that really pisses me off.

So you don't see a problem with denigrating women even though you apparently live with three of them?

No one has labelled you a woman hater. But I would prefer if you (and other guilty parties) refrained from making such off colour jokes in an environment that is supposed to be welcoming to all North brethren.

 

[Only Forwards]

I would love us to get a team but I was even more excited to hear Carl say that the work will go on regardless. It would be great to think that the AFL would go for long-term development and growth over fast cash but... why go on... go North.

Took the mens team 29 years to enter the highest league in the land.

If we don't get a license straight up so be it, sticking at things is what we do.

I like this as it allows me to dream of both my children one day pulling on the royal blue and white.

 

[Firestarter]

Unfortunately for me this was indeed the wrong topic and time to make that kind of dig at Carlton. Could've called them marshmallows or softcocks or perennial bottom dwellers with their best highlight being the humiliation of Richmond in their last final. What sounds good to me never translates into something socially appropriate.

I will get exactly what I deserve. And will have to atone for the next six months. No joke.

 

[wandering123]

Unfortunately for me this was indeed the wrong topic and time to make that kind of dig at Carlton. Could've called them marshmallows or softcocks or perennial bottom dwellers with their best highlight being the humiliation of Richmond in their last final. What sounds good to me never translates into something socially appropriate.

I will get exactly what I deserve. And will have to atone for the next six months. No joke.

Any of those terms would cause far less offence than implying that because they are a weak football team, they must be women. Hopefully, you will choose a more appropriate insult next time

 

[Only Forwards]

There is a forgotten angle here.

North Melbourne need this team. Need it.

We get it then we petition for a Father Daughter rule to be introduced.

Carey's McKernan's and Martyn's all playing in the one side.

BANG.

 

[wandering123]

There is a forgotten angle here.

North Melbourne need this team. Need it.

We get it then we petition for a Father Daughter rule to be introduced.

Carey's McKernan's and Martyn's all playing in the one side.

BANG.

Don't forget Archers.

 

[giantroo]

Don't forget Archers.

Simmo's, Shagga's and Boomer's too.

 

[Limerick]

I am involved with the Diamond Creek Women's Football club that play out of Plenty. We have juniors - under 12s, 14s & 16s plus a Senior Reserves team in the VWFL and our First Seniors in the new (2016) Women's VFL comp. We look like establishing a relationship with Carlton. North need to establish a relationship with a local club that has a junior and 2nd tier (VFL) women's teams.