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[BACCS]

Lynch was Lyons until Tex got injured.

No he wasn't, unless you are referring to 2012 when he couldn't get a game because our team finished top 2 and the forwardline were performing well?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Never coached under a draft system, but have presided over more than one rebuild. To suggest the draft hampers our ability to play youth is astonishing. Poor Rory... imagine being such a shit player based on being selected outside the first round.

As for the draft picks tears.... We have had this selection strategy fir the last 10 years.

I'm wondering if you've seen Rory play since he's been on your list. I have

What you promote is essentially a bunch of excuses to do the same we've always done, which has historically, in life as well as football - resulted in the same result over and over. You must be insane

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I know ALL ABOUT Rory from Melbourne insiders as he was supposedly a monty to go to Essendon 2nd round

I think he's a great player (potentially) ......but he has faults that he has to work on
You just want to see him play from a curiosity POV ......anyone with any experience in these matters would say you're talking crap

We fast track M.Crouch .......but the club wants to deliberately hold back players equally as good .....stupid argument Feenix

 

[feenix67]

His selection wasn't left field, he was already a best 22 member before Tex went down. He didn't play much in 2012 because our forwardline was dominating.

Huh? He was best 22 but didn't play because he wasn't best 22? I think you should go back and have a look at when and why he started getting a permanent run.

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[BACCS]

Actually, the competition has examples of clubs who have cut down to the bone, moved on lots of players, taken a longer term view and even publicly stated their premiership plans (Hawks 5 years, 2 premierships, 50 000 members or whatever it was). Collingwood and Hawthorn are perfect examples.

Richmond and Carlton's stating their premiership plans have always gone great guns for them... Collingwood and the Hawks may be perfect examples, but for every perfect example, there are plenty of dud ones.

 

[feenix67]

I am interested to see what Paul Roos does with Aiden Riley when he is fit to play. Will he get games in the AFL or will he be left in the VFL ?
I really liked his hardness because i reckon we lack a bit of it in the midfield.

Fantastic example of ridiculous selection/trade policy.

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[WaynesWorld19]

It's already been said, Crouch only got a game because we got more injuries and we were so shit..
This has been going on for years, not just recently..
Never an eye on the future, only on this coming game..

What happened to Shaw btw? I thought you told us how stupid we were to ever think he would be dropped because they love him so much and think he's so important..

I have already said IMO he will be a good player .....the club at every opportunity has tried to fast track him which says they're of the same opinion.

That said ALL PLAYERS, particularly young fluctuate in form .....and players should be played on form unless you have some credits in the bank ...Shaw doesn't

 

[BACCS]

Huh? He was best 22 but didn't play because he wasn't best 22? I think you should go back and have a look at when and why he started getting a permanent run.

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He was a best 22 player in the early rounds last season before Tex went down, I never said he was one in 2012. He got a more permanent gig early in 2013 after we had lost Tippett, same with Jenkins. He was simply unlucky in 2012 because our side was dominating, not sure how that makes him a 'Lyons selection'.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Exaggeration !

Laird ......2nd year
Crouch(m) ...1st year
Crouch (b) ....1st year
Brown ......2nd year
Lynch .....2nd year

Lyons ......2nd year



Please tell me where we confine players to years in the SANFL .......unless we're talking LJ (who btw also played 2nd year)
So who are we referring to?

I'm not going through 10 years of examples for you. Would take ages. This has been done for years back from Knights to Walker to Gunston to Curnow to Lyons... and the argument goes around in circles. I can give you the figures, compare them to other clubs and you'll still find a way for it not to count.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There is no ready.

"Ready" is a subjective point in time. Clarkson, Sanderson, Craig, Blight, Worsfold, Malthouse... they will all look at the same player and have a different opinion on when that player is ready for senior action.

Posters like you and Vader seem to think that "ready" is a universally accepted measure. A player ticks over into a new category. Wasn't ready yesterday but they are today.

Do you actually know what you said here

You're correct .......there are degrees of readiness and sometimes injury & form forces teams to play players early

But there's black & white .....ready v NOT ready

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Brad Crouch, after having a stellar SANFL season as a 17 year old, isn't rewarded with round 1 selection the following year.

Utter madness

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One game .......we're talking one game FFS

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do you actually know what you said here

You're correct .......there are degrees of readiness and sometimes injury & form forces teams to play players early

But there's black & white .....ready v NOT ready

Actually, it is the exact opposite of what you are saying.

There is no black and white.

The point where black becomes white will differ depending on who is making the decisions. All coaches have a different perspective, a different philosophy. Malthouse will throw a kid in for his debut on Anzac Day. Other coaches will hold them back.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Small mindedness WW.. if the team is not cutting it, ITS NOT CUTTING IT. So accept it and get games into the kids you picked up fir your next roll of the dice.

Your policy works well with an established balanced list. Ours is neither.

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Lets disagree ......IMO the list has some holes in pace & height ....but its not in that bad a condition, certainly not as bad as you're making it out

ATM the team is out of form and there's no teamwork .....that situation doesn't carry over to the health of the list ....it just doesn't !

 

[Elite Crow]

One game .......we're talking one game FFS

We lost that by less than a kick didn't we? Did Pets play and stink after having a limited preseason? Did we miss the finals by one game?

 

[feenix67]

I know ALL ABOUT Rory from Melbourne insiders as he was supposedly a monty to go to Essendon 2nd round

I think he's a great player (potentially) ......but he has faults that he has to work on
You just want to see him play from a curiosity POV ......anyone with any experience in these matters would say you're talking crap

We fast track M.Crouch .......but the club wants to deliberately hold back players equally as good .....stupid argument Feenix

Actually my first reference to Rory in that post was supposed to be Sloaney. You know the guy picked in the 30s.

No, I want to see Atkins played because he has attributes that we lack. We picked him up for a reason didn't we?

Kerridge, dropped after good form. B Crouch ignored after a great season of SANFL. Lyons, played out of position and in and out of the team like a yoyo, while we play an injured and utterly useless Thommo. LJ dropped after being our best goal kicking option (supposedly for bad defensive effoets)and replaced by a guy who can't physically tackle. M Grigg, gets 10 mins of game time at the end of the season while we continue to play hacks like Tambling.

You are over inflating the importance of current form in a team that isn't cutting it. Sure, you don't replace a well performed player with a kid, but you don't keep an underperforming senior in a team that isn't going to succeed either.

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[WaynesWorld19]

I'm not going through 10 years of examples for you. Would take ages. This has been done for years back from Knights to Walker to Gunston to Curnow to Lyons... and the argument goes around in circles. I can give you the figures, compare them to other clubs and you'll still find a way for it not to count.

No just give me a couple ...there must be a couple in your head to base the post on ?

Curnow???? ....was a one year rookie who couldn't be upgraded ...what did we do wrong there?

Gunston .......left us, we desperately wanted to keep

I am talking players who left because we confined then to years in the SANFL, which was your point?

 

[feenix67]

One game .......we're talking one game FFS

Wasn't it 3? But in any case, what more did he do to justify his selection after not being picked? Nothing, it was just a stupid decision.

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[WaynesWorld19]

Actually, it is the exact opposite of what you are saying.

There is no black and white.

The point where black becomes white will differ depending on who is making the decisions. All coaches have a different perspective, a different philosophy. Malthouse will throw a kid in for his debut on Anzac Day. Other coaches will hold them back.

Now you're being rediculous ...or not thinking it thru

Is Siggins ready to play NOW? .......you're saying yes ...no black & white

Is Graham ready NOW? ....you're saying yes ...no black & white

Of course not ....you'll say Graham is a dud ...but how do we know because based on popular opinion we have to see them first at AFL level & there's no Crows form-guide

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Wasn't it 3? But in any case, what more did he do to justify his selection after not being picked? Nothing, it was just a stupid decision.

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Missed the first game, played the 2nd game and so on till injured

 

[Elite Crow]

His selection wasn't left field, he was already a best 22 member before Tex went down. He didn't play much in 2012 because our forwardline was dominating.

Lynch was playing his 2nd game for the season when Tex went down.

 

[feenix67]

And what did he do in that first game to all of a sudden warrant selection?

PS we have seen Graham at AFL level, which is why his selection over any div 3 ammo ruckman as a fall back position is astounding.

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[feenix67]

Here's some blokes who warrant selection:

Tom Lynch's impressive return from injury was a highlight for Adelaide. Playing his first game of the year, Lynch amassed a match-high 31 possessions and nine marks in a dominant display. Rookie Jake Kelly stood tall in defence, collecting 22 disposals and seven marks, as did Luke Thompson (23 possessions and seven marks). Midfielders Jarryd Lyons (28 disposals and 11 clearances) and Cam Ellis-Yolmen (28 disposals and nine marks) also found plenty of the ball.

For gods sake, give Lyons an extended run in the middle and play Thommo up forward where we lack experience and grunt. Pick Lynch obviously. Please reward CEY, a great season so far. Pick Atkins and throw him the vest. Hell, the wraps on Kelly have been great and he's doing well, elevate him.

Here are our alternatives. Keep the current yoyo policy and at best finish 7-12 with no more games into our next generation. Or play the kids and see what happens - at worst we finish low and get a good pick, at best we surprise a few and finish 7-12 with 20 more invaluable games into our next gen.

I know which one has my vote.





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[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

No just give me a couple ...there must be a couple in your head to base the post on ?

Curnow???? ....was a one year rookie who couldn't be upgraded ...what did we do wrong there?

Gunston .......left us, we desperately wanted to keep

I am talking players who left because we confined then to years in the SANFL, which was your point?

Players who played/are playing too much SANFL football: Reilly, L Thompson, Armstrong, Curnow, Davis, Griffin, Gunston, Knights, Pfeiffer, Riley, Sellar, Young, Maric, Meesen, Johnston, Jaensch, Walker, L Brown, Kerridge, Ellis-Yolmen, Lyons, Shaw, McKernan, Grigg, Martin... Even Bernie Vince who was drafted as a 20 year old only played 10 games in his first two seasons.

Now... obviously you can't invest significant games in ALL of them in their first couple of seasons. But you don't need to. You only need a handful. Identify them early, prepare them, faith and invest in them. Get them to 50 games asap then reap the rewards.

Our approach is to basically put all of them on the back burner and use them on a needs basis only. If injuries come then they might get a few games if there are no older players to bring in.

Now, under our approach:
- A few come through anyway (eg Walker)
- Plenty go nowhere (Young)
- A bunch stay on the list FOREVER before you can figure out if they are any good (L Thompson, Sellar, Martin)
- A few fall out of love with the club at a critical time (Davis, Gunston)
- Others are permanent yoyos (Petrenko)

How many of the list above are we happy with the result we've got? Walker... and no others. Hopefully a couple of the younger guys who are there now will come on.

Douglas, Dangerfield, Sloane, Smith, Talia... let's hope Laird & B Crouch continue what they've shown. So including Walker and counting Laird/B Crouch that's 8 players in 10 years that we've successfully developed under our method.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Now you're being rediculous ...or not thinking it thru

Is Siggins ready to play NOW? .......you're saying yes ...no black & white

Is Graham ready NOW? ....you're saying yes ...no black & white

Of course not ....you'll say Graham is a dud ...but how do we know because based on popular opinion we have to see them first at AFL level & there's no Crows form-guide

What are you talking about?

There are always going to be obvious ones.

Is Gary Ablett Jr ready to play this week? Yes.
Is the scrawny 18 year old draftee ruckman who weighs 70 kgs? No

It's the players somewhere in the middle where decisions have to be made. And this is where since Blight we have historically erred on the side of caution.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What are you talking about?

There are always going to be obvious ones.

Is Gary Ablett Jr ready to play this week? Yes.
Is the scrawny 18 year old draftee ruckman who weighs 70 kgs? No

It's the players somewhere in the middle where decisions have to be made. And this is where since Blight we have historically erred on the side of caution.

But you said black & white .......not decisions have to be made

So who determines whether the decision made is good , bad, or fair ?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

But you said black & white .......not decisions have to be made

I said that it's not black and white.

Malthouse, Craig, Sanderson, Clarkson, Wayne's World, Me... will all see it differently and have a different opinion on who is ready and who is not.

So who determines whether the decision made is good , bad, or fair ?

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