No non-Vic team has defeated a Vic team in the Grand Final without list or salary cap concessions

[demondavey]

In 1989 we played 1 game at the G in the lead up to the GF compared with the Cats playing 7.
Back then no one gave a shit.

People these days are pathetic.

Well said mate

 

[amer]

There's a lot of apportioning blame here, when there is no need for blame, simply for change. We've got a dumb competition that is structurally unfair.

Pointing out anomalies and using sides struggling at home when they're struggling in general does not help, it shows that you are stupid.

We have unequal ground dimensions because of an absence of regulation and agreed upon standard. That means there is no single party who can claim the "right" ground size irrespective of any dumb contract formed before the game was even national. No particular community owns the game. It is common. No one group should have assimilated ahead of the other, it simply needs working out as a collective.

 

[dean33]

No. Geelong complained because we finished HIGHER than Richmond, so should have got the home ground advantage. But because Richmond has some entitlement mentality, they think that they should never have to play at Symons Stadium. But, in 2016, when Richmond played Geelong at the 'G, hardly any Richmond supporters showed up (they must have still been building the bandwagon). Then, when Richmond start winning and they all come out of the woodwork, they bitch and moan, and get KB to complain on the radio (I didn't see Kevin going to the 'G to see Richmond those 15 years he wanted nothing to do with the club because they sacked him for sucking as a coach), they carry on about having to play Geelong in an away game at Geelong's home ground.

I can't wait until Richmond return to form, and start losing all the time again. I used to feel sorry for Richmond, and used to like the club but can't wait until they start disappointing you again and wipe the arrogant smiles off stupid Richmond bandwagon jumpers faces. If ever a team deserved less to brag, based on their history, it is Richmond.

PS One finals loss to Richmond doesn't erase away all the joy I got of years of Gary Ablett snr kicking 10+ goals against the Tigers every time on the 'G. Your home ground advantage didn't do much then.

Haha wow you mad...

 

[amer]

Winning finals away from your home ground is easy

Again, separate your emotion out.

One premiership in 62 years, from the improbable winning condition of seventh.

Winning away from home is very, very hard, and not evenly structurally distributed in this competition.

 

[demondavey]

In 2017, Port Adelaide had a home preliminary final against interstate Opposition. Lost.
in 2016, GWS and Geelong both had Preliminary finals against interstate opposition. West Coast had Interstate opposition in their Elimination finals. All lost.
In 2015, Fremantle had a home prelimnary final. Western Bulldogs had a home Elimination Final. Lost.

Plenty of opportunities for Interstate clubs (and Victorian clubs) to advance in finals with a home ground advantage but have failed. So its only an Issue on Grand final day apparently.

2003 PF - Brisbane d Sydney in Sydney
2005 PF - Sydney d St Kilda in Melbourne
2006 PF - West Coast d Adelaide in Adelaide
2012 EF - Fremantle d Geelong in Geelong
2015 PF - Hawthorn d Fremantle in Perth
2016 EF - WB d WC in Perth
2016 EF - WB d GWS in Sydney
2017 EF - WC d Port in Adelaide

Whilst i agree that that GF should be shared nationally because I think it's important for the holistic aspect of the sport, I completely dismiss this notion of the interstate GF side being disadvantaged. Teams can win anywhere IF they are good enough.

 

[demondavey]

No non-Victorian side has won the premiership over a Victorian side without list or salary cap concessions.

Then explain those statistics you've just seen? And I dare say there are more. Adelaide 97-98 d WB in the PF. Just two more examples. I know WC d the WB in a final in 99 I think in Melbourne.

 

[kranky al]

2003 PF - Brisbane d Sydney in Sydney
2005 PF - Sydney d St Kilda in Melbourne
2006 PF - West Coast d Adelaide in Adelaide
2012 EF - Fremantle d Geelong in Geelong
2015 PF - Hawthorn d Fremantle in Perth
2016 EF - WB d WC in Perth
2016 EF - WB d GWS in Sydney
2017 EF - WC d Port in Adelaide

Whilst i agree that that GF should be shared nationally because I think it's important for the holistic aspect of the sport, I completely dismiss this notion of the interstate GF side being disadvantaged. Teams can win anywhere IF they are good enough.

Teams CAN win anywhere

But the smart money - all things being even - is on a home team

 

[parano1a]

So much salt from the OP. Richmond were the better team on the day, build a bridge already.

 

[parmy2balmey]

No non-Victorian side has won the premiership over a Victorian side without list or salary cap concessions.

so your players need to be paid more to overcome home ground advantage? lmfao that is gold

 

[kranky al]

so your players need to be paid more to overcome home ground advantage? lmfao that is gold

Actually an interesting point

Interstate players spend a lot more time at work away from home

You guys are home eating lunch the day before the game when we fly out - and are home eating dinner when we get on a flight home

Fifo

 

[blue harvest]

We have unequal ground dimensions because of an absence of regulation and agreed upon standard.

 

[Tony Harrison]

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Not sure KP conforms to 3.2 (a)(i).

 

[Catters 070911]

Now let me see. Premiership gap 1963 to 2007 = 43 years of being shyte
Our premiership gap 1980 to 2017 = 37 years of being shyte

I think you have us covered quite easily as you were, in the end, "Geelong" for just so much longer than we were "Richmond"......

But we didn't act like entitled little bitches, who pissed and moaned everytime we didn't get our own way.

We didn't miss finals for years on end, like Richmond who missed between 1982-1995, again in 1996-2001, and then again 2002-2012.

We didn't have our games record holder piss off for fifteen years and swear not to come back, because he got sacked for being one of the worst coaches in history, only to come back and then wax lyrical about the team on the radio all the time (KB the ultimate bandwagon jumper).

We haven't been belted by over 60+ plus points many, many times over the years like Richmond has. In fact, we inflicted a few on Richmond.

We don't have supporters in their thousands crawl out of the woodwork and cheer when the team are doing well, but a search party needs to be send out for them when the team is doing bad.

We continually had one of our greatest players have some of his best days out against Richmond. Efforts of 10, 12 and 14 goals were some of the Tiger feasts that Gary Ablett snr had against you.

We haven't had our supporters brag so loudly when they had proven so little during our draught, like Richmond have.

We drafted better over the years, made more finals, more Grand Finals and weren't a basketcase.

We haven't won a wooden spoon since 1944. Richmond have won a few since then.

Richmond almost quadrupled the amount of coaches they had during their draught that Geelong did during theirs.

 

[blue harvest]

Winning away from home is very, very hard, and not evenly structurally distributed in this competition.

No it's not. Bulldogs won 2 interstate finals last year. Eagles won one this year. Swans won the prelim at the G last year. We won one in 2015 and so did North. Port in 2014, Port and Freo in 2013, Swans twice in 2012 and Freo again. It goes on and on and on.

Not sure what comp you've been watching.

 

[wal]

I know WC d the WB in a final in 99 I think in Melbourne.

Correct, but it is the only time WC have beaten a Melbourne based side in a final at the MCG. Ever!

 

[bh90210fan]

No it's not. Bulldogs won 2 interstate finals last year. Eagles won one this year. Swans won the prelim at the G last year. We won one in 2015 and so did North. Port in 2014, Port and Freo in 2013, Swans twice in 2012 and Freo again. It goes on and on and on.

Not sure what comp you've been watching.

Not sure what comp you’ve been watching

Top 4 this year
Crows 11 - 3 at home, 6 - 1 - 4 away

Cats 6 - 1 at home, 10 - 1 - 7 away

Tigers 12 - 2 at home, 6 - 5 away

GWS 10 - 1 - 1 at home and Manuka Oval, 5 - 1 - 7 away

They all won shitloads more at home this year it makes a huge difference it’s obvious

 

[Tony Harrison]

But we didn't act like entitled little bitches, who pissed and moaned everytime we didn't get our own way.

I would just like to say that I for one am very much glad that you are making up for that now.

 

[blue harvest]

Not sure what comp you’ve been watching

Top 4 this year
Crows 11 - 3 at home, 6 - 1 - 4 away

Cats 6 - 1 at home, 10 - 1 - 7 away

Tigers 12 - 2 at home, 6 - 5 away

GWS 10 - 1 - 1 at home and Manuka Oval, 5 - 1 - 7 away

They all won shitloads more at home this year it makes a huge difference it’s obvious

Do you even read the posts you respond to?

I didn't say it doesn't make a difference. I was responding to a conversation about winning finals away from home. They said it was very very hard and I refuted that with a plethora of examples.

 

[bh90210fan]

Do you even read the posts you respond to?

I didn't say it doesn't make a difference. I was responding to a conversation about winning finals away from home. They said it was very very hard and I refuted that with a plethora of examples.

And I refuted you with a plethora of examples. You make it sound as though it doesn’t make a difference and it does. Bigtime

 

[blue harvest]

And I refuted you with a plethora of examples. You make it sound as though it doesn’t make a difference and it does. Bigtime

?????
Go back and read the posts. Seriously.

I was responding to someone saying it is very very hard to win finals away from home with a plethora of very recent examples that it's not very very hard.

 

[bh90210fan]

?????
Go back and read the posts. Seriously.

I was responding to someone saying it is very very hard to win finals away from home with a plethora of very recent examples that it's not very very hard.

I think you only say that because the grand final is played on your home ground

The table i showed from this year says it is a hell of a lot harder to win on the road. The odds always swing in your favour at home. Even if you only have to travel from the mcg to Etihad

 

[Altum Volantes]

Let’s be honest here...both Adelaide and Sydney have been warm favourites the last 2 years and bottled it on the day to lesser sides. That’s happened plenty of times in history though, so it’s nothing new.

Hawthorn over Sydney in 2014 was also an upset but considering they were reigning premiers, hardly stunning (the margin perhaps).

2007, 2013 and 2015 all losing sides were outsiders and the results were not surprising.

So basically, it’s become ‘a thing’ in the last 2 years...

 

[demondavey]

Correct, but it is the only time WC have beaten a Melbourne based side in a final at the MCG. Ever!

They've also beaten Non Victorian sides outside of Victoria and away from Perth. I.e 05, 06, 17.

 

[demondavey]

Let’s be honest here...both Adelaide and Sydney have been warm favourites the last 2 years and bottled it on the day to lesser sides. That’s happened plenty of times in history though, so it’s nothing new.

Hawthorn over Sydney in 2014 was also an upset but considering they were reigning premiers, hardly stunning (the margin perhaps).

2007, 2013 and 2015 all losing sides were outsiders and the results were not surprising.

So basically, it’s become ‘a thing’ in the last 2 years...

There were no issues when Brisbane won three in a row either.

 

[wal]

They've also beaten Non Victorian sides outside of Victoria and away from Perth. I.e 05, 06, 17.

And the relevance to this thread is?